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LFEer 01-10-2016 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pablolie (Post 40502050)
With amps... nah. You gotta spend at least a grand, sorry.

Which level matched DBT showed this to be the case? I would like to check it out. Thanks in advance.

pablolie 01-10-2016 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DS-21 (Post 40511810)
pathetic .. reading competently .. spouting off ignorantly... idiocies ...

Insults, the rhetoric tool of the feeble-minded, and if this is how you enjoy spending your Sundays it says a lot about you. Have a wonderful day.

lovinthehd 01-10-2016 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex F. (Post 40500634)
You continue to ridicule, call me a liar, and expect me to feel better for it? I am sure others you come in contact with wish they could be as superior as you are.

You suggest maybe the Sony player is faulty hence it not performng quite as well as the Samsung? Did you not read that I have two Sony 6500 players and they sound identical? Nor is any part of my theater-room system not performing as it should.

I mentioned other audible differences, not simply the location of the cymbals. There were further differences as well that I did not talk about, such as the Samsung's more natural bite with the brass instruments (the Sony is overly mellow). Also, Ronstadt's voice is rendered with more detail via the Samsung, along with her voice sounding closer to the microphone. In general, the Sony lacks some inner detail as one goes up the audio band. The Sony, though, may be ideal for use in an audio system that tends to be bright.

What audio system are you using that doesn't let you differentiate between disc players? What transports have you compared on it?

Good grief why would I want to expand on your informal comparison results? If you want to spend your time doing such meaningless comparisons, that's your gig.

pablolie 01-10-2016 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LFEer (Post 40516546)
Which level matched DBT showed this to be the case? I would like to check it out. Thanks in advance.

You know the burden of proof applies to *both* our arguments, since even though you state your *opinion* with a lot of conviction (and repetitiveness) it's doesn't make it a truth that puts any burden of proof on me. Let's agree to disagree.

Alex F. 01-10-2016 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Serenity_now (Post 40503226)
Do you have both players set to bitsream their audio output? Or are the players doing the processing?

Is it possible there is a setting difference in one player vs the other that can cause your perceived difference? It sounds like dsp mode alteration to me.

All players set for bitstream output only. Yamaha AVR set to Pure Direct (i.e., no DSP processing, no crossover filters engaged, etc.).

DS-21 01-10-2016 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pablolie (Post 40516570)
Insults, the rhetoric tool of the feeble-minded, and if this is how you enjoy spending your Sundays it says a lot about you. Have a wonderful day.

The irony of your reply is another reading comp issue: your quote only captured one insult ("pathetic") in four attempts. Two of the others were premises proven by the text you omitted, and the fourth ("idiocies") is pretty much the most respectful possible way to address any claimed equivalency between sonic differences in loudspeakers and sonic differences in amps.

Ironically, one is the same number of insults you projected onto me in your reply. You should be careful with projection, especially when there is a written record to reveal how transparent said projection is.

But onto the substance, which you ignored. I repeat:

Please point out a figure in a Stereophile article that is (to use your words) "the same type of measurements" as a Powercube.

Or retract your statement, "Stereophile publishes the same type of measurements."

Alex F. 01-10-2016 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LFEer (Post 40516410)
Sony and Samsung are not those esoteric companies making digital players with "colored" sound.
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsim...arena_a002.png
http://cdn.stereophile.com/images/ar...t/Scdfig13.jpg
The difference you heard was most likely due to volume difference.

How does anyone take you seriously with this post? You use the frequency response graph of a Samsung telephone as an example of how a Samsung Blu-ray player performs? Then you use an FR measurement of a Sony SACD player that costs $5,000 to demonstrate the performance of a $99 Sony Blu-ray player?

What audio system are you utilizing to compare Blu-ray players? Which specific player models have you compared using what music recording?

Mike Lang 01-10-2016 03:07 PM

Drop it guys. Don't get thrown out over this...

clpetersen 01-10-2016 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DS-21 (Post 40509602)
Don't sell ATI short. Their internal build quality equals or exceeds anyone else's. A McIntosh has more emphasis on striking appearance (to me, a Bryston isn't better looking, just different), but is an equal or lesser amp.

Technically, IMO the ATI 4000/6000 is the finest AB amp currently available. The 2000/3000 (and rebadges for Lexicon, Mark Levinson, Outlaw, etc) is, in terms of measured performance, maybe a quarter-step back.

Good post thanks. I agree, ATI makes a marvelous amp - why I bought one and put the savings into speakers. ATI's reliability is equal to anyone's and I agree, their 6000 series is state of the art for AB amps.

Though I do wish they would make a dedicated two-channel chassis for the 6000 series. It is a configurable beast.

(for what it is worth, the Audio Critic uses a multichannel ATI to power his own set-up).

polbit 01-10-2016 04:02 PM

There's a reason why Audiophile is seen as a derogatory term in a lot of circles, and this discussion is quite a proof of that... Stereophile magazine would be proud!

pablolie 01-10-2016 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by clpetersen (Post 40519010)
Good post thanks. I agree, ATI makes a marvelous amp - why I bought one and put the savings into speakers. ATI's reliability is equal to anyone's and I agree, their 6000 series is state of the art for AB amps.

Though I do wish they would make a dedicated two-channel chassis for the 6000 series. It is a configurable beast.

(for what it is worth, the Audio Critic uses a multichannel ATI to power his own set-up).

Yes they build good amps. Remind me of the average price point. :-)

Amp design is a well established art (outside of the not so recent Hypex designs). But several aspects about amp design aren't cheap. No matter where you build them (and the current economy in China bears the point where that represented a huge cost drop is over).

markrubin 01-11-2016 01:10 PM

Closed

OP has not logged on since October

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