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Paradigm Persona/Anthem STR room

Audio Video Interiors gave a nice narrated demo of the new(ish) Pardigm Persona 5F speakers, driven by the new Anthem STR pre-amp and power amp. Having stopped by several rooms in which the systems cost more than your average house, it was nice to check out some gear that is at least remotely affordable for audiophiles of more modest means. I have to say, the sound from this combo was extremely nice, as it combined great and natural highs and mids with great sound stage and imaging, along with fantastic voclas. The Anthem STR power amp seemed to have lots of power.
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Legacy Audio/Raven Audio: Not only did Bill Duddleston and Legacy show up with their new VALOR model, but they also have AERIS, Focus SE, Calibre, and Signature SE on demo. Driven by Raven Audio tube amplification, the AERIS were producing the big, open, and uncompressed sound that Legacy is known for. With the large mid range drivers of the AERIS, male vocals in the baritone range are incredible.
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Focal: One speaker I really wanted to hear was the new Kanta No. 2, as it is priced in the same relatively affordable range as the Paradigm Persona 3F and new Revel F228. These Kanta sounded really nice and went deeper in the bass than I would have guessed, considering the size of the woofers.
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Focal: One speaker I really wanted to hear was the new Kanta No. 2, as it is priced in the same relatively affordable range as the Paradigm Persona 3F and new Revel F228. These Kanta sounded really nice and went deeper in the bass than I would have guessed, considering the size of the woofers.
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Focal: One speaker I really wanted to hear was the new Kanta No. 2, as it is priced in the same relatively affordable range as the Paradigm Persona 3F and new Revel F228. These Kanta sounded really nice and went deeper in the bass than I would have guessed, considering the size of the woofers.

I'd been interested in the Kanta 2 as well. It's a very nice looking speaker (important to me) and a nice size, with a good pedigree. I auditioned it in a nice room, well treated. The Kanta had the usual Focal clarity in the mids/treble, and sounded smooth enough. But I was quite disappointed by the bass. Everything from the upper bass down sounded bloaty and not coherent with the super clear upper frequencies. I was always aware of the clarity of the sound "stopping" at some point, and a flubbier sound taking over.

I've read a number of people who auditioned the Kanta finding similar problems with the bass. Just FYI...
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More DynAudio, this time Contour 2s, along with a fancy VPI record player and Pass Labs amps. Nice sound, though the room was a bit small for the speakers. They also have a wet bar, so that’s a plus for this room, run by something or someone called The Audio Surgeon.
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Season Sound Special Preshow Session: Mark Seaton’s father was kind enough to meet with us and show us around the Seaton Sound room before the show this morning so that we could get some pictures.

Seaton Sound is demoing a variety of their products including their signature Seaton Submersive subwoofers (two powered units running two slaves each for a total of six), their smaller Catalyst 8C, their new LCR Sparks, new in-wall coaxial speakers, and through a partnership with Acurus the new Acurus 20 channel processor and Acurus Amps.

Seaton is also releasing a new smaller version of their subwoofer, details coming in the future, pricing around $1,299 in wood finish, two of them apparently equal one Submersive.
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Dan Laufman at Emotiva gave us a preshow interview and tour. Yesterday I was very impressed by the Emotiva presentation. After speaking with Dan today I’m even more excited for what the company has coming out.

Let’s start with an answer to the question above: yes, the RMC-1 is capable of full discrete 16 channel processing, including front wides, with no matrixing.

There’s also an expansion module for the RMC-1 in the works that will give it support for up to 6 subwoofers, all discretely managed with individual delay, phase, level, and Dirac processing per sub.

Dan also mentioned that HDMI 2.1 boards are being developed and will be available for all RMC, XMC, and XMR units, with an option for the end user to install it themves to avoid having to ship the whole unit back.

Speaking of the XMR, the new Emotiva Receiver, it’s coming out late this summer. It uses Pascal amp modules (considered to be some of the best), has 11 amplified channels, and will do 200wpc into 8ohms any 4 channels driven 20hz-20khz, that’s dang impressive. It also will have a 1 kilowatt switch-mode power supply similar to those used in the XPA Gen 3 amps, but larger.

Some cool new stuff coming:

The DC-2 DAC is a desktop DAC with a very unique feature - a subwoofer output and bass management (user selectable for 60hz or 80hz crossover point).


There are also the PR-1 amps - 150 watts into 8ohms doubling to 300 watts at 4 ohms, $299 each, monoblocks, with RCA sand balanced (combo XLR/TRS) inputs.

Dan also mentioned that Emotiva is the only affordable manufacturer of audio equipment who controls their entire technology path. The software for the RMC-1 was apparently the big bugaboo thats been delaying things. Now that that’s finished expect an avalanche of new Emotiva gear in coming years.
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Syneegistic Research has a bunch of line conditioners, fancy cables, fancy ground boxes, and metal magnet things that you attach to your speakers and sound treatments then control via RF towers, I’m unclear how that’s supposed to work.

I couldn’t really tell a difference as he was turning off their various enhancements and gizmos, but the Magic S5 Mark 2 speakers they were using for the demo sound great. Crystal clear and detailed treble with no harshness or feeling of brightness.
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I have found that true of all AMT/ribbon designs I have heard to date. Apparently the RAAL is supposed to be different and special, but I have yet to hear one. I'd be surprised if it's better off axis than a dome though.

I had a couple good demos with Reference 3's and just couldn't love them. Ended up buying Focal Sopra 2's, which are very nice though I'm not completely in love with them either. The deal was too good not to take a blind risk though as I could easily sell them for what I paid...and lets be real, there aren't any turds at the ~$15k price point, just lovely speakers that can sound pretty different one from the next.
Hadn't thought about the driver technology being the cause, but that does make sense. And I hear you - I got a great deal on the KEF's - bought them used and love them. But you really can't go wrong at that level...

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Dan Laufman at Emotiva gave us a preshow interview and tour. Yesterday I was very impressed by the Emotiva presentation. After speaking with Dan today I’m even more excited for what the company has coming out.

Let’s start with an answer to the question above: yes, the RMC-1 is capable of full discrete 16 channel processing, including front wides, with no matrixing.

There’s also an expansion module for the RMC-1 in the works that will give it support for up to 6 subwoofers, all discretely managed with individual delay, phase, level, and Dirac processing per sub.

Dan also mentioned that HDMI 2.1 boards are being developed and will be available for all RMC, XMC, and XMR units, with an option for the end user to install it themves to avoid having to ship the whole unit back.

Speaking of the XMR, the new Emotiva Receiver, it’s coming out late this summer. It uses Pascal amp modules (considered to be some of the best), has 11 amplified channels, and will do 200wpc into 8ohms any 4 channels driven 20hz-20khz, that’s dang impressive. It also will have a 1 kilowatt switch-mode power supply similar to those used in the XPA Gen 3 amps, but larger.

Some cool new stuff coming:

The DC-2 DAC is a desktop DAC with a very unique feature - a subwoofer output and bass management (user selectable for 60hz or 80hz crossover point).


There are also the PR-1 amps - 150 watts into 8ohms doubling to 300 watts at 4 ohms, $299 each, monoblocks, with RCA sand balanced (combo XLR/TRS) inputs.

Dan also mentioned that Emotiva is the only affordable manufacturer of audio equipment who controls their entire technology path. The software for the RMC-1 was apparently the big bugaboo thats been delaying things. Now that that’s finished expect an avalanche of new Emotiva gear in coming years.
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Syneegistic Research has a bunch of line conditioners, fancy cables, fancy ground boxes, and metal magnet things that you attach to your speakers and sound treatments then control via RF towers, I’m unclear how that’s supposed to work.

I couldn’t really tell a difference as he was turning off their various enhancements and gizmos, but the Magic S5 Mark 2 speakers they were using for the demo sound great. Crystal clear and detailed treble with no harshness or feeling of brightness.
I have no compunction saying that the way Ted's stuff works has a lot to do with the human imagination. Yes, the high-end tweakers do & cable sales folks do themselves a quite a favor by using high performance gear to conduct their demos.

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Looks nice, Mark! BTW, how do you get the photo to appear in the body of your comment? I tried, but just a bunch of "code" appeared, so I had to upload the pic as an attachment, which you then have to click on.

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Gershman Acoustics - Demoing their new ‘Posh’ speakers, which showcase 1” HDF and wood cabinets, dual 8” aluminum woofers, a 5” Accuton ceramic midrange, and some sort of big soft dome tweeter. They sound nice, they’re also $129,000, so, you know, these or a decent house in flyover country.
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Looks nice, Mark! BTW, how do you get the photo to appear in the body of your comment? I tried, but just a bunch of "code" appeared, so I had to upload the pic as an attachment, which you then have to click on.
I cheat, I have my own hosting on AVS Forum I use, but it's the same as long as you have it hosted somewhere with an ULR than ends in .jpg

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Sadurni Acoustics - Huge horn loaded speakers, incredibly impressive sense of ‘live’, truly full range with included subwoofer, very nice soundstage and exceptional detail.

The hotel room is way too small for these, put these in one of the big ballrooms and they’d be even better.

Fostex tweeter, titanium compression driver mid, custom woofer in the basshorn. $50K all in including subs, with a smaller version going for $22K. Compared to a lot of stuff here, that’s a bargain.
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Someone asked for some Seaton Sound pics. I can't find the post to reply to it but i do have pics. I'm going to try my luck again. Now this time Im going to push my luck and see if i can post multiple pics
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Ryan Speakers Part Deux - Apparently this is a new line from the company being debuted now. They use beryllium tweeters, and sound fantastic. No hint of cabinet resonances and better bass than the floor standers I heard yesterday. Nice silky-smooth bookshelves with plenty of detail and a nice center image. I like them, and they’re made in California.
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Pure Audio Project - Neat open baffle Speakers combining a fullrange driver with some woofer support. Big open sound, but I felt like something was missing up top, maybe a tweeter?

Still, nice overall. They throw a big sound.
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Vehement Audio - RAAL ribbon tweeter, 6” Scandinavian woofer (custom Seas), parts-Express cabinet (with custom acrylic faceplate and special internal coating to stop standing waves and resonances) sound sort of familiar?

There are worse business models than copying Ascend Acoustics and Philharmonic Audio, and these did sound incredible, nice deep bass, sparkly treble, these guys build a very good speaker. At $1,995 show special ($2,499 normal retail) it just feels like other people are already building this speaker for less.
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Pure Audio Project Part 2: These Guys apparently have a second room, demoing a bigger better version of their speaker with a horn-loaded Beyma compression driver handling the treble and a good portion of midrange.

These solved the ‘lack of treble’ issue I had with the previous speaker from them I listened to. Huge soundstage, not the most focused imaging but it has a big direct ‘live’ sound. These are fun speakers, and not ridiculous at $7,500/pair.

They also had a cool looking tube amp. The thing that looks like a long neck tie or vacuum hose is a power cable. Fancy.
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Tekton/Parasound: Parasound has the Tekton Impact Monitors set up in their room. People keep saying the Tektons have a very ‘live’ sound and I sort of agree, they sound like amplified live sound, like a very high quality and refined PA speaker.

I don’t mean that as an insult, it’s actually pretty cool, I can see why a lot of people like them. It’s a big, raw, right on the edge of your seat sound.
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Gershman Acoustics - Demoing their new ‘Posh’ speakers, which showcase 1” HDF and wood cabinets, dual 8” aluminum woofers, a 5” Accuton ceramic midrange, and some sort of big soft dome tweeter. They sound nice, they’re also $129,000, so, you know, these or a decent house in flyover country.
Possibly the most miss-named speakers I've ever heard. They are to my eyes hideous, looking like an ugly prototype in the lab rather than a finished refined product.
For that kind of money I'd expect far better aesthetics. But...not every speaker designer has great aesthetic talent as well.

(When I heard the Gershman Posh speakers at TAVES I found them very clear, but the epitome of "clinical." Not very inviting to listen to).
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I cheat, I have my own hosting on AVS Forum I use, but it's the same as long as you have it hosted somewhere with an ULR than ends in .jpg

You should be able to get any hosted JPEG to show up by tagging it as follows:[IMG]URL[/IMG]
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I'd been meaning to make a post or two with some photos but don't have any host. I remember being told that I can just upload them anyway, as AVS will host the photos. Is that not the case?
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PMC. - I was looking forward to this room, but hey only had their smallest towers, the Twenty5.23 hooked up. The transmission line does wonders for bass, and they were nice and creamy in the bass and lower midrange. Treble and upper midrange was very recessed and congested though.
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I cheat, I have my own hosting on AVS Forum I use, but it's the same as long as you have it hosted somewhere with an ULR than ends in .jpg

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I'd been meaning to make a post or two with some photos but don't have any host. I remember being told that I can just upload them anyway, as AVS will host the photos. Is that not the case?
Just attaching and posting is what I've been doing. It seems to be working. If i have to upload to photobucket I'll have to wait until I get back to the room.
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Salk Sound - this is two Salk rooms in one post. Salk is showing off their new Salk Song3 Beat a new power-cost offering with a Beryllium tweeter (Beryllium seems to be a theme of this show) combined with an Audio Technology midrange and a smaller Satori woofer. The other room has the big-daddy Song3 Encore with the same Beryllium tweeter mated to a fancy Eton midrange and a huge Satori woofer.

Both sound excellent with no faults I could identify, but the Encore is better, a little smoother and clearer in the midrange, wider and deeper sound stage, and a bit more bass.

Both, of course, are finished to excellent levels as you would expect from Salk.
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