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Before, when I had my 5.1, I use the same front L and R speakers and 2 channel power amp as 2.1. First started out too lazy to turn on all the amps, then realize 2.1 sounds better, so I just watching tv with 2.1. When I move to another house, I just never set up the 5.1 anymore. Been 2.1 since 2003 and never look back. 2.1 just give me the dimension and sound stage the 5.1 didn't give, sure I can hear sound flying with the 5.1, but it's so artificial. I just don't enjoy it. I particularly hate the voice from the center channel, it just didn't do it for me.
I would have agreed with you and too really enjoyed listening in 2.1 with music. All the previous surround modes left me wondering how anyone could enjoy all the artificial effects. It was always lacking something and did not sound natural. When I tried Auro 3D I was shocked. It sounds natural and smooth with very little if any artificial sound. However, it is not a low cost venture. It is not for everyone as I understand many totally reject any type of surround system. The newer AV Receiver do an excellent job running in just Stereo. It’s just nice to have options to be able to do both.

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I switched from having multichannel for almost 20 years to 2.1 because I wanted more flexibility in the speakers I chose and have more budget for fewer components, your money goes a lot farther when you don't have to worry about buying a center. I took a chance on an affordable 2 channel AVR that I've really enjoyed and I'm perfectly happy with it for music, TV/movies and gaming. I was able to build a whole system I really like for less than the price of AVRs I was evaluating when I started upgrading.
I've never had a multi-channel system. I stretched my budget on speakers for a nice 2.0. I don't even have a sub, my speakers playing down to a f3 of 34 hz. I use the system primarily for music and accept what I get for movies. When watching a movie, I don't feel I'm missing anything.
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I've never had a multi-channel system. I stretched my budget on speakers for a nice 2.0. I don't even have a sub, my speakers playing down to a f3 of 34 hz. I use the system primarily for music and accept what I get for movies. When watching a movie, I don't feel I'm missing anything.
Quality beats quantity any time of the day. I have sub, but I turn it low, it really just add very little bit at the low end.
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I've never had a multi-channel system. I stretched my budget on speakers for a nice 2.0. I don't even have a sub, my speakers playing down to a f3 of 34 hz. I use the system primarily for music and accept what I get for movies. When watching a movie, I don't feel I'm missing anything.
I have a feeling I'll end up with towers eventually, probably not as long as I live in my current place, though. Not a ton of room or flexibility in positioning. Something like Dynaudio Contours or Focal Kantas are on my "someday" list.
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I've been two channel for a few years now. Love it.

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I had surround sound since the first consumer units came out in the late 1980's. A few years ago I got bored with the home theater thing and ripped out the 7.1 speaker setup, 100" screen, projector etc and now just have a simple, high quality 2 channel system.
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I had surround sound since the first consumer units came out in the late 1980's. A few years ago I got bored with the home theater thing and ripped out the 7.1 speaker setup, 100" screen, projector etc and now just have a simple, high quality 2 channel system.
I ripped that out since 2003, but I still like giant screen. You have to have big screen with big sound!!!
WOW!!! 100" screen, I would love that. Is it a projection type? I still using an old 72" Mitsubishi rear projection. It's 15 years old. I have gone through 3 Samsung 55", 60" and 65" LED tv already in the family, they just don't last and the color is not as good as the grand daddy Mitsubishi. Just don't have the heart to dump it yet. I want an 80" LED next.

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My new audio/tv two channel only room is almost finished. Waiting on my cellular blinds and diffusers for behind the .7’s. But I’m running an HD Dac1, a new PrimaLuna Evo 300 with phonologue, a Parasound ZM2350, two rythmik L12’s and a carbon debut DC. All connected to a Samsung plasma. I do have a Sonos surround system setup downstairs but I much prefer my Maggie System even for movies! Very small listening space but I love it! I included a picture from when I was playing with the setup. Obviously I had to find a better place for my bar.
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  • Main 2.2 system
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I have nothing against mch, but it's not a priority, maybe because I don't have the room for it.

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Out of curiosity, what is that black receiver?
The Black Amp is a Yamaha RS-797 Stereo Receiver (100w/ch).

The Silver Amp is a Rotel RA-1570 Integrated Amp (120w/ch).

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It is about priorities. My priority is music, despite watching lots of movies, and I don't like the idea of spreading my money so thinly over multiple amps and multiple speakers. I would rather concentrate that on few and better amps, and fewer and better speakers.

So, short of winning the lottery, I'm sticking with 2-channel Stereo -

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You can still run movies and tv through the 2.0, that's what I do and I like it better than surround sound.


You do have enough speakers!!! I see two pairs in the picture already, but that's beside the point. What are the speakers?

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^Wharfedale Diamond 9.6 and I think the others are homemade. [They remind me of Cerwin Vega Klipsch Heresy though.]

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You can still run movies and tv through the 2.0, that's what I do and I like it better than surround sound.

You do have enough speakers!!! I see two pairs in the picture already, but that's beside the point. What are the speakers?
My room is only 16ft wide so not that wide, but being open floor plan it is about 35ft long, so plenty of room for the speakers to unload into.

The Tower speakers are Wharfedale Diamond 9.6 with 2x8" woofers each in a 3.5 configuration.

The Box Speakers are DIY with CTS 12" bass driver (3-way). Considering I build them for pretty cheap, they sound very good. I think I originally had less that $100 each in them. But I rebuilt them into the cabinets you see and the re-build cost more than the original speakers and cabinets. (org=1978, rebuild=1983)

You can hear both speakers here, and compare them -



They both sound pretty good to my ears.

As to having FOUR Speakers, that's just the way it worked out. I got a deal on the Wharfedale, but when I considered selling the DIY 12", there is no amount of money I could reasonably get for them, that would allow me to buy anything I wanted or needed. That is, they were more valuable to have then they were to sell.

I had an Onkyo amp on the DIY-12" and the Yamaha on the Wharfedale, but I upgraded the amp to a Rotel RA-1570, and shifted the Yamaha down to the DIY-12".

Makes for fantastic movies, and excellent music .... all things considered.

Just a bit more info.

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My room is only 16ft wide so not that wide, but being open floor plan it is about 35ft long, so plenty of room for the speakers to unload into.

The Tower speakers are Wharfedale Diamond 9.6 with 2x8" woofers each in a 3.5 configuration.

The Box Speakers are DIY with CTS 12" bass driver (3-way). Considering I build them for pretty cheap, they sound very good. I think I originally had less that $100 each in them. But I rebuilt them into the cabinets you see and the re-build cost more than the original speakers and cabinets. (org=1978, rebuild=1983)

You can hear both speakers here, and compare them -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALpUv6OWT-0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OfTRgjVX0Y

They both sound pretty good to my ears.

As to having FOUR Speakers, that's just the way it worked out. I got a deal on the Wharfedale, but when I considered selling the DIY 12", there is no amount of money I could reasonably get for them, that would allow me to buy anything I wanted or needed. That is, they were more valuable to have then they were to sell.

I had an Onkyo amp on the DIY-12" and the Yamaha on the Wharfedale, but I upgraded the amp to a Rotel RA-1570, and shifted the Yamaha down to the DIY-12".

Makes for fantastic movies, and excellent music .... all things considered.

Just a bit more info.

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I was going to guess the DIY pair was Altec. Ever try SET amp on that pair, SET amp and horn speakers supposedly a very good match.


No loss running as 2.0 instead of surround sound. I use 2.1 for watching movie and everything. I have not heard of the name Wharfedale since I came from Hong Kong in the early 70s, I only heard from here lately. It was consider a good brand that time. One day, I might DIY speakers, problem is I don't care how it looks, but big boss does care. Far as I concern, as long as it sounds heavenly, it can be made into a pine box.

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I was going to guess the DIY pair was Altec. Ever try SET amp on that pair, SET amp and horn speakers supposedly a very good match.
Never tried SET.

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No loss running as 2.0 instead of surround sound. I use 2.1 for watching movie and everything. I have not heard of the name Wharfedale since I came from Hong Kong in the early 70s, I only heard from here lately. It was consider a good brand that time. One day, I might DIY speakers, problem is I don't care how it looks, but big boss does care. Far as I concern, as long as it sounds heavenly, it can be made into a pine box.
Cabinets make a big difference in how the Speakers ultimately sound. They need to be solid, and preferable with no Grain Bias. By that I mean, wood grain has a directionality to it, which is why speakers are made from Plywood, MDF, or Veneer Particle Board which is what I used. Though I used very high density Particle Board much heavier than Plywood.

Today most will build speakers out of MDF (medium density fiberboard) then cover them with veneer, either real or vinyl.

I used a very low tech method, given that they were originally built in 1978. You need a generally large cabinet relative to the size of the bass driver. Then you tune to port to roughly the Resonance Frequency of the Woofer. Line the inside with loose Fiberglass, and you are pretty much set.

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I don’t have a dedicated two channel system yet. I’m integrating two channel listening into my home theater system. I love movies and the benefits of surround and now Atmos too much to give it up.

Eventually I will have a dedicated two channel setup where I can be brought back to being a kid, spinning a record, and sitting in that sweet spot to get lost in the music.
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I don’t have a dedicated two channel system yet. I’m integrating two channel listening into my home theater system. I love movies and the benefits of surround and now Atmos too much to give it up.

Eventually I will have a dedicated two channel setup where I can be brought back to being a kid, spinning a record, and sitting in that sweet spot to get lost in the music.
I've never understood the need for a 2ch and HT when it's very easy to build one that will do both perfectly well.
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I've never understood the need for a 2ch and HT when it's very easy to build one that will do both perfectly well.
This is true but I want to separate the two systems because I want to build a listening space that has a different vibe than where I watch movies. I’m also trying to build a 2 channel system with some vintage equipment that I still own from when I was a wee lad.

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I've never understood the need for a 2ch and HT when it's very easy to build one that will do both perfectly well.
Correct, but that's "not true" if you follow audio mythology dealers/vendors push though. They don't want to sell the consumer one product when they could could sell them two, so they promote these three myths:

- bi-wire [doubles their profits on wire (a very high margin category, by the way)]

- bi-amping (passive) [more than doubles their profits on amplifiers, which by definition need double wiring too]

- bi-preamping [Better known as "HT bypass", more than doubles their profits on the preamp/integrated amp stage because they have one for 2ch sources and another one for 5.1. Why? Because the 2ch inputs on the 5.1 device are, um, "bad sounding".]

And of course doubling everything, having one complete system, including speakers, one set for stereo and another for 5.1, is their ultimate marketing goal.

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I’m not following any audio mythology. It’s as simple as wanting two separate systems for the reasons I stated.
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This is true but I want to separate the two systems because I want to build a listening space that has a different vibe than where I watch movies. I’m also trying to build a 2 channel system with some vintage equipment that I still own from when I was a wee lad.
That's cool. Logical. I have no problem with it. My post wasn't addressing you nor what you wrote.

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That's cool. I have no problem with it. My post wasn't addressing you.
Thanks! Looking forward to finally getting it going. I just wish I saved more of my old equipment.

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I've never understood the need for a 2ch and HT when it's very easy to build one that will do both perfectly well.
once you see(and hear) 2ch and HT done to a really high level it's easier to understand. Can they both be integrated, yes but I think it somewhat fair to say most 'serious' 2ch guys and gals prefer to separate their systems, I know I do
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once you see(and hear) 2ch and HT done to a really high level it's easier to understand.
I've heard both (and sold them professionally for a little over two decades) and I agree with A9X-308: I don't understand it either. Perhaps you could explain the concept to us? Specifically, when shopping for the amplifier to drive the left channel of a 2ch system what attributes would differ from what one should look for in the amplifier one would use for the front left speaker of a HT system, hence the need to buy two amps not one?

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I've heard both (and sold them professionally for a little over two decades) and I agree with A9X-308: I don't understand it either. Perhaps you could explain the concept to us?
aesthetics, personal tastes. I had both together years back and I preferred to keep my focus on my stereo first and foremost.

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Specifically, when shopping for the amplifier to drive the left channel of a 2ch system what attributes would differ from what one should look for in the amplifier one would use for the front left speaker of a HT system?
Assuming the speakers are the same and or their inherent demands are the same then none. But if one is utilizing more highly efficient speakers for their HT setup vs their 2ch which may require 'more' from an amplifier, that changes things .......
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But if one is utilizing more highly efficient speakers for their HT setup vs their 2ch which may require 'more' from an amplifier, that changes things .......
I see, HT systems "might be using more highly efficient speakers" and for some reason which escapes me an amplifier selected for optimal 2ch performance (because it has "more") might have trouble driving such efficient speakers, hence the need to purchase two different amps rather than one.
I disagree.
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I see, HT systems "might be using more highly efficient speakers" and for some reason which escapes me an amplifier selected for optimal 2ch performance (because it has "more") might have trouble driving such efficient speakers, hence the need to purchase two different amps rather than one.
I disagree.
sorry, not what I meant. I said what I said in the context of two separate systems.
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