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Budget Phono Preamp To Pair With Ortofon 2M Red

I recently got back into vinyl by purchasing a Pro-Ject Carbon DC with the Ortofon 2M Red cartridge. I'm enjoying the whole experience and am looking for my 1st upgrade, a phono preamp, to replace the Behringer PP400 I currently have. My budget is $250 max but under $150 would be great. I want to make sure that any preamp I get will pair well with the 2M Red cartridge. So far my list includes:

Schiit Mani
Cambridge Azur 551P
Emotiva XPS-1

What others should I be looking at given my budget and current setup?
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The 3 on your list are all highly regarded so I doubt if you'd be disappointed with them. Another oft mentioned budget pre is the ART DJ.
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The 3 on your list are all highly regarded so I doubt if you'd be disappointed with them. Another oft mentioned budget pre is the ART DJ.
Thanks, I'l check that one out. I also came across the Graham Slee Communicator. It seems like a pretty good option. I also found the Phonopreamp TCC TC-750 which seems to get good reviews. Any feedback on those
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You may want to take a look at the Hagerman's Bugle 2.
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I've tried the TCC 750, Little Bear, and the Schiit Mani.

After comparing the three, I'm sticking with the Mani. Add to that the Mani's different gain options and it's a winner .

With that being said, I've heard excellent reviews of the Bugle, although it is double the price of the other three.

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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I've done some more research and based on the cartridge I have (Ortofon 2M Red) I think I've narrowed it down to these possibilities. All of these seem to have the correct load capacitance range of the 150-300pF to match up with the 2M Red cartridge:

Both of these are well within my budget
- ART DJPRE II $50
- Phonopreamp TCC TC-750 with upgraded power supply $59

And an option that is over my budget but looks like a great preamp
- Graham Slee Communicator $280

I am also very interested in the Schiit Mani ($129) but I don't see a capacitance spec for it. If it is in the 150-300pF range it will probably get my money. Any idea on the capacitance?
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Not sure of the capacitance on the Mani but , you can always email Laura at Schiit for an answer.

She was a pleasure to deal with and answered every question I asked.

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I personally have the Debut Carbon DC Esprit SB w/ ortofon 2m red as well, and I'm using the cambridge audio azur 651p which I think is great. Beautiful warm sound. $219 on amazon, iirc.
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Not sure of the capacitance on the Mani but , you can always email Laura at Schiit for an answer.

She was a pleasure to deal with and answered every question I asked.

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I did email Schiit and got a quick answer from Nick. The Mani is 100pF so to be "optimal" I'd have to add additional load to it to get it to the 150-300pF range. I guess I'm wondering what the negative effects/consequences would be if my preamp didn't match the suggested input capacitance?
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I did email Schiit and got a quick answer from Nick. The Mani is 100pF so to be "optimal" I'd have to add additional load to it to get it to the 150-300pF range. I guess I'm wondering what the negative effects/consequences would be if my preamp didn't match the suggested input capacitance?
Don't forget that your tonearm wires and interconnect are going to add 80 to 120pf or so.

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Don't forget that your tonearm wires and interconnect are going to add 80 to 120pf or so.
I did forget about that. Or I should say that I never even considered that This is all new to me so that never even crossed my mind. Now that you mention it the interconnect from the turntable to the preamp is about 3 feet long. I wonder what that adds? Can I easily measure the load with a basic multimeter? I think I have one of those hiding in my toolbox.
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I thin you can find a decent price on a Vincent PHO 8. Nice separate power supply and I really enjoy it with my vinyl.
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- ART DJPRE II $50
Picked one up at Xmas time to start listening to some old vinyl again. Excellent unit, especially for the price.

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Picked one up at Xmas time to start listening to some old vinyl again. Excellent unit, especially for the price.
Yeah, it seems like a great low-cost option. What turntable/cartridge are you using with the ART DJPREII
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Yeah, it seems like a great low-cost option. What turntable/cartridge are you using with the ART DJPREII
Technics SL-BD25/ P23 cart.

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Have you gone out and looked at audiogon? Do you want a new one? Sometimes there incredibly good deals on legit high end equipment on audiogon. All the ones mentioned are good, but possibly for the same amount of money spent, you might end up with preamp far superior to your current analog set up. In general I prefer buying equipment that I will grow into instead of out grow.
But I'm also kinda cheap too.

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