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Hey...any of you two-channel dudes have any reservations about NOT running graphic EQ's in your systems?

They may be old-fashioned, but I really miss having those sliding levers and flashing lights of an EQ while also being able to sculpt the sound the way I want; most modern hi-fi kit doesn't seem to come equipped to handle outboard equalizers (my Onkyo stereo receiver has no tape loop hookup for one) and I'm wondering if any of you two-channel aficionados miss this or mind it...

Are you happy with just plain tone controls, or are you running your stereo setups with the tone bypassed?
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Very nice setup, @postrokfan .

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Hey...any of you two-channel dudes have any reservations about NOT running graphic EQ's in your systems?

They may be old-fashioned, but I really miss having those sliding levers and flashing lights of an EQ while also being able to sculpt the sound the way I want; most modern hi-fi kit doesn't seem to come equipped to handle outboard equalizers (my Onkyo stereo receiver has no tape loop hookup for one) and I'm wondering if any of you two-channel aficionados miss this or mind it...

Are you happy with just plain tone controls, or are you running your stereo setups with the tone bypassed?
I don't have any tone controls on my preamp and don't miss them at all. It's kinda nice just to sit back and listen to the music as it was intended to be presented.
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Very nice, sir. Good to see the system that's playing all those tasty tunes.
Thanks! It has evolved over the last few years but this is where I've landed for now.

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Very nice setup, @postrokfan .

Kudos!!
Thank you sir.
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Hey...any of you two-channel dudes have any reservations about NOT running graphic EQ's in your systems?

They may be old-fashioned, but I really miss having those sliding levers and flashing lights of an EQ while also being able to sculpt the sound the way I want; most modern hi-fi kit doesn't seem to come equipped to handle outboard equalizers (my Onkyo stereo receiver has no tape loop hookup for one) and I'm wondering if any of you two-channel aficionados miss this or mind it...

Are you happy with just plain tone controls, or are you running your stereo setups with the tone bypassed?
Tone controls on my Nakamichi are [Off]. I'm happy with what I hear
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Hey...any of you two-channel dudes have any reservations about NOT running graphic EQ's in your systems?

They may be old-fashioned, but I really miss having those sliding levers and flashing lights of an EQ while also being able to sculpt the sound the way I want; most modern hi-fi kit doesn't seem to come equipped to handle outboard equalizers (my Onkyo stereo receiver has no tape loop hookup for one) and I'm wondering if any of you two-channel aficionados miss this or mind it...

Are you happy with just plain tone controls, or are you running your stereo setups with the tone bypassed?
My Parasound P/LD-1100, designed by John Curl, has no tone controls. Better.
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Hey...any of you two-channel dudes have any reservations about NOT running graphic EQ's in your systems?

They may be old-fashioned, but I really miss having those sliding levers and flashing lights of an EQ while also being able to sculpt the sound the way I want; most modern hi-fi kit doesn't seem to come equipped to handle outboard equalizers (my Onkyo stereo receiver has no tape loop hookup for one) and I'm wondering if any of you two-channel aficionados miss this or mind it...

Are you happy with just plain tone controls, or are you running your stereo setups with the tone bypassed?
Don't touch the tone controls on my main system but if you are running iTunes as you digital media source they have a built in equalizer for you to fiddle with.

I use that on my secondary system as my old Optimus LX5's don't exactly have a flat frequency response.
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Don't touch the tone controls on my main system but if you are running iTunes as you digital media source they have a built in equalizer for you to fiddle with.

I use that on my secondary system as my old Optimus LX5's don't exactly have a flat frequency response.
My ADS 1290Ls seemed to be pretty good at the time. From a Julian Hirsch ADS 1290L review in 1984, http://www.sportsbil.com/ads/l-1290-review.pdf ,"...the widest and flattest response we can recall measuring from a speaker with our current test procedures."

Speakers were specified +/- 3dB from 40 to 27,000 Hz. I like how they sound but I know some folks did not. Simpler times, we bought our gear, made the connections, fired it up and enjoyed the music. Never thought about room responses...
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Your ADS look remarkably similar to the Onix in maple I recently bought, dimensions are close, too. The only review I could find on the Onix:

http://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/onix-reference-3-speakers-11-2004.html
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Well, it seems the consensus, in terms of using EQ, is that it's better with no such controls...

Thanks for your input on that, fellas, and keep the comments coming if you think of anything else.

I, for one, miss the graphic EQ in my system's loop; don't know if it's nostalgia or something else, but I do miss it -- that being said, I HAVE learned to appreciate the sound of the setup with tone controls neutralized (in their "12:00" positions) as I have gotten older...
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Well, it seems the consensus, in terms of using EQ, is that it's better with no such controls...

Thanks for your input on that, fellas, and keep the comments coming if you think of anything else.

I, for one, miss the graphic EQ in my system's loop; don't know if it's nostalgia or something else, but I do miss it -- that being said, I HAVE learned to appreciate the sound of the setup with tone controls neutralized (in their "12:00" positions) as I have gotten older...
Hi IntelliVolume,

As an old technician/engineer I must admit I have a certain fascination with the bouncing bars even if I'm not using an equalizer The receiver in my CIVIC allows a bouncing bar background display option.

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Hi IntelliVolume,

As an old technician/engineer I must admit I have a certain fascination with the bouncing bars even if I'm not using an equalizer The receiver in my CIVIC allows a bouncing bar background display option.
Very cool...

I wish my Camry's JBL system allowed for such a display...
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LOL I had a plain jane Audiocontrol (C-22?) way back when and lusted after those moving light style eqs but never had one. I still have from those days, and will still use in a 2ch setup, a DBX 1BX, but the equalizer died long ago and am content with the various tone controls that my pre-amps I have offer. Just don't use the 2ch gear much, easier to sit in my living room and use the full setup and configure speakers as I wish at the moment with some more "tone control" as provided by the avr and use of subs.
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Very cool...

I wish my Camry's JBL system allowed for such a display...
Yeah, one of things I discovered after buying it Also I found I could set the LCD display screen to a color coordinating with my interior, which being grey, I choose the black option, shades of grey and black. I'd been seeing it in blue for some time before I came across that option
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Your ADS look remarkably similar to the Onix in maple I recently bought, dimensions are close, too. The only review I could find on the Onix:

http://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/onix-reference-3-speakers-11-2004.html
Great looking speakers!

Mine are in black, unfortunately the left side has a small ding from the '89 earthquake Don't remember what fell on it.

Sounded like a freight train was coming through the house

Took some time to get comfortable whenever traffic came to a stop under our concrete overpasses (Am I about to get squashed like the folks in Oakland...)

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Hey...any of you two-channel dudes have any reservations about NOT running graphic EQ's in your systems?

They may be old-fashioned, but I really miss having those sliding levers and flashing lights of an EQ while also being able to sculpt the sound the way I want; most modern hi-fi kit doesn't seem to come equipped to handle outboard equalizers (my Onkyo stereo receiver has no tape loop hookup for one) and I'm wondering if any of you two-channel aficionados miss this or mind it...

Are you happy with just plain tone controls, or are you running your stereo setups with the tone bypassed?

Back in the 80's, when I still had a turntable and tape deck, I used a graphic equalizer for a short time. I liked the fact I could custom tailor the sound to my preference but soon lost the interest in doing this. My reasoning was simple. This was not how the artists intended their music to be heard. From that point on I have been one to prefer as natural of sound as I can get for what little money I have to throw into this hobby/addiction. I don't think there is anything wrong with using an EQ but it's not for me.
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My ADS 1290Ls seemed to be pretty good at the time. From a Julian Hirsch ADS 1290L review in 1984, http://www.sportsbil.com/ads/l-1290-review.pdf ,"...the widest and flattest response we can recall measuring from a speaker with our current test procedures."

Speakers were specified +/- 3dB from 40 to 27,000 Hz. I like how they sound but I know some folks did not. Simpler times, we bought our gear, made the connections, fired it up and enjoyed the music. Never thought about room responses...
I had some ADS L990 speakers back in college. The first serious speakers I purchased on the road to a rewarding (and expensive) hobby!
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LOL I had a plain jane Audiocontrol (C-22?) way back when and lusted after those moving light style eqs but never had one. I still have from those days, and will still use in a 2ch setup, a DBX 1BX, but the equalizer died long ago and am content with the various tone controls that my pre-amps I have offer. Just don't use the 2ch gear much, easier to sit in my living room and use the full setup and configure speakers as I wish at the moment with some more "tone control" as provided by the avr and use of subs.
I hear ya; in our current home, I had the advantage of using a separate upstairs loft area to dedicate as a separate music-only two-channel space, apart from my downstairs 5.1-channel setup, but I do miss the EQ in the stereo system. Funny, I don't utilize Audyssey/room correction EQ in my 5.1-channel setup...
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Back in the 80's, when I still had a turntable and tape deck, I used a graphic equalizer for a short time. I liked the fact I could custom tailor the sound to my preference but soon lost the interest in doing this. My reasoning was simple. This was not how the artists intended their music to be heard. From that point on I have been one to prefer as natural of sound as I can get for what little money I have to throw into this hobby/addiction. I don't think there is anything wrong with using an EQ but it's not for me.
Thanks for your input and thoughts, Paco...

It's weird; I totally know what you mean by "listening to the music as the artists intended," as I alluded to in an earlier post, but we gotta remember: The "artist's intentions" are not really "thrown at us" just because we have no tone controls or our tone controls are neutralized; there's so much that can color what comes down the analog or digital pipes: Room design, room décor, cables, electronics...

That being said, there's something I miss with regard to the way the "smiley face" curve on an EQ used to "pump" the music up -- on an older system I had, years ago, I used a Kenwood integrated amp and then a Yamaha stereo receiver, both hooked into a Pioneer graphic EQ, and I couldn't live with the EQ disengaged from the circuit. I felt everything sounded way too "flat" and "boring" -- an audiophile-esque friend of mine could never understand why I wanted to put this "cheap EQ" into the chain to "stain the signal," but it took years for me to understand what this "coloring the signal" was all about. Now, I have come to appreciate running everything through my current Onkyo stereo receiver with tone controls (bass and treble) neutralized (no boost, no cut) but I STILL long for the days of that EQ experience somehow...I wish my receiver offered a loudness contour, as Yamaha still does on their models, as this would have satisfied my desire for a "boosted soundstage at low volumes" experience, but alas it doesn't.

I suppose there's something to say about the fact that more hi-fi-oriented pieces don't offer loudness controls or hookups for external equalizers, no?
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I hate to admit to ever using these EQ shenanigans, but back in my Marantz 2270 days decades ago I used something called the 'loudness' control to add a bass bump when listening at very low levels.

Oh yeah, then a SAE parametric equalizer in the 70s for a short while until I figured out that it was the cause of some strange phase shift antics going on. After that, never again.

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I hate to admit to ever using these EQ shenanigans, but back in my Marantz 2270 days decades ago I used something called the 'loudness' control to add a bass bump when listening at very low levels.

Oh yeah, then a SAE parametric equalizer in the 70s for a short while until I figured out that it was the cause of some strange phase shift antics going on. After that, never again.

One of these gizmos

http://www.audioscope.net/images/acc_sae_2800.jpg
LOL...the loudness contour/feature is exactly what I'm referring to...
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..'Am I about to get squashed like the folks in Oakland...)
Thanks, they fill a large area with music and look good in the room considering they're a rectangle.

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For me, I still use the EQ because it has allowed me to position my speakers where I prefer them to be...
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My main speakers and sub; my amp is nothing remarkable, a Denon AVR1912 which though modest is a better AVR in every way than the 5.1 NAD AVR that preceded it, (and died).

Rears shown also; ancient B&W DM100i's which actually work great with the Usher front 3.

Sub is Velodyne DD15.

Thankfully my room is small and has so many constraints, (including a wood stove next to the right speaker that we use in winter), that I pretty much can't get anything massive/expensive!

Sound is great.

Yeah, I have dusted since these pictures were taken, promise!

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Updated setup with Fvx15 . The things a beast. Location isn't finalized yet. Waiting for a longer cable to do some more rew measurements.

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