Originally Posted by pablolie
actually i can cite lots of measurements by which a BMW or a Lambo are infinitely inferior to a Prius as a rational driving choice. You can and should do better, this was a losing premise you took. Gas mileage. Insurance. Maintenance cost. Ability to use commute lanes during peak traffic while the BMW and the Lambo are stuck in it. Interior noise. Crash safety (you don't want to rear end a truck in a Lambo unless you're REALLY into self-decapitation). Curb clearance. Emissions. You -like many car buyers- focus on the irrational 0-60 stuff and the fact the car may be able to lap 20 secs faster around Laguna Seca in the hands of an expert driver (which the vast majority of owners are light years from being, most of them can't even use their blinkers properly).
no - cars are EXACTLY the same as the audio industry. they are sold on EXACTLY the same overblown marketing hype of superior performance that is unattainable and irrelevant for 90% of their buyers. sorry.
the fact YOU have more fun and get more ownership pride because of your particular choice has -in the real world- little to do with measurements, and a lot with PERCEIVED VALUE. and hey, i do too. heaven save us from a world where we are forced to drive Priuses (owners: i commend you for the rational choice and the commitment to the environment, but electric cars and hybrids will never be my particular choice until they are mandated by law, and then i shall still have my protected classic, ha).
and yes, there's a lot of heckling a posteriori that happens all the time. i saw in the Theta forum. and in some thread someone felt compelled -out of nowhere, and obviously to tell me i had wasted $2k- to point out my Benchmark DAC didn't fare any better in blind tests than cheaper DACs, utterly unaware of the fact the reason i got it was for flexibility, convenience and adaptability, not because i thought or cared i could hear a huge sonic difference.
I don't think the hostility being interjected here is necessary.
The fact is, your comparison is fundamentally flawed because it does not make apt comparisons and also discussed in absolutes with no regard to degree. Generally, I find audio enthusiasts to be on a whole, much less educated and much more gullible than enthusiasts in other hobbies. These people become particularly invested once they've committed their pride to one side or has already spent a lot of money on certain products.
Your car comparison, for example, is rather inaccurate. Saying that a Prius has advantages in some aspects does not have any relevance to the discussion. Those advantages are not the ones being advertised by Lamborghini. You know right from the get go, you are paying for a super engine, a status symbol, custom Italian finishes, etc. It is very clear what you are paying for.
On the other hand, the audio industry consciously focuses on ignorance of its consumers and the subjective influence of psychoacoustics. They advertise that you are paying for performance advantages when they don't exist at all.
There is no problem with people buying premium DACs and AMPs but it's a more-than-ordinary type of malicious deception on te industries part.
The other hole with your idea is that you pretend poor practices in other industries aren't criticized. All such things should be properly scrutinized in all industries, otherwise the industry will sell is junk at a premium like what happens excessively in audio.
I have no problem with companies selling $10,000 cables as long as they advertise it as just being more luxurious, like a watch with 3 internal diamonds no one will see. However, we all know that these companies stay afloat only because people believe in the non-existent performance advantages.
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