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post #1 of 14 Old 03-02-2016, 05:49 PM - Thread Starter
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Thumbs down What the Hell!?!?!

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/li...&album=24%2F96

Some of the "Hi Resolution" downloads are even worse off dynamically than thier redbook counterparts . I feel like I've been screwed on some of these.

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Some of the "Hi Resolution" downloads are even worse off dynamically than thier redbook counterparts . I feel like I've been screwed on some of these.

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Thanks or the heads up. You know, Redbook is great, and there's a stable supply of it... About a year ago now, I placed and add on Kijiji stating, "will buy used CD's, will buy all CD's"

I literally received dozens of email replies over the course of a couple weeks. All said and done, I bough 702 CD's spent under 300.00 including gas. something to think about. My collection these days is nearing the 5000 mark. I have paid full retail for maybe a couple of hundred. I have ripped them as waves an placed them on an 8 TB server, cost of the server 269.00 on sale.

Unfortunately my LP stock is quite small. I am satisfied with the fidelity that I am able to feed my system from redbook cd's.

Just so you know, 50.00 will often buy 100 CD's on Kijiji. The ones you don't like take to a pawnshop. You will get between .25-1.0 for each disc, or they do trades.
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Exactly.

I had no idea that so many of these were so squashed and limited. I mean, I don't mind paying extra for HD, but this is paying extra for inferior, and then there's the whole not actually owning it thing. I'm pissed because I bought some of these tracks . I can't believe HDTracks is actually trying to pass this crap off.

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I was considering getting the new Anthrax in Hi - Rez.

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/104557

O well, No point now.

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i think that DR has nothing to do with the format (if its lossy or not),
it's bad sound mixing and engineering
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i think that DR has nothing to do with the format (if its lossy or not),
it's bad sound mixing and engineering

No, I understand that. My complaint is with the companies that peddle this junk as superior to CD quality, when in fact it just flat out isn't.

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Don't forget the wonders of any "remastered" release.

For example, American Gramophone and Mannheim Steamroller used to be all about audio quality; not any more.

The first wave form is Toccata from the first CD release of Fresh Aire III from 1985.

The second is the "remastered" version from their "30/40" Greatest Hits CD from 2014.
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Don't forget the wonders of any "remastered" release.

For example, American Gramophone and Mannheim Steamroller used to be all about audio quality; not any more.

The first wave form is Toccata from the first CD release of Fresh Aire III from 1985.

The second is the "remastered" version from their "30/40" Greatest Hits CD from 2014.

Yep. Still, you can pick these "remasters" up for less than $10 new. The "Hi-Rez" versions are $18. This is criminal. You're paying more for basically the same thing. This is what's chapping my ass.

Check out the Led Zep catalog.

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/li...eppelin&album=

I can understand why so many folks are still digging vinyl.

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Don't forget the wonders of any "remastered" release.

For example, American Gramophone and Mannheim Steamroller used to be all about audio quality; not any more.

The first wave form is Toccata from the first CD release of Fresh Aire III from 1985.

The second is the "remastered" version from their "30/40" Greatest Hits CD from 2014.
It seems remastered = compressed to hell + smiley EQ curve. The first time I heard the Beatles' remastered stuff, I thought, "wow, you can really hear Ringo's work on the hi-hat clearly now." Closely followed by, "I don't think they originally wanted you to hear Ringo's work on the hi-hat so clearly."
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Some of the "Hi Resolution" downloads are even worse off dynamically than thier redbook counterparts . I feel like I've been screwed on some of these.

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Totally, it is so system dependent.
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Some of the "Hi Resolution" downloads are even worse off dynamically than thier redbook counterparts . I feel like I've been screwed on some of these.

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The entire concept of "high resolution" sound is snake oil. While it is important at the recording end of things, it does nothing at the playback end that red book won't do just as well. Fits right in with audiophile power cords and jitter reducers.


But, as mentioned above what you might really be comparing is different masters. Remasters aren't by definition improvements.
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On computeraudiophile.com they have a section on High-Res audio where the members will go through the extra effort to determine if the High Res downloads are just upconverted, or if they are indeed quality re-masters. There is a lot of crummy "High Res" audio out there, and some that is quite nice.
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The entire concept of "high resolution" sound is snake oil. While it is important at the recording end of things, it does nothing at the playback end that red book won't do just as well. Fits right in with audiophile power cords and jitter reducers.


But, as mentioned above what you might really be comparing is different masters. Remasters aren't by definition improvements.
I have to agree. Hi-Rez as it's being presented now is snake oil. I have to believe that we (in "we", I mean the industry) are placing limitations on the works that are taking us away from the 'being there' experience. Do you ever wonder why your 2 channel rig doesn't truly sound like a live performance?

Recording accuracy (including preservation of all the dynamics of the material), and the playback system are why.

We're capable of achieving this - we're simply choosing not to (once again the industry). By supporting the crap that the business side keeps feeding us we only perpetuate this nonsense. I think in order for the industry to self correct, they need to start doing things for quality's sake, not just to make a buck.

I know...fat chance.

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