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Look, I know you're new here and all, but we've been through this hundreds if not thousands of times. All it results in is a locked thread.
I'm not looking for a locked thread.


But I'm not in favor of purveying nonsense, either. Nor am I saying anything that numerous others haven't said here and elsewhere.
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I'm not looking for a locked thread.


But I'm not in favor of purveying nonsense, either. Nor am I saying anything that numerous others haven't said here and elsewhere.
That's the issue …. hundreds and hundreds of times.
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That's the issue …. hundreds and hundreds of times.
Got any other tips for the "new guy"? I really don't appreciate your patronizing posts.
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Got any other tips for the "new guy"? I really don't appreciate your patronizing posts.
Good, then don't talk to me.
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"Musical Fidelity"

Yep, forgot about that. They do carry it.

At AXPONA, Luxman is in 580 and 582

http://www.axpona.com/exhibitors.asp

http://www.axpona.com/exhibitors.asp?list=brand

I think it's well worth it if you can go.
At Axpona I'm sure Luxman will be showing off their new TT the PD-151. Hopefully they'll have a live demo. Would like to hear your opinion. Has some of the same features that's in my PD-171A.
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At Axpona I'm sure Luxman will be showing off their new TT the PD-151. Hopefully they'll have a live demo. Would like to hear your opinion. Has some of the same features that's in my PD-171A.

As I have in the past, I'm doing a show report for the AVS homepage for the audio side of things and there's another group going to report on the HT, which I know nothing about. Mark Henninger can't go this year.

Hopefully, there will be others posting their observations in re the audio. This is more of a show-off show for the high-end industry and that's where my interests lie, although I can't afford much of it anymore. Plus, I've got my extreme high-end friend flying in to C-Bus to drive up and go to the show with me. More distractions this year so I'm going to try to hit most of the high-end brands and see old friend in the business. It's doubtful I'll get around to every room this year. I just hope there are a couple of others who are willing to post from the show.
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At this point I think I'm pretty set on the Luxman (as I can't find a Technics dealer anywhere in my area to give their new integrated a listen). Matter of fact, I will probably be ordering it within the next week or so.
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I'd go with a set of speakers first, then fill out the rest of the system, catering to those speakers/your taste. To me, getting the amp first is going about it backward.

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I'd go with a set of speakers first, then fill out the rest of the system, catering to those speakers/your taste. To me, getting the amp first is going about it backward.
I don't mean to be rude, but this thread is about an amp...not speakers.

I've got the speakers covered already.
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I don't mean to be rude, but this thread is about an amp...not speakers.

I've got the speakers covered already.
Yes, it's your money so even if it makes zero sense to anyone else you get to make the call.

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Different speakers are coming later, DAC and turntable I already have. Right now I want to focus on amplification. This is why I didn't put specifics, but I should have known that someone would attempt to read between the lines. Likely those speakers won't be Klipsch or anything with a horn, so I want to get an amp that can handle 4 ohm loads, if I go that route.

And you cannot buy any amp that sounds what I'd call "great" for around $1K. That's just laughable. You can get "good" for that price, but I already have a lot of "good".
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I don't mean to be rude, but this thread is about an amp...not speakers.

I've got the speakers covered already.
I know you want to talk only about amp, but from scanning through some of the posts, I don't see what speaker do you have. Speakers does make a difference what amp you use. Usually people nail the pair of speaker and then the amp.

Not all amps can drive 4ohm even they might said so. 4 ohm speakers can dip way below 4ohm ( like 2ohm), you need amps with more pairs of output transistors and bigger heatsink. If you have 8ohm speaker, it's easier on the amp.

Either if you have the speakers, let us know what they are. If you have not buy the speakers yet, I have to agree with Rayguy that you need to look for the speaker first.

If you are sure you are going to buy a pair of 4ohm speakers, then yes, you need to look for amps with more pairs of output transistors and with bigger heatsink.


Also, my rough rule of thumb is the amp should cost between 50% to 60% of the cost of the pair of speakers. Speakers define the sound, amp just bring the best out of the speaker. There is no point of getting an amp that is the same or more expensive than the speakers.

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I don't mean to be rude, but this thread is about an amp...not speakers.

They aren't independent, but you already know that.

I've got the speakers covered already.
What did you get?
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What did you get?

In the next year, there will more than likely be 3-4 different sets of speakers on this amp (a couple of those will be custom DIY builds that I will do--here's hoping for a BMR kit sometime soon), perhaps more if something else comes along that I like. That's why I don't want to focus on one specific speaker, yet this seems to be a mental hurdle for some folks in here.

An nice amp is not something I will replace in 6 months, but with speakers...I'm not set on anything and I will probably just see where things take me. I have a certain sound signature that I like so we can rule out anything Klipsch or any speaker that's "clinical" or bright. And probably not any type of ESL's in this location.

I'm sure this won't be good enough for folks because X has to be defined, but that's fine.
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Luxman is certainly a good choice, but the prices are a bit steep. Personally I don' think a person needs to spend $4,000 on an amp, but if I were in that price range, this would certainly top my list -

Luxman L-505uXII Integrated Amp, 100w/ch - $4,495 -

https://www.musicdirect.com/integrat...ated-Amplifier

http://luxman.com/product/detail.php?id=2









There are other Luxman amps but for small increases in power, the cost jumps substantially. And the Luxman L-505uXII is already over budget by about $500.

Here is the next Luxman amp above the L-505 -

Luxman L-507uXII Integrated Amp, 110w/ch - $6,495 -


https://www.musicdirect.com/integrat...ated-Amplifier

http://luxman.com/product/detail.php?id=4

A pretty substantial jump in price for 10 extra watts per channel.

Still in the roughly $4,000 range, Luxman would be very high on my personal list of choices.

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PS Audio Stellar M700 Mono Amplifier
$3,000 MSRP for a pair and definitely hits above its weight
No personal experience but definitely on my short list when I upgrade to separates next.
Great reviews across the board and designed to be smooth and tube like despite being Class D.
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Luxman is certainly a good choice, but the prices are a bit steep. Personally I don' think a person needs to spend $4,000 on an amp, but if I were in that price range, this would certainly top my list -

Luxman L-505uXII Integrated Amp, 100w/ch - $4,495 -

https://www.musicdirect.com/integrat...ated-Amplifier
Yep, that's the one I had my eye on. 100WPC @ 8ohms and 150 @ 4 should be plenty for what I need it to do. Plus, the power meters, adjustable bass/treble with actual knobs, loudness button, etc...it's like a modern version of a 70's Marantz (which I have a huge soft-spot for).


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PS Audio Stellar M700 Mono Amplifier
$3,000 MSRP for a pair and definitely hits above its weight
No personal experience but definitely on my short list when I upgrade to separates next.
Great reviews across the board and designed to be smooth and tube like despite being Class D.
twin power amps would call for a slightly different configuration and not sure I want to go that route in this spot in the house. Plus, I've only heard one class D amp that sounded "tubey" or like a 70's solid state receiver, and ironically enough that's a $30 Tripath-chipped class D that I have. I've not heard the PS Audio stuff, so that's not to say that theirs do not.

Also class D, I was looking at the Marantz PM Ki-ruby, but from all reports that's not a warm sounding amp in the Marantz tradition (even though folks have said it sounds great). Just not a lot of reviews on that one.
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If you're open to the used market, $4,000 can get you some pretty smooth amplifiers for the money. A quick perusal of Audiogon:
Bryston 4b3
Bryston 3b3
PS Audio BHK 250
McIntosh MC152
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it couldn't hurt to explore some offerings from Rogue Audio, such as their Pharaoh integrated.

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Iss...ue_pharaoh.htm
Just saw this a few minutes before seeing your post -> https://allentown.craigslist.org/ele...896214539.html
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If you're open to the used market, $4,000 can get you some pretty smooth amplifiers for the money. A quick perusal of Audiogon:
Bryston 4b3
Bryston 3b3
PS Audio BHK 250
McIntosh MC152
Krell, Mark Levinson also. I will get used if I buy one. High end power amps have not change much since the 80s after the new generation power transistors came out, a 30 years old power amp is as good as the new ones. People just want it new and dump the old power amps out. You can get one like half price or better. You don't need $4000, $2000 will get you a really good one already. I almost bought a Krell KSA250 for about $1900. I didn't not because it's not good, It's a class A amp that burn 1300W just sitting there. Not only it burn a lot of electricity, it heat up the room and I have to have the air on to listen. That's a lot of expense in the long term. But it was a good price.

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twin power amps would call for a slightly different configuration and not sure I want to go that route in this spot in the house. Plus, I've only heard one class D amp that sounded "tubey" or like a 70's solid state receiver, and ironically enough that's a $30 Tripath-chipped class D that I have. I've not heard the PS Audio stuff, so that's not to say that theirs do not.
There are a lot of virtue going monoblock, they have completely separate power supplies and grounding. A lot of high end amps are literally dual monoblock in one chassis. I change my amps to dual monoblock with completely separate power supplies. I hear improvement.

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Benchmark AHB2

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https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...ahb2-amp.7628/

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I read that review just before seeing your post. Crazy stuff.
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The spec is amazing, it's hard to believe it. I am working so hard just to push 0.002% [email protected] and still not quite the output power this spec at 4ohm. Wish I have a chance to listen to one.


For $3000, it's a very good price in my book if the spec is real.

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Benchmark has always made some of the most technically sound equipment. If I were in the market for a new amp in this price range I would not hesitate on ordering the AHB2.

I wish Benchmark had a more affordable line of toned-down Amps and DACs, but they have at least earned their justification for pricing high.
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Then a guy in the comment section gives his review of the NAD M22 compared to the AHB2 and gives the M22 a tiny edge (his personal opinion).

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Anyone actually verify the spec of the Benchmark? I was thinking about how low the THD they spec, 0.0003%@20KHz for 4ohm at 27Vrms, That's like close to 200W. I researched into opamps that are used in preamps by Analog Devices, Texas Instrument and others, They are about 0.0008% give and take. These are small signal IC only, they are a lot ( I mean a lot) easier to design by the nature of their application. They only spec to drive 600ohm only, they only swing about 15Vrms. It's a different world compare to power amp at Benchmark specified. If the industry BEST cannot achieve 0.0003% even at such relaxed driving requirement, that make me wonder whether anyone actually verify their claims.


Too bad there's no way to verify unless you actually buy one and put it under test. I don't even know my equipment can even test down to 0.0003%. It would be nice to have a 3rd party independently test and verify the spec. I am still searching for their patent on the Feed Forward cancellation design. I tried THX Achromatic Audio Amplifier and have no luck. If anyone know the name of their patent, please let me know. I have no luck with "THX AAA technology" either.

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Follow the second link in my post for an independent test report.

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