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Scotth3886 04-19-2019 02:05 PM

Integrated Amp Suggestions - Just ordered Magnepan LRSs
 
My current Yamaha AS301 in my budget system isn't likely to do very well with these so I'm thinking of a Parasound Halo integrated.

Since I'm a budget minded consumer these days, I'd like to keep this under $2,500.

What other integrateds should I also be thinking about in the $1,500 - $2,500 price range? NO AVRs. I have no issue with late model used. I prefer silver faced. Sub outs are needed and also pre-outs so I can run the subs in stereo if I choose. Speaker A and B selectors are also needed because I'll also run the master bedroom speakers from this amp. Good DAC also because I'll mostly use Tidal. Good Phono stage too. The current Elac F6.2s will be moved to the bedroom. The Yamaha AS301 will be moved to spare bedroom to create system number five.

Russdawg1 04-19-2019 02:11 PM

Arcam SA20? Not 100% sure it has all the bells and whistles you seek. But it’s at the bottom of your range if you’d like to save some money.

Also if you want the halo integrated why not consider the Separates of P6 + A23+? It’s the same price with supposedly better performance, no?

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Russdawg1 (Post 57926098)
Arcam SA20? Not 100% sure it has all the bells and whistles you seek. But it’s at the bottom of your range if you’d like to save some money.

Also if you want the halo integrated why not consider the Separates of P6 + A23+? It’s the same price with supposedly better performance, no?

Arcam SA20 could be of interest if it has the chit on it that I want. I may be a lil less interested in it because It's now Harman.

The Parasound P6 and A23 I just hadn't thought of. I probably prefer an integrated these days, but separate amp and preamp could be of interest.

I already have the Hegel integrated so no Hegel. I want something different in each system.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 02:29 PM

Arcam SA20 is class G and only 90 wpc and doesn't have a 4 ohm rating. I'd have to pass on that one. Maggies are one speaker that appreciates power/current and Wendell was doing the demo with 300 wpc at 4ohm. Parasound is 160 / 240 so that's closer to what I think I'll need.

Knucklehead90 04-19-2019 02:43 PM

This might work. Silver face and plenty of grunt.

grasshoppers 04-19-2019 02:47 PM

The Outlaw Audio 2160 meets all of your requirements, but is under your budget.;):D
Seriously, a very good receiver, I use the older 2150 in my 2-channel system.


https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2160.html

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 (Post 57926246)
This might work. Silver face and plenty of grunt.

No Yamaha as I already have one. They generally don't have the balls at low impedance for this load plus I also want an integrated that I can use on the ESLs once in a while. That said, I've been quite happy with the Yamaha with the Elacs.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by grasshoppers (Post 57926258)
The Outlaw Audio 2160 meets all of your requirements, but is under your budget.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Seriously, a very good receiver, I use the older 2150 in my 2-channel system.


https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2160.html

Upwards of 300 wpc at 4 ohms? Since whatever I get will occasionally be used on the ESLs, I stay away from HT brands and AVRs. I'm more thinking of direct competitors to the Parasound, looking for integrateds that I haven't thought of.

grasshoppers 04-19-2019 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotth3886 (Post 57926342)
Upwards of 300 wpc at 4 ohms? Since whatever I get will occasionally be used on the ESLs, I stay away from HT brands and AVRs. I'm more thinking of direct competitors to the Parasound, looking for integrateds that I haven't thought of.

Apologies, I had no idea that your power requirements were 300 wpc @ 4ohms.
That's even more than the Halo @ 240wpc though.

FWIW-Steve Guttenberg reviewed the 2160 with 3 different models of Magnepan's
And didn't note any deficiencies or issues.

https://www.cnet.com/news/outlaw-aud...reo-receivers/

Best of luck!

Russdawg1 04-19-2019 03:22 PM

I’m not a huge fan of them, but what about Emotiva? Their XPA amps should fit the bill, or even the DR1 monoblocks if you want to spend a bit more. There’s plenty of them circulated on the used market but that’s a reason to be cautious of them.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by grasshoppers (Post 57926394)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scotth3886 (Post 57926342)
Upwards of 300 wpc at 4 ohms? Since whatever I get will occasionally be used on the ESLs, I stay away from HT brands and AVRs. I'm more thinking of direct competitors to the Parasound, looking for integrateds that I haven't thought of.

Apologies, I had no idea that your power requirements were 300 wpc @ 4ohms.
That's even more than the Halo @ 240wpc though.

FWIW-Steve Guttenberg reviewed the 2160 with 3 different models of Magnepan's
And didn't note any deficiencies or issues.

https://www.cnet.com/news/outlaw-aud...reo-receivers/

Best of luck!

Wendell's 'secret' prototype amp that he was using for the demo happened to be 300 wpc at 4. So that's where I pulled that number. As a general rule, Maggies and MLs do better with an amp that doubles power from 8 to 4 and then increases and is stable into 2 ohm.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Russdawg1 (Post 57926406)
I’m not a huge fan of them, but what about Emotiva? Their XPA amps should fit the bill, or even the DR1 monoblocks if you want to spend a bit more. There’s plenty of them circulated on the used market but that’s a reason to be cautious of them.

Separates are fine. It's that I need the A and B speaker selector so I can also power the master bedroom speakers.

alan0354 04-19-2019 04:20 PM

I can't find the schematic of Parasound Halo Hint 6 integrated amp. I did studied the Parasound Halo A21 power amp schematic, it's very good. I don't know whether you can use that to imply on the integrated amp. If you are willing to go separate, A21 would be what I would suggest.


You said you are open to used, I don't know whether you would entertain Adcom GFA565 monoblock or GFA5800. I am very impressed with Adcom even thought the name Adcom is not as big. If I were to buy another reference amp, it would be either the 565 or Krell KSA.



Yes, I won't go Yamaha.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 04:32 PM

Also thought of the Musical Fidelity MS6, but it's only got connections for one pair of speakers.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 04:41 PM

Parasound Halo integrated is looking to be the only one that fits, plus it's available in silver.

Out-Of-Phase 04-19-2019 04:48 PM

Yamaha.

accessoriesforless

That Parasound is expensive and is going to be noisy. You'll be sorry.

torii 04-19-2019 04:48 PM

peachtree audio just came out with a new 500watt model I think. simaudio moon neo ace is very nice sounding, but would have to demo as its only 50w...underated 50 maybe.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Out-Of-Phase (Post 57926750)
Yamaha.

accessoriesforless

That Parasound is expensive and is going to be noisy. You'll be sorry.

No Yamaha. Need to double power or nearly so from 8 to 4 ohms. Plus, I already have one. I've heard Yamaha with ESLs before and I do not like. I want to be able to also use this with ELSs if that situation arises in the future.

Out-Of-Phase 04-19-2019 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotth3886 (Post 57926784)
No Yamaha. Need to double power or nealy so from 8 to 4 ohms. Plus, I already have one. I've heard Yamaha with ESLs before and I do not like. I want to be able to also use this with ELSs if that situation arises in the future.

Make sure the dealer you purchase that Parasound from has a good return policy.

Out-Of-Phase 04-19-2019 05:03 PM

https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/2200.html

Dual mono power amps, class A/B, quiet, powerful, well built, cheap. Need I say more.

There are a lot of options for a preamp out there.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Out-Of-Phase (Post 57926844)
https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/2200.html

Dual mono power amps, class A/B, quiet, powerful, well built, cheap. Need I say more.

There are a lot of options for a preamp out there.


Need a speaker A and B selector. Unfortunately, that eliminates just about all separates.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Out-Of-Phase (Post 57926798)
Make sure the dealer you purchase that Parasound from has a good return policy.


Not that I've really looked, but I've heard nothing about Parasound reliability issues.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Out-Of-Phase (Post 57926750)
Yamaha.

accessoriesforless

That Parasound is expensive and is going to be noisy. You'll be sorry.


That's the first place I looked.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 06:42 PM

Crap !!!! The Parasound has only one set of speaker outputs.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 06:58 PM

Well, now, back looking at the Outlaw

Knucklehead90 04-19-2019 07:18 PM

The only Outlaw product I've owned (to date) is their 7075 which I used in an HT environment with a Yamaha CX-A5000. It drove a center, surrounds, and a zone 2. Nice little amp. I just didn't care for all the cables needed to make it all work.



How about an Emotiva XSP-1? Gen I or II, hardly any difference other than the cosmetics. I've owned 2 of them over the years, one of each. Very transparent, and (for me) is very flexible. You would also need a decent DAC since it is pure analog input. I found the phono section to be quite good, MM only since I don't have a MC cart. You could feed a second amp for your A/B speakers by splitting the RCA output. Just turn on/off the 'B' speaker amp when not needed. The older XPA-2 gen I and II amps are pretty tough, I've never heard of anyone running out of power with them. I've owned an XPA-5 and XPA-2 years ago. Never had any complaints with either.



Another amp to look for - Acurus. I've owned several of them in the past. Very quiet, and never seemed to run out of steam. The A200 was the sweet spot IMO. The A250 is almost never seen for sale these days but would also be an excellent choice. A buddy of mine had an A250 for many years, when it died he bought an Emotiva XPA-200. He's very happy with it. The 'youngest' Acurus made by Mondial is over 20yo IIRC. If I hadn't bought the Yamaha 1000 I'd probably still have the A100x3 Acurus for the front 3 speakers.



Enjoy the search, it's at least half the fun, and no worries, we'll help you spend your money! That's almost as much fun as spending my own money.

Scotth3886 04-19-2019 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 (Post 57927310)
The only Outlaw product I've owned (to date) is their 7075 which I used in an HT environment with a Yamaha CX-A5000. It drove a center, surrounds, and a zone 2. Nice little amp. I just didn't care for all the cables needed to make it all work.

How about an Emotiva XSP-1? Gen I or II, hardly any difference other than the cosmetics. I've owned 2 of them over the years, one of each. Very transparent, and (for me) is very flexible. You would also need a decent DAC since it is pure analog input. I found the phono section to be quite good, MM only since I don't have a MC cart. You could feed a second amp for your A/B speakers by splitting the RCA output. Just turn on/off the 'B' speaker amp when not needed. The older XPA-2 gen I and II amps are pretty tough, I've never heard of anyone running out of power with them. I've owned an XPA-5 and XPA-2 years ago. Never had any complaints with either.

Another amp to look for - Acurus. I've owned several of them in the past. Very quiet, and never seemed to run out of steam. The A200 was the sweet spot IMO. The A250 is almost never seen for sale these days but would also be an excellent choice. A buddy of mine had an A250 for many years, when it died he bought an Emotiva XPA-200. He's very happy with it. The 'youngest' Acurus made by Mondial is over 20yo IIRC. If I hadn't bought the Yamaha 1000 I'd probably still have the A100x3 Acurus for the front 3 speakers.

Enjoy the search, it's at least half the fun, and no worries, we'll help you spend your money! That's almost as much fun as spending my own money.


"You could feed a second amp for your A/B speakers"

Come to think of it, I guess I could use a speaker switch box on any of them?

The Outlaw comes closest to have the feature set I want, but I think I would still prefer the Parasound.

Knucklehead90 04-19-2019 08:02 PM

The only Parasound product I've owned is the preamp 2100. Nice preamp, simple and easy to use. Between the 2100 or the XSP-1 I'd take the XSP-1, mainly for the nice display. The 2100 has tiny little LEDs that are hard to see, and the silkscreened front is difficult to read unless you're very close. But I don't think you were referring to the 2100, right?

Russdawg1 04-19-2019 08:06 PM

I’ve only owned one single Parasound product and temporarily.

It was the NewClassic 275v2 Power amp.

That thing changed my system. A single $600 power amp. I returned it because after listening to it for a week I realized that Parasound was the real deal and I needed to go bigger. That thing was so heavy, I did not question the quality of components or fabrication for a second.

I’m hoping to get the P6 + A21+ combo in the near future.

m. zillch 04-19-2019 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotth3886 (Post 57927336)
Come to think of it, I guess I could use a speaker switch box on any of them?

Yes that should work fine although few offer remote control, should you care.

Also keep in mind if you use features like balance and x-over filtration for the mains it is unlikely you'll happen to like the exact same setting for both pairs of speakers, A and B. This would be especially problematic if you have to spin the integrated amp around every time you need to re-set the x-over controls merely because you are switching to the alternate pair.
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Off topic: Do people still use balance controls? I constantly need to reset the balance so the center stage is perfectly center stage, which varies from recording to recording. I'm frustrated that hardly any headphone amps out there offer balance.


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