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Opinion noted. Move along. Please?
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I totally agree with you. What you are seeing is just the pendulum swinging to the other extreme. I just look at your post, you are new and you have not seen the history. Every time we talk about different sound or anything, immediate there would be comment that unless you do DBT or level matching, you don't know what you are listening to and you don't know what you are talking.

That said, I agree there is no rules one way or the other, It is all subjective. DBT and level matching has it valid point, but so as just listen to it. Also the sound depends on the room, the speakers, the amps and everything, last but not the least, we have different ears. There is no right or wrong, we just want to be able to talk without being judged and invalidated every time. Everyone can express their opinion, it's just an opinion. Just hope we can all get along and free to express our opinions.
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A DSPeaker Anti-Mode 8033S-II. It gets great reviews but only made my low end sound worst. Worked with it for a few days and then put it away in frustration. Pulled it out last summer and still did not like the results. It may be a good product but it did not work for me. I really need to sell it one of these days before I get temped to try again and end in frustration ... again.
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A DSPeaker Anti-Mode 8033S-II. It gets great reviews but only made my low end sound worst. Worked with it for a few days and then put it away in frustration. Pulled it out last summer and still did not like the results. It may be a good product but it did not work for me. I really need to sell it one of these days before I get temped to try again and end in frustration ... again.
I have the Velodyne SMS-1, which is a similar product that, come to think of it, I also regret buying. I used it to tune my Sunfire sub to the room in my 2-channel music only system. The product itself works great and did smooth out the bass, but I think inserting DSP into the subwoofer channel adds a very slight delay relative to the main speakers. The bass was better balanced but wasn't as tight. I left it in the system because I spent quite a bit of time tuning it, but was never too happy with the sound.

A few months ago, the Sunfire sub decided that it would prefer to play a humming sound instead of bass, so now I'm running without sub and it sounds better. I also came to realize, after the sub died, that my Soliloquy 6.3's put out an amazing amount of deep bass on their own. They weigh over 100lbs each, but only have 2 6.5" woofers, so I automatically added a sub without even thinking about it. Now I realize they don't really need a sub and it sounds a lot cleaner without it. If I do add a sub back in, I will just use the sub controls rather than DSP to eliminate any DSP delay issues.
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I also regretted buying the SVS subs last spring that I could never get to sound right, but now that I've got the mains placed where I have good bass, I think I will give them a try again. It's going to rain all weekend so maybe this weekend I'll try it.
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I also regretted buying the SVS subs last spring that I could never get to sound right, but now that I've got the mains placed where I have good bass, I think I will give them a try again. It's going to rain all weekend so maybe this weekend I'll try it.



Glad I bought the Rythmik instead, I was going back and forth between SVS and Rythmik, I decided on Rythmik. Also, it's nice looking with the silver cone. It serves as end table for me. I ordered a piece of 3/4" glass as the top.
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i bought an adcom 3 channel amp 3x200 back in the 90's...tried it out for a week or 2 and returned it...made my klipsch speakers way too bright compared to yamaha avr.


bought some kimber and xlo speaker cables...returned the kimber


bose acoustic mass system with 4 cubes and a sub box...I dont remember what happened to it...maybe trashcan

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i bought an adcom 3 channel amp 3x200 back in the 90's...tried it out for a week or 2 and returned it...made my klipsch speakers way too bright compared to yamaha avr.


bought some kimber and xlo speaker cables...returned the kimber


bose acoustic mass system with 4 cubes and a sub box...I dont remember what happened to it...maybe trashcan

Too bad the Kimber did not work out. I was banking on the multiple small wire "knit" together. It work well for me.

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Too bad the Kimber did not work out. I was banking on the multiple small wire "knit" together. It work well for me.

the xlo have same multiple tiny wires just were tighter braid and looked better imo. i know i have my +/- reversed
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the xlo have same multiple tiny wires just were tighter braid and looked better imo. i know i have my +/- reversed

That make me feel a lot better. I am not "for" Kimber per say, My theory is for multiple small wires to minimize inductance. Kimble is all I know of before, Good to know there are other brands. Now I am waiting for Scott3886 to do the experiment.


You notice those knitted cables are better than the single wire cables?

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the xlo have same multiple tiny wires just were tighter braid and looked better imo. i know i have my +/- reversed
Wow, they are expensive.


It's not easy to knit like this.

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That make me feel a lot better. I am not "for" Kimber per say, My theory is for multiple small wires to minimize inductance. Kimble is all I know of before, Good to know there are other brands. Now I am waiting for Scott3886 to do the experiment.

You notice those knitted cables are better than the single wire cables?

I did it with two run of the same cable. That's all I have of the OCOS and unlikely to buy more. I'm not going to do with different types of cable.
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I did it with two run of the same cable. That's all I have of the OCOS and unlikely to buy more. I'm not going to do with different types of cable.

How come?

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That make me feel a lot better. I am not "for" Kimber per say, My theory is for multiple small wires to minimize inductance. Kimble is all I know of before, Good to know there are other brands. Now I am waiting for Scott3886 to do the experiment.


You notice those knitted cables are better than the single wire cables?

all my speaker cables are braided...some have silver some pure copper...take that back, have some flat cables also. I decided on braided/knitted cables 15 yrs ago or so. need to try braided flat cables still...i cant say better or worse...just settle with different
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I like solide core cables...

I regret abit the Xtz 10.17 class D amp.

It gets wery hot and many has broke down.

But good warranty ICE amp if it breakes.

And if warranty expires.

ICE watt for 150 bucks
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all my speaker cables are braided...some have silver some pure copper...take that back, have some flat cables also. I decided on braided/knitted cables 15 yrs ago or so. need to try braided flat cables still...i cant say better or worse...just settle with different

You ever run into amp instability? It is well known that this kind of cable will make some power amps unstable. My PA-7 is one of those. Those cables are very high capacitance. They can be over 5000pF. The PA-7 make strange humming sound, I had to keep turning on and off to get rid of it. When my friend listened to it, he immediately said the amp sounded like having ringing on some notes.

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I regret this one too. I gave it to my neighbor with all of 10 movies that I had. I bet on the wrong horse!

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I wouldn't buy one for MY theater, but I heard the Polk PSW10 at a buddy's house and was impressed enough that I bought one for my office. For $100 it works well in that environment in a 5.1 setup. Better than any of the other < $200 subwoofers I've had in my life.

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my amps have 0 noise that I can tell...only issues I have had was one amp goes into protect mode earlier than other...but thats at over 0 mv...like over 115db w/out subs...too loud

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How come?

Because I'm done.
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I regret every speaker I've bought up to the present. If I didn't why would I have bought new speakers?

Seriously, it took a while for me to stop nibbling my way to an end game speaker. I needed to learn a lot about what I liked, how speakers work and how room acoustics work. I'm there on my living room speakers, but I'm not sure if I'm there on my media room speakers because ... well, I don't have a media room yet or the new house it goes in. But I have the speakers for it.

I made the mistake I think a lot of people make. They spend more money nibbling their way to the top instead of just getting the speakers they really want ... within the reasonable Law of Diminishing Returns and their pay grade.
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Bose speakers specifically 2 301 IV and 2 701 VI fortunately no longer here.

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Because I'm done.
Try it the next time you play with it. It's easy.

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Try it the next time you play with it. It's easy.
No

Next I'm going to go back through my TT setup and recheck everything. It's been a long time.
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A DSPeaker Anti-Mode 8033S-II. It gets great reviews but only made my low end sound worst. Worked with it for a few days and then put it away in frustration. Pulled it out last summer and still did not like the results. It may be a good product but it did not work for me. I really need to sell it one of these days before I get temped to try again and end in frustration ... again.
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I have the Velodyne SMS-1, which is a similar product that, come to think of it, I also regret buying. I used it to tune my Sunfire sub to the room in my 2-channel music only system. The product itself works great and did smooth out the bass, but I think inserting DSP into the subwoofer channel adds a very slight delay relative to the main speakers. The bass was better balanced but wasn't as tight. I left it in the system because I spent quite a bit of time tuning it, but was never too happy with the sound.

Oh man, you guys are making me feel bad. Turns out I bought BOTH those units - a DSPeaker Anti-mode and the Velodyne SMS-1 - in case I need to room-correct my subs whenever I get around to putting them in my system!
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Oh man, you guys are making me feel bad. Turns out I bought BOTH those units - a DSPeaker Anti-mode and the Velodyne SMS-1 - in case I need to room-correct my subs whenever I get around to putting them in my system!

I replaced my old Velodyne with the Rythmik, I am sure it's a DSP as it's a higher model, I love it. Just a matter adjusting the delay. I don't think DSP is the problem, those computer speed is so fast I don't think it will create enough delay to be noticeable particular for bass frequency.
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Oh man, you guys are making me feel bad. Turns out I bought BOTH those units - a DSPeaker Anti-mode and the Velodyne SMS-1 - in case I need to room-correct my subs whenever I get around to putting them in my system!
What vzphoneman and I meant to say was that these things work great only if you have a pair of each -- then they are fantastic! This could be your lucky day as a I have a feeling both of us could be persuaded to let you have them for 5% off original retail.

Actually I'm sure these units are fine, just didn't fit in my 2-channel system where I mostly play really mellow jazz (Chet Baker, Jim Hall, etc.) that exposes everything. I'm sure it would have been great in my 7.1 system.
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What vzphoneman and I meant to say was that these things work great only if you have a pair of each -- then they are fantastic! This could be your lucky day as a I have a feeling both of us could be persuaded to let you have them for 5% off original retail.

Actually I'm sure these units are fine, just didn't fit in my 2-channel system where I mostly play really mellow jazz (Chet Baker, Jim Hall, etc.) that exposes everything. I'm sure it would have been great in my 7.1 system.

Actually I have the Dual core, made for two subwoofers.


(Thanks for the offer, though I suspect you meant to write 50% off original retail...?....)
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I replaced my old Velodyne with the Rythmik, I am sure it's a DSP as it's a higher model, I love it. Just a matter adjusting the delay. I don't think DSP is the problem, those computer speed is so fast I don't think it will create enough delay to be noticeable particular for bass frequency.
Rythmik doesn't use DSP.
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Rythmik doesn't use DSP.

I am surprised, but what I said still stands, computers are so much faster than audio particular at bass frequency I just don't think it's a problem. Even at 20KHz, the period is 50uS ( 1/20,000 second). 50uS is forever in computer speed.

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In 2000 I purchased a Bose 5.1 home theater in a box. I used it for about 1 month before taking it all down and boxing it up where it sat until 2015 when I cleaned it up, tested it and promptly sold it in a yard sale. Biggest POS I ever spent money on.

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