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Went through a bunch of best produced and best imaging lists, listening to what I had on hand, thankfully quite a bit. Helped that I was alone in the house, so I was able to crank it at will. Mostly hi-res Flac ripped from vinyl>Squeezebox Touch>Anthem MRX 500>Salk Supercharged Soundtowers + Vandersteen sub





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Went through a bunch of best produced and best imaging lists, listening to what I had on hand, thankfully quite a bit. Helped that I was alone in the house, so I was able to crank it at will. Mostly hi-res Flac ripped from vinyl>Squeezebox Touch>Anthem MRX 500>Salk Supercharged Soundtowers + Vandersteen sub

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I use spotify, listen to songs if i like it i go buy the .flac from bandcamp.com Since flac sounds better than spotify & it's local media for my Denon NAP, then im happy..
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OK. The Bryston is hooked up in my cave.

Had to have a rethink as to how I was going to use it. Discovered that the zone 2 pre outs on the Yamaha do not give variable output, so it's either flat out or silence. Luckily, a few seconds of flat out did not damage my speakers. Those Martin Logans are built tough, it seems. Although I can vary the volume on the PC, I figured I value my hearing too much to entrust it to an errant mouse click. I'd rather have a hardware solution.

So the 7.2 and 2.0 systems are completely separate, using my Cambridge Audio DACMagic Plus as a preamp, being fed by an optical digital signal from my PC. I have never had need for balanced cables and don't possess any, so I've hooked the DACMagic and the Bryston together with an unbalanced cable I happened to have laying around.

First thing to note is that bad recordings sound terrible. I never realized just HOW terrible. Unfortunately, I have some recordings that I will not be hearing much of in future. That became apparent in very short order. But I'm certainly hearing detail I never heard before, such as a flautist drawing breath on Bolero (Reference Recordings RR-92CD). This has been one of my go-to albums for a while so to hear detail of which I had previously been unaware is quite impressive.

I played Rick Wakeman's "Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table" earlier. There is some deep bass on Merlin the Magician that I wanted to check out. The kick in the chest from the Martin Logan's 8" woofers, being properly driven, was pretty spectacular. Again, this is a recording I've been listening to for years; at least 25 of them. I was relieved to note that the recording is extremely good, with no noise that I could hear.

It appears that everything I've read is true. The ML electrostats DO benefit from decent amplification. At lower volumes, the sound seems fuller, and the urge to turn up the volume to crazy levels is diminished somewhat.

At some point, I'll switch out my electrostats and check out the Motion 40s and Motion 20s just for the hell of it.
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OK. The Bryston is hooked up in my cave.

Had to have a rethink as to how I was going to use it. Discovered that the zone 2 pre outs on the Yamaha do not give variable output, so it's either flat out or silence. Luckily, a few seconds of flat out did not damage my speakers. Those Martin Logans are built tough, it seems. Although I can vary the volume on the PC, I figured I value my hearing too much to entrust it to an errant mouse click. I'd rather have a hardware solution.

So the 7.2 and 2.0 systems are completely separate, using my Cambridge Audio DACMagic Plus as a preamp, being fed by an optical digital signal from my PC. I have never had need for balanced cables and don't possess any, so I've hooked the DACMagic and the Bryston together with an unbalanced cable I happened to have laying around.

First thing to note is that bad recordings sound terrible. I never realized just HOW terrible. Unfortunately, I have some recordings that I will not be hearing much of in future. That became apparent in very short order. But I'm certainly hearing detail I never heard before, such as a flautist drawing breath on Bolero (Reference Recordings RR-92CD). This has been one of my go-to albums for a while so to hear detail of which I had previously been unaware is quite impressive.

I played Rick Wakeman's "Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table" earlier. There is some deep bass on Merlin the Magician that I wanted to check out. The kick in the chest from the Martin Logan's 8" woofers, being properly driven, was pretty spectacular. Again, this is a recording I've been listening to for years; at least 25 of them. I was relieved to note that the recording is extremely good, with no noise that I could hear.

It appears that everything I've read is true. The ML electrostats DO benefit from decent amplification. At lower volumes, the sound seems fuller, and the urge to turn up the volume to crazy levels is diminished somewhat.

At some point, I'll switch out my electrostats and check out the Motion 40s and Motion 20s just for the hell of it.
what model of bryston ? Any pics ?
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Nice score, those are nice amps Gota love Class A/B Have you ever heard a class a amp yet ?

I think there are some mod's for the 4B amp to improve it..
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Nice score, those are nice amps Gota love Class A/B Have you ever heard a class a amp yet ?

I think there are some mod's for the 4B amp to improve it..
Yes. I was listening to a BC Acoustique a while back. I had intended to buy one, but this one came up by chance so I decided to grab it. Saved quite a bit of cash too.

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Well, today I visited the Crutchfield retail store in Charlottesville, VA. I always wanted to check it out. I never managed to because it is a 3 hour drive from home but today I was in Charlottesville for a doctor's appointment at the University of Virginia Medical Center and I thought I would stop by and see what all they had. I was shocked to see only four 2-channel units on display and those units were all hooked up to the same pair of Cambridge Audio SX-60 bookshelf speakers laying sideways on the floor under the table. They had a Onkyo TX-8160 Receiver, Marantz PM6005 Integrated Amplifier, Yamaha A-S501 Integrated Amplifier and a NAD C 316BEE. Even if I were interested in one of these units the demoing situation was abysmal. I left after less than 10 minutes in the store. It was a big letdown after looking forward to going for years.

So, in short, I had a bad day shopping for my next receiver and CD player upgrade.
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Well, today I visited the Crutchfield retail store in Charlottesville, VA. I always wanted to check it out. I never managed to because it is a 3 hour drive from home but today I was in Charlottesville for a doctor's appointment at the University of Virginia Medical Center and I thought I would stop by and see what all they had. I was shocked to see only four 2-channel units on display and those units were all hooked up to the same pair of Cambridge Audio SX-60 bookshelf speakers laying sideways on the floor under the table. They had a Onkyo TX-8160 Receiver, Marantz PM6005 Integrated Amplifier, Yamaha A-S501 Integrated Amplifier and a NAD C 316BEE. Even if I were interested in one of these units the demoing situation was abysmal. I left after less than 10 minutes in the store. It was a big letdown after looking forward to going for years.

So, in short, I had a bad day shopping for my next receiver and CD player upgrade.
Next time I'm in the local hifi store , I'll take some photographs. They'll make you feel better, I promise. Wall to wall 2 channel.

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Here's one to be going on with. The equipment in use was the BC Acoustique I just mentioned. 80 wpc Class A.

We were listening to Rush - Hemispheres on vinyl. Good times.

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Here's one to be going on with. The equipment in use was the BC Acoustique I just mentioned. 80 wpc Class A.

We were listening to Rush - Hemispheres on vinyl. Good times.


You have more 2-channel gear in that photo than Crutchfield's had in their entire retail store.

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Next time I'm in the local hifi store , I'll take some photographs. They'll make you feel better, I promise. Wall to wall 2 channel.

Please do, I would love to see what a good hi-fi store looks like.

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OK. The Bryston is hooked up in my cave.

Had to have a rethink as to how I was going to use it. Discovered that the zone 2 pre outs on the Yamaha do not give variable output, so it's either flat out or silence. Luckily, a few seconds of flat out did not damage my speakers. Those Martin Logans are built tough, it seems. Although I can vary the volume on the PC, I figured I value my hearing too much to entrust it to an errant mouse click. I'd rather have a hardware solution.

So the 7.2 and 2.0 systems are completely separate, using my Cambridge Audio DACMagic Plus as a preamp, being fed by an optical digital signal from my PC. I have never had need for balanced cables and don't possess any, so I've hooked the DACMagic and the Bryston together with an unbalanced cable I happened to have laying around.

First thing to note is that bad recordings sound terrible. I never realized just HOW terrible. Unfortunately, I have some recordings that I will not be hearing much of in future. That became apparent in very short order. But I'm certainly hearing detail I never heard before, such as a flautist drawing breath on Bolero (Reference Recordings RR-92CD). This has been one of my go-to albums for a while so to hear detail of which I had previously been unaware is quite impressive.

I played Rick Wakeman's "Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table" earlier. There is some deep bass on Merlin the Magician that I wanted to check out. The kick in the chest from the Martin Logan's 8" woofers, being properly driven, was pretty spectacular. Again, this is a recording I've been listening to for years; at least 25 of them. I was relieved to note that the recording is extremely good, with no noise that I could hear.

It appears that everything I've read is true. The ML electrostats DO benefit from decent amplification. At lower volumes, the sound seems fuller, and the urge to turn up the volume to crazy levels is diminished somewhat.

At some point, I'll switch out my electrostats and check out the Motion 40s and Motion 20s just for the hell of it.

"First thing to note is that bad recordings sound terrible. I never realized just HOW terrible"

Boi you got that right. The MLs allow you to hear so far into a recording that if sumthin ain't right, you know it. Some recording are just unlistenable.

"The ML electrostats DO benefit from decent amplification. At lower volumes, the sound seems fuller"

I think that is the mark of a really good system is when you can listen at low levels and really enjoy it.

Component to component or even to an extent, cable to cable, etc., differences that aren't even noticeable with the Elacs really smacks you in the head with the MLs.

Unfortunately, that always tells me that there's more there if only I'd spend a few more $$$$

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OK. The Bryston is hooked up in my cave.

Had to have a rethink as to how I was going to use it. Discovered that the zone 2 pre outs on the Yamaha do not give variable output, so it's either flat out or silence. Luckily, a few seconds of flat out did not damage my speakers. Those Martin Logans are built tough, it seems. Although I can vary the volume on the PC, I figured I value my hearing too much to entrust it to an errant mouse click. I'd rather have a hardware solution.

So the 7.2 and 2.0 systems are completely separate, using my Cambridge Audio DACMagic Plus as a preamp, being fed by an optical digital signal from my PC. I have never had need for balanced cables and don't possess any, so I've hooked the DACMagic and the Bryston together with an unbalanced cable I happened to have laying around.

First thing to note is that bad recordings sound terrible. I never realized just HOW terrible. Unfortunately, I have some recordings that I will not be hearing much of in future. That became apparent in very short order. But I'm certainly hearing detail I never heard before, such as a flautist drawing breath on Bolero (Reference Recordings RR-92CD). This has been one of my go-to albums for a while so to hear detail of which I had previously been unaware is quite impressive.

I played Rick Wakeman's "Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table" earlier. There is some deep bass on Merlin the Magician that I wanted to check out. The kick in the chest from the Martin Logan's 8" woofers, being properly driven, was pretty spectacular. Again, this is a recording I've been listening to for years; at least 25 of them. I was relieved to note that the recording is extremely good, with no noise that I could hear.

It appears that everything I've read is true. The ML electrostats DO benefit from decent amplification. At lower volumes, the sound seems fuller, and the urge to turn up the volume to crazy levels is diminished somewhat.

At some point, I'll switch out my electrostats and check out the Motion 40s and Motion 20s just for the hell of it.
Congratulations! If you were closer I'd let you try out a Clarus Crimson HC power cord on that bad boy to really wake it up. I used it on my Mark Levinson 23.5 and the bass it put out was tight, fast and deep.
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Here's one to be going on with. The equipment in use was the BC Acoustique I just mentioned. 80 wpc Class A.

We were listening to Rush - Hemispheres on vinyl. Good times.
are you sure it was Class A ? I don't see no big power amp anywhere in that picture.. and 80WPC class a would be a big beast..
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Congratulations! If you were closer I'd let you try out a Clarus Crimson HC power cord on that bad boy to really wake it up. I used it on my Mark Levinson 23.5 and the bass it put out was tight, fast and deep.

Embarrassed I admit, but do have a fancy pants power cord on my amp.
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are you sure it was Class A ? I don't see no big power amp anywhere in that picture.. and 80WPC class a would be a big beast..
It's top center in the picture. According to the specs, they were able to put it in a 60 lb chasis. Pretty feature-rich, too.
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Embarrassed I admit, but do have a fancy pants power cord on my amp.
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It's top center in the picture. According to the specs, they were able to put it in a 60 lb chasis. Pretty feature-rich, too.
Yes. Pretty impressive. The owner of the store loves it.

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I do !!!!!!!!!!


I haven't swapped it out with a regular one since the first couple of weeks I was here. At that time the new room was such a distraction that I didn't know what I was hearing. Now that I'm accustomed to the room I ought to try it again.
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Found that my cables were restricting my equipment placement, so I bought a pair of XLR cables, which at 20' should give me a few options.

Not strictly a two channel thing, but I found Rush's R40 Live and figured that it had to join my collection. 2 BluRays and 3 CDs for $35. Can't be bad. I'll be digging into that shortly.

Other than that, I've been playing with my Cambridge Audio/Bryston/Martin Logan setup, throwing as much at it as I can. Sound is awesome. I'm hearing detail I never knew was there. Somehow, the soundstage presented by the Theos has lifted. It seemed to me that the sound was coming from too close to the floor, and was probably at least part of the reason I felt something was missing. Now, the sound is coming at me from a more realistic height. Bass has tightened considerably, and is a lot less directional than it was when power was being supplied by the Yamaha.

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Found that my cables were restricting my equipment placement, so I bought a pair of XLR cables, which at 20' should give me a few options.

Not strictly a two channel thing, but I found Rush's R40 Live and figured that it had to join my collection. 2 BluRays and 3 CDs for $35. Can't be bad. I'll be digging into that shortly.

Other than that, I've been playing with my Cambridge Audio/Bryston/Martin Logan setup, throwing as much at it as I can. Sound is awesome. I'm hearing detail I never knew was there. Somehow, the soundstage presented by the Theos has lifted. It seemed to me that the sound was coming from too close to the floor, and was probably at least part of the reason I felt something was missing. Now, the sound is coming at me from a more realistic height. Bass has tightened considerably, and is a lot less directional than it was when power was being supplied by the Yamaha.


You also tilted them back if I recall correctly? And now you get an accurate height perspective. Piano pedals from near the floor. Piano soundboard from about 3' high. Trumpet from up high. Baritone or bass sax from down low. Vocalist higher than the guitar they're playing, etc.


There's SO much more to this than just flat frequency response. That's a small part of the game. Getting the realism is the tough part.
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If you guys don't have it, get the Nils Lofgren, Acoustic Live. CD is great, the vinyl is even better. Man, talk about realism !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chad has reissued this on 200g vinyl. It's simply great!
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Good stuff though. I come to snoop and learn. Today we held paper towels in front the MA bronze 2 port to see how far we could move it away and still get it to move. 20" was the farthest with my 22w x2 amp.
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searched around the internet for a decent deal on an 10-20 yo audio research preamp. Finally found a unit that was perfect for my needs and budget (ls16), only to find out it had just been sold .

So the search continues for an ARC pre with tubes, remote, and balanced inputs for around 1500$. I had an ARC ls 7 in college which I sold about a decade ago and I am feeling nostalgic for some toggle switches and handles!
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I picked up a couple of CD's to add to my collection today. I also have a line on a couple of old Wharfedale speakers I'm hoping will be in great shape. I'm hoping to go check them out over the next day or so. (Fingers Crossed)
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Listening to Enya - Watermark

Vinyl rip to FLAC.

Being perusing CanuckAudioMart for some preamp ideas. Looks like a very handy source for such items.

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Home at last.

Listening to Enya - Watermark

Vinyl rip to FLAC.

Being perusing CanuckAudioMart for some preamp ideas. Looks like a very handy source for such items.
Nice, do you have a big flac collection ? It's what i collect too, download them from bandcamp.com or buy them on line from other places. My Denon unit loves Flac, and i like that i have balanced out on the unit.

So far i haven't been able to find Adele - 25 in .flac..
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