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It's kind of embarrassing to even admit that I bought a Polk subwoofer at one point...
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Samsung makes some really high performance equipment, but the reliability and durability of their products in general seems to be less than ideal.
My favorite TV was my previous 1080p Samsung Plasma that I had to replace with a perfectly decent 4k Samsung LCD, but I would still have the plasma if it wasn't for the horrendous buzzing it developed. I have bought 5 Samsung TV's, two went bad, one was sold, and two are in use. Not a great percentage.
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When I went to separates from a Yamaha receiver (CR-1020) long ago I started with a Crown pre-amp and amplifier. When Bob Carver produced the TFM-35x stereo amp I just had to have it. Cool factor you know and a great number of watts.

This amp was shrill and could not reproduce mid-bass very well (slow and sloppy). I know my Infinity EMIT tweeters contributed to the stratospheric highs but the amp was a big disappointment. I moved on to Vandersteen speakers and this Carver amp revealed its shortcomings and we parted ways.

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This is why I really hate those "everything sounds the same"
Strawman. No member here has ever said that.
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When I went to separates from a Yamaha receiver (CR-1020) long ago ...
Yamaha receivers during the CR-1020 era were absolutely amazing (in my opinion)
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Yamaha receivers during the CR-1020 era were absolutely amazing (in my opinion)
And the CR-1020 still is running fine at my sons house in his 2 channel vinyl system powering my old Vandersteen 1C's.

I took it back for a weekend this summer to give it a good pot and PCB cleaning. It soldiers on in relatively great condition.
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Can you elaborate on the PS Audio? That is not cheap.


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Build Quality: not very impressive for a $6k DAC. The case felt kind of cheap and the touchscreen used looked like it was out of a gas station credit card swiper from 10 years ago.

Sound: Super laid back sounding, overly so for my taste. It felt like the soundstage was very distant and un-engaging. Vocals that I know to have great presence and goosebump factor simply weren't doing it through the Directstream. I also didn't hear any more resolution or better soundstaging than my DAC at the time, a Fostex HP-A8 which could be had for less than $1k.

It may have worked fine in a different system (particularly one that had an overly-forward presentation) but didn't work in mine.
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Samsung, maybe I go for it in a TV if I don't have money.

But my concern is mostly durability, my blurayplayer broke when I wiped dust under it and gently put it down.

And it sucked on dvds, that time I had a lot, still do. And I regret I sold my Denon dvd 1940 that was great both on dvds and CDs Sacd.

I had a Samsung LCD also for 860 bucks, a great disappointment, and that was my first flat screen.

I also had a Samsung Tab, and some phone.

Samsung is my worst experience, they may be better today, but I'm not trusting them.

I want gear to last, and Samsung has bad build.
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Strawman. No member here has ever said that.

Not that 'we' haven't been through this a few times before


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Strawman. No member here has ever said that.
AVS has improved with regard to that, that's true. That's why I've started participating again after a long absence, but there are outliers.

This thread is about experiences. Specifically, bad experiences with equipment we have personally purchased and used. If you have direct personal negative experience with specific equipment you've owned, or direct personal experience with equipment others have mentioned, I'm sure we'd all love to hear about those experiences. If your intent is to tell us how we should all experience our equipment, or evaluate our equipment, this is probably not the thread for that.
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Strawman. No member here has ever said that.

Yes, many of them keep trying to convince the rest of us that if you don't do DBT and level match, you don't know what you are talking. They manage to silence people here all the time by filibustering every single thread. Then someone report and close the thread. It's almost like organized.
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"This is why I really hate those "everything sounds the same" and "blind test" comments when they come up on AVS."

Save your money.
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Again, if people can't tell the difference between amps, that all sounds the same, why are they even here? It's like to me, I don't care about performance of the car, car for me is going from point A to point B. Buying nice car is just for going from A to B......with style. But I never go on any car forum telling people that it's stupid to buy a nice car because it is not any better than a Toyota or Honda. I don't care to waste my time. If I have to spend the time trying to convince people, there must be something for me to gain if I don't even care about it.


I don't care enough, car makes no difference for me as long as it doesn't break down.

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They manage to silence people....
No, suggesting objective testing isn't silencing.

As far as this particular thread goes, I regret purchasing separate electronic components over 20 years ago.
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No, suggesting objective testing isn't silencing.

As far as this particular thread goes, I regret purchasing separate electronic components over 20 years ago.

Same few people gang up on every single time when people claim they can tell the difference is silencing.

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Now these are FACTS.

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Same few people gang up on every single time when people claim they can tell the difference is silencing.
No one has been silenced. We're all still talking.
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Cool

Hey Folks, I started this thread strictly for fun. Just want to hear experiences and if they're amusing all the better. Some of you need to lighten up. Put on some happy music and dance around the room. It's all about the music.
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As far as this particular thread goes, I regret purchasing separate electronic components over 20 years ago.
The above is a very good start to being on topic, but your comment conveys no information at all (except telegraphing your overall bitterness towards separates). Which brands and models of separate electronic components did you own? What specifically did you dislike about them? What components did you replace them with? Why were they replacements better? Answer those questions and you will further the discussion instead of dragging it off topic.
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The above is a very good start to being on topic, but your comment conveys no information at all (except telegraphing your overall bitterness to separates).
Not bitter. Happy.

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Which brands and models of separate electronic components did you own?
The brands and models don't matter.

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What specifically did you dislike about them?
The high cost without any improved sound.

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What components did you replace them with?
Far less expensive electronics.

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Why were they replacements better?
Less expensive, but still sonically satisfying.

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Answer those questions and you will further the discussion instead of dragging it off topic.
Yes sir. There you go.
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This will be my last response to you in this thread so I don't further amplify/extend the noise.

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The brands and models don't matter.
But "brands and models" is what this thread is about. That is the entire point of the discussion. It's in the title. If you don't want to talk about specific components, then you have no reason to participate in this thread.
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Another piece I kind of regret, almost forgot, I bought a Single Ended tube amp kit on ebay and built it. It sounded awful. Talk about bad, it really sounded like a portable radio or CD player. No sound stage or 3D to talk about. I tried modify to lower the distortion, increase the power, minor improvement only. It's sitting in the garage next to the PA-7 now. I talked to another designer, he think my speaker is too difficult for the SE tube amp to drive. But I am not willing to go and buy an Altec or Klipsch type of high efficient horn loaded speakers. SE tube amps work really well with those. That's part of the reason I talked about building a tube amp for over a year and never do anything about it. This always at the back of my mind, $300 wasted.


But not nearly as regret as the PA-7. I had really high hope for that because of the designer and his reputation.

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This will be my last response to you in this thread so I don't further amplify/extend the noise.
Thank you. We will all appreciate that.
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This will be my last response to you in this thread so I don't further amplify/extend the noise.



But "brands and models" is what this thread is about. That is the entire point of the discussion. It's in the title. If you don't want to talk about specific components, then you have no reason to participate in this thread.
I don't see the big deal. That's the way he chose to participate. Your post(and my reply, unfortunately) add nothing.
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But, But......you have not done the DBT and level matching, you don't know what you are talking!!! Ha ha ha ha ............


Seriously, I don't even think you can judge as well if you a being put on the spot to compare amps one after the other. You likely be trying so hard to pick out the difference that you miss the moon all together. That's the reason I have been talking about the best comparison is just use it, enjoy it. When you are not thinking about it, relax and listen, you notice more the difference. It's like when I wasn't compare, I put in a new amp and just watch tv. All of a sudden, I hear things different, it might sound sweeter, the sound seems more real, or I hear things I never experience before. That's when you can tell which one is better or which one you like better.



Even in comparison, I could hear the difference of singer voices that are different. Forget level matching, but the time you match everything, you forgot how the last one sound already!!! You just listen.


Last but NOT the least. Someone link me a DBT to prove amps don't mean anything. But then I read the article in detail. They tested all the high end amps with a $1995MSRP pair of studio monitor!!!! Testing a $10K with a $2K monitor??!!! Don't we learn to very first thing about buying a system, that you put AT LEAST half the budget into the speakers??!! that's the speakers is the most important piece in the system?? That the speaker define the sound of the system?? How can you tell the high end amps with so so speakers? This sure feels like politics to me, that we read about climate change........written by all the liberal professors in the universities....that make up the test to convince people that it is real. Until you have both sides testing the amps, you only hear one biased side of the story.


Also, be aware of the sour grapes factor.

I think DBT has it's place but it is only one tool available and the debate around it seems to lean too far towards the useful/useless black and white view.


When discussing amps and whether or not they all sound the same, I think the biggest failing is the "they all measure the same" argument is done in reference to a 2/4/8 ohm resistive load, as opposed to the real complex impedance that actually correspond to loudspeakers and not lab conditions in a vacuum.



Not saying I'm on one side or the other, and both sides are entitled to their opinions. Its just that a lot of the opinions I see going back and forth on the subject tend to be hyper focused on specific aspects of the discussion instead of cohesive arguments that take into account the overall complexities of acoustics/electronics that are actually being discussed.



On the original topic, not necessarily audio but I regret chasing 4K video too soon and having my 1080p, and then GEN 1 4K receiver become obsolete rather quickly (partially my own fault I know).


I would say what HDMI can do with version 2.1 but its not very polite.
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Denon dbp bluray 1800 and Samsung bluray, and Nad T something AVR receiver.

All was returned, with money back.

I love Denon and Nad and own components today from both.

But Samsung I don't think I buy again. But never say never.
Same here, long time NAD owner, (7250pe and 902 still going strong), so bought a $1699 NAD T770 receiver in 1999, ($2500 in today's money), and it started losing its digital inputs at year 9 or so and then totally crapped out in 2011 and I replaced it with a Denon AVR 1912 which, for me, was better in every way.

I expected that AVR to last 20 years but I guess it was a blessing in disguise as, obviously, lots of improvements in connectivity between 1999 and 2011.

So I don't see myself spending that kind of money on an AVR ever again.
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But "brands and models" is what this thread is about. That is the entire point of the discussion. It's in the title. If you don't want to talk about specific components, then you have no reason to participate in this thread.

This is the title of the thread "What audio component did you most regret purchasing "


I didn't see a request to include "brands and models"


Just my observation.
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i have a yamaha rxv 3000 which I bought long time ago to replace a yamaha 2092...the rxv3000 sounded worse and one of the voltage rails blew out which cost me $270 to fix...never used it again and still have it collecting dust somewhere.

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I think DBT has it's place but it is only one tool available and the debate around it seems to lean too far towards the useful/useless black and white view.


When discussing amps and whether or not they all sound the same, I think the biggest failing is the "they all measure the same" argument is done in reference to a 2/4/8 ohm resistive load, as opposed to the real complex impedance that actually correspond to loudspeakers and not lab conditions in a vacuum.



Not saying I'm on one side or the other, and both sides are entitled to their opinions. Its just that a lot of the opinions I see going back and forth on the subject tend to be hyper focused on specific aspects of the discussion instead of cohesive arguments that take into account the overall complexities of acoustics/electronics that are actually being discussed.



On the original topic, not necessarily audio but I regret chasing 4K video too soon and having my 1080p, and then GEN 1 4K receiver become obsolete rather quickly (partially my own fault I know).


I would say what HDMI can do with version 2.1 but its not very polite.

I totally agree with you. What you are seeing is just the pendulum swinging to the other extreme. I just look at your post, you are new and you have not seen the history. Every time we talk about different sound or anything, immediate there would be comment that unless you do DBT or level matching, you don't know what you are listening to and you don't know what you are talking.

That said, I agree there is no rules one way or the other, It is all subjective. DBT and level matching has it valid point, but so as just listen to it. Also the sound depends on the room, the speakers, the amps and everything, last but not the least, we have different ears. There is no right or wrong, we just want to be able to talk without being judged and invalidated every time. Everyone can express their opinion, it's just an opinion. Just hope we can all get along and free to express our opinions.

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Not hooked up: Nakamichi Stasis PA-7 power amp, Velodyne VA1210 sub, Kef Reference Series center, Kef Bookshelf speaker, Monitor Audio bookshelf speaker, Infinity rear speakers. Acurus 3X200W amp.

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