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post #31 of 48 Old 01-03-2017, 10:52 AM
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I don't think so. Spotify is only 320 kbps for the premium service and the radio stations vary in quality (usually less than CD quality). Not sure about Deezer and Rhapsody.
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I own a couple of Bluesound Nodes. Instead of a Vault, I have all of my ripped CDs and digital music on a 1TB hard drive plugged into the USB port my home router. It took a little bit of fussing around and some trial-and-error to get it all to work flawlessly, but it works great.
Can it play an album with separate flacs in a folder gapless?
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Can it play an album with separate flacs in a folder gapless?
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I have a Bluesound Vault 2, but also a Node (original N100) on two separate systems. I run both with Android tablets (or my phone or desktop PC), have about 550GB of music on my network and subscribe to Tidal Hi-Fi. It all works really well. Bluesound will soon have integration with Roon, as it's all signed off with the Bluesound team and in the hands of the Roon people to integrate it.

The ability of the BlueOS to create and save playlists that can be a combination of songs from Tidal Hi-Fi and my own library of music is great. I'm more inclined to listen to entire albums than to playlists of individual songs. Another thing I like is that I can pull saved playlists and use them from either device. I can have the play queue (whatever is currently playing) "follow me" from one system to the other, or link them to play a single source on both systems at the same time.

My receiver is an NAD T758 and I just upgraded the video card (MDC module) to the 4K one. What this now does is allow me to get the BlueOS kit & license so I can move the Vault to where the Node is, run BlueOS direct from my receiver, gift the Node to a family member and have one less component on the entertainment center/rack. The fact that all devices are MQA compatible is nice, but true that there's little content out there and the future of it is uncertain. I notice a difference with the few MQA files I have, though I wouldn't consider it to be "profoundly" better.

As to streaming rates, Tidal Hi-Fi seems to the only one for now. Spotify Premium is 320kbps and most people can't tell the difference between it and Tidal Hi-Fi's 1141kbps. Truthfully, I doubt I can but take comfort in knowing I have the best.
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For owners of the Node II, what do you think of the Windows/tablet software interface? Is it easy to use?
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For owners of the Node II, what do you think of the Windows/tablet software interface? Is it easy to use?
Glad you asked. Though I didn't have a Node 2 at the time I tried it, I did have a Vault (now have Vault 2) and the software is the same.

It doesn't work very well. The Windows app is NOT a touchscreen oriented app and works awful without a pointing device (mouse.) It was a complete waste of time so I returned the Windows tablet and exchanged it for an Android tablet. It's great now.

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The Windows app is NOT a touchscreen oriented app and works awful without a pointing device (mouse.) It was a complete waste of time so I returned the Windows tablet and exchanged it for an Android tablet. It's great now.
That's good to know. I often like to use my laptop and a mouse, but do have an iPad and Android tablet. Hopefully they'll update the Windows app.
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I agree. Works great with Android.

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everyone is entitled to their opinion: no need for the barbs

I have experience with MQA too, I just don't see it getting much traction in the marketplace

just my opinion
so just a few days after posting this Tidal launches MQA (on the desktop only for now)

so it is getting traction

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It's not on Tidal desktop only. That is for Tidal apps. Works great on Bluesound Node 2 I have. The challenge is to find MQA albums, as it cannot be done from BlueOS. You have to go to Tidal desktop app, search for "Masters" group under "what's new", favorite them, and then open on BlueOS under favorites on Tidal.

Try it. Awesome!
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Exactly what I do. For now.

Hopefully Tidal will find some means of marking/naming the MQA versions of the albums so we with Bluesound or other "Tidal partner" equipment can easily know the difference.

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Another update (OP here):

After I spent quite a bit of time yesterday listening to my new system, I realized some of my music (not all) needed some more "punches ". As such, went ahead and ordered the SVS sub below:

https://www.amazon.com/SVS-SB12-NSD-...s=svs+sb12-nsd

I realize it is the previous generation, but cannot beat the price (half of the current gen SB-2000). I know it lesser design and 100 watts less than current 12" sealed gen.

I was very close of getting the ELAC sub below:

https://www.amazon.com/S10EQ-Powered...elac+subwoofer

Am I making a big mistake? I still have time to cancel.
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Another update (OP here):

After I spent quite a bit of time yesterday listening to my new system, I realized some of my music (not all) needed some more "punches ". As such, went ahead and ordered the SVS sub below:

https://www.amazon.com/SVS-SB12-NSD-...s=svs+sb12-nsd

I realize it is the previous generation, but cannot beat the price (half of the current gen SB-2000). I know it lesser design and 100 watts less than current 12" sealed gen.

I was very close of getting the ELAC sub below:

https://www.amazon.com/S10EQ-Powered...elac+subwoofer

Am I making a big mistake? I still have time to cancel.
Stick with what you ordered. It's $100 cheaper and there isn't $100 difference unless you place a high value on Bluetooth control of it. Myself, I adjust my sub at setup and rarely (if ever) touch it.
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Another update (OP here):



After I spent quite a bit of time yesterday listening to my new system, I realized some of my music (not all) needed some more "punches ". As such, went ahead and ordered the SVS sub below:



https://www.amazon.com/SVS-SB12-NSD-...s=svs+sb12-nsd



I realize it is the previous generation, but cannot beat the price (half of the current gen SB-2000). I know it lesser design and 100 watts less than current 12" sealed gen.



I was very close of getting the ELAC sub below:



https://www.amazon.com/S10EQ-Powered...elac+subwoofer



Am I making a big mistake? I still have time to cancel.

Not a mistake at all. The SVS sub will be great for your 2-channel setup...and the price is right.
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It's not on Tidal desktop only. That is for Tidal apps. Works great on Bluesound Node 2 I have. The challenge is to find MQA albums, as it cannot be done from BlueOS. You have to go to Tidal desktop app, search for "Masters" group under "what's new", favorite them, and then open on BlueOS under favorites on Tidal.

Try it. Awesome!
That will be a nice addition to the system! Sure, the SB-2000 digs a bit deeper but the SB12-NSD is no slouch.

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Thanks for chiming in guys, much appreciated.

It sounds like SB12 is a keeper. I should get it by Wednesday, and will have a chance to hook it up and "play" with it over the next weekend.

For those with a two-channel (rather 2.1 system) setup, do you guys connect the subwoofers via LFE connections (bypassing sub's crossovers, and utilizing receiver's crossovers putting the speakers as "small"), or level / high pass? I am thinking using LFE initially, setting speakers as small on Rotel with a crossover of 60 HZ.
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I'm back. Cutting to the chase, see the below bolded text for context.

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Newbie???....ROFL.

I have over 30 years of experience in audio circuit design, a MSEE, and designed and built my first tube amplifier in 1960, when I was still in high school. I have had high-quality audio systems in my home for more than 50 years.

You have your opinion, and I have mine; it's as simple as that. Whether you have any idea what you are talking about is open to question.

You should read the articles describing MQA in detail that appeared in The Absolute Sound in 2016. Once you have done so, you might have a different opinion; you will certainly be better informed.

I have studied the technical aspects of MQA thoroughly, and I think it will become the de facto standard for nearly all streaming within a couple of years. It is a win-win technology; significantly improved streaming audio quality with a relatively small bandwidth requirement; it should be a real winner in every way; hard to resist.
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... Time will tell, of course. Frankly, the only possible way I see MQA gaining the type of traction that you're anticipating is if Stuart ends up being forced to license it for cheap or give it away for free.

But I am going to do something I've never done before which may give you the satisfaction of vindication. I will create a future calendar reminder of our post exchange here, say, 3 to 5 years down the line. If you've nailed it with your prediction I will return here with a sincere compliment to you with respect to your analysis and to the prescience of your prediction certainty. If on the other hand you turn out to be wrong, hopefully you'll be able to acknowledge that your position here was highly optimistic at best (if MQA is incorporated within less than half of all streamers), or rather absurd at worst (if MQA is incorporated within less than 25% of the streamer marketplace), should either turn out to be the case. Fair deal, no?

So here we are, exactly 3 years down the line from this exchange of posts where commysysman had confidently predicted MQA ubiquity within a couple years.

I gave you an extra year of wiggle room for your, "de facto standard" prediction. Even with that extra time, turns out that you were extremely "optimistic", as I suggested you would be.

For example, in this late 2019 survey of reviewed streamers, only 2 of 14 offer native MQA. That's less than 15%.

https://www.whathifi.com/us/best-buy...usic-streamers

And even worse here in this next recent example. Only 2 of the 18 rated streamers offer MQA, about 11%

https://www.themasterswitch.com/best-music-streamers

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OK, reading all the posts on this thread made me realize that there's a lot of expertise out there. I have a BluOS system consisting of a NAD C368 with BluOS module and a Pulse Flex. These are both in my "great room", However, I am now and spend most of my time in my basement on my computer, having recently discovered the many YouTube videos excellent performances. Is there any way to stream the audio from my computer to my BluOS system? I could, of course, run a stereo pair from the basement to my great room (in fact, I did essentially that the other day by carrying my computer up and plugging it into the C368) but I'm looking for a better way. All these devices are on the same network, the computer and C368 being on Ethernet.

Also the reverse, can I use the various streaming services I can access through the BluOS app (on my computer or on my phone) on the computer itself, so I can listen while computing? Of course, I can connect separately to each service I am interested in, but can I do that through the BluOS app?

On a totally different subject, if I get a BS Vault and rip my CDs to it, are tags created if they are not already on the CD? I assume the Vault does a better job than I do when ripping my CD to my computer's hard drive using Foobar. The problem with Foobar for classical music listeners such as myself is the following: let's say I have a CD with two symphonies on it, each has four movements, and each movement is on a separate track. Often Foobar will label the files Track01, Track02, etc. This is especially troubling if my symphony occupies two discs and the files from the second disk will also be labeled Track01, etc. I assume the Vault has a clean way of handling this situation.

Thanks in advance for your help.
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