Originally Posted by tritiumglo
Looks like it just missed the mark. I see no pre outs. Only 1 sub out at a fixed 100hz.
Yamaha should take notes from Parasound on the P5 and the new Halo integrated.
The new Yamaha is a jack of no trades. A couple tweaks and it could have been really nice.
The Parasound is cheap at $2000 (P5/A23), but the Yamaha 801 is cheaper at $1000. Everything cost money.
Keep in mind we've gone about 100 years without bass management in stereo systems and have gotten along just fine.
This is what happens when you let a Surround Sound guy review a stereo amp. He doesn't get it.
It seems to me the Yamaha 801 is a near perfect amp for $1000. No it doesn't have the bells and whistles of a AVR, but those bells and whistles cost money. A $1000 AVR is not the equivalent of a $1000 Stereo amp.
I do agree that it would be nice to have Stereo Pre-Amp outputs
, but the more you add - the more it costs. Likely they are trying to hit a price point as part of the design. Yamaha already gives you high value for your money, but they can only stretch that just so far.
I think it came down to a choice between traditional Stereo Pre-Amp outputs
and a Sub output
, in today's market I can see why they made the decision they did. Though for me personally, not being interested in a Subwoofer, I would rather have the Stereo Pre-Amp out. I have an older Yamaha Stereo Receiver that has the Jumpers between the Pre-Amp and Power Amp. I thought that was a good way of doing it.
But again, they made a marketing decision to hit a price point. In the modern world of amps and speakers, would you rather have a Sub Out or a Pre-Amp out, because in an amp of this quality at this price, I really don't think you can get both.
As to full electronic bass management, at the moment, I can only think of one Stereo amp that has this feature, and that is the Parasound. I have seen external Front/Sub crossovers
, but they cost $2000 on their own. Seems a bit off to put a $2000 crossover on a $1000 amp.
True you can use PA Crossovers for Front/Sub management, but unless you are going to go to the higher end Digital Speaker Management systems
, you have going to have a limited choice of slopes on the crossover. Most PA Crossovers have very steep slope in the 18db/octave and 24db/octave range.
I think the Digital Speaker Management Systems
have adjustable slopes, but they convert the analog to digital, then implement the crossovers in the digital domain, then convert back to analog on the output. I've not priced them lately, but these higher and Digital Speaker Management Systems run in the range of $500 to $1000 (from memory).
And... and... they would have to be placed between the Pre-Amp and the Power Amp, which leaves out the Yamaha and about 90% of all the other amps on the market.
You have to take the amp for what it is and for what it is intended to be, not some fantasy of what you would like it to be. Yes, I wish my Ford performed like a Ferrari, but it then my Ford cost $20,000, and a Ferrari cost $200,000. Why would one even remotely expect one to perform like the other?
You can get all the features you want in this amp ...if ....if you are willing to pay $2000 to get it.
But $2000 does not make a $1000 amp, which is what they set out to do, and what they succeeded at.