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Improve your soundstage - New Record Day Setup Method

For all the people who just plopped their speakers down on the front wall and called it a day, give this a try! You've never heard what your rig can do.




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Follow up video on how your room, placement, and speaker design affects soundstaging abilities.




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Having ones speakers disappear within the soundstage and in ones room has been a design goal of mine ever since hearing a pair of Audio Physic Tempo's at an audio shop some 20 years ago, which completely disappeared within the room. A speaker I subsequently bought soon afterwards, though over at Audiogon at less than half price. My current speakers thankfully, are nearly as good doing so. Eyes closed, you can not pinpoint where the speakers are. Nice.

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Having ones speakers disappear within the soundstage and in ones room has been a design goal of mine ever since hearing a pair of Audio Physic Tempo's at an audio shop some 20 years ago. A speaker I subsequently bought soon afterwards, though over at Audiogon at less than half price. My current speakers thankfully, are nearly as good doing so. Eyes closed, you can not pinpoint where the speakers are. Nice.

Funny, I posted the vid over in a Harman fanboi forum a few days ago.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post58213846

However, there are no measurements required to make this work. I made note of the number of views at that time on youtube. Appears just about no one was interested enough to watch it.

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BUT we were told sound stage is ALL in your heads.
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BUT we were told sound stage is ALL in your heads.

Indeed ! That's why I posted what I did where I did. View count on youtube only went up by 3.
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I don't think most "home theater" guys know what a soundstage created by 2 speakers is. I know I sure didn't until I heard a properly set up high end system.
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I don't think most "home theater" guys know what a soundstage created by 2 speakers is. I know I sure didn't until I heard a properly set up high end system.
I went from 5.1 back to 2channel because 5.1 just doesn't have the sound stage of the 2.1!!! I had the same JM Lab as front speaker, it's just the center channel that really bugs me. I don't like the way they put the voice in the center channel. I like to listen as if they talk in 3D space.

I don't listen to music!!! My system is 100% ( well 99.9% as I use music for blind testing with people, that amount to 0.1%!!!) watching tv, just network tv shows like NCIS etc. The sound is so so important that I spend all the effort on the system. It's the sound stage that I am looking for.

I find listen to conversation is even more critical on the system than music. I find human voice is harder to reproduce than any musical instruments. If you get the system right, you can hear the voice rock solid, you can understand what they say very clear. Any phase shift between the L and R will muddy up the voice and sound funny. This applies to singers. We test with singers like Dianna Krall, Andrea Bochari ( spelling). You can hear all the imperfection if anything is wrong with the system. You turn the speaker a few degrees and the sound is off. Speakers location and angle make a big difference.

Believe it or not, I was experimenting on low inductance speaker cables, I literally took apart one end of my home made speaker cable and twist the wires in a new way and it sounded very different that from DBT over the weekend, people can hear it. I am talking about same wires, same connectors, just different twist pattern of the cable!!! Mainly sounded like different phase shift like turning and moving the speakers!!! This is a learning experience to me too. Maybe I did it wrong, I should use only one speaker to test!!!

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I don't think most "home theater" guys know what a soundstage created by 2 speakers is. I know I sure didn't until I heard a properly set up high end system.

At AXPONA, I ended up in the JTR room for their two channel demo and frankly no, not remotely close. Does not come close to doing what I expect.

We're just operating in two very different universes.
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