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Pioneer vs. Onkyo vs. Yamaha - Sound differences

Looking at the budget options of these amps to power Wharfedale speakers at our vacation home. Will be streaming to Chromecast Audio.

I don't really have the ability to test them beforehand. Anyone have any opinions on the sound attributes of these amps/receivers? I like a warm laid back sound generally.

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Out of the three, Yamaha, all day long.

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I’d go Onkyo or Yamaha, choose based on features, not sound differences. Mainly because there are almost none.
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Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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This one is really reasonably priced. Yamaha R-S202BL Stereo Receiver

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EMQI2CU..._xBV2Eb1Q82RBF
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This one is really reasonably priced. Yamaha R-S202BL Stereo Receiver

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EMQI2CU..._xBV2Eb1Q82RBF
Got one of these for my niece last year from Accessories 4 Less for $99...Love it! Sounds great!
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I've owned several Onkyo stereo receivers, and a few Yamaha receivers too. I'd recommend either brand, but I do lean towards Yamaha. Got two in the MLP, and one in the bedroom. That 202 should do you just fine.
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Any will probably be fine for your purpose; I'm happy with my Pioneer though it's a higher end unit than you're looking to buy. My personal opinion is that you shouldn't listen to those who say there are "almost no sound differences between receivers"; again, happy with my Pioneer, but it sounds NOTHING like my Arcam, which sounded NOTHING like my Panasonic, which sounded NOTHING like my Onkyo, which sounded NOTHING like my vintage JVC......
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This one is really reasonably priced. Yamaha R-S202BL Stereo Receiver

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EMQI2CU..._xBV2Eb1Q82RBF

You buy from Amazon, their return policy is quite generous, although this particular one doesn't offer free return. Try look for one that offer free return. As much as I hate Bezos, I love Amazon. I must be ordering 4 or 5 things a week, from vitamins, to 82" LED tv, to furniture, exercise equip, groceries............you name it, I ordered from Amazon.............Hell, even a garden tiller!!!. They have very good return, I have not pay for return for a long time already.


You cannot ask which one is better, you have to like it. Just buy one with free return ( Amazon likely). Try it for a few days, don't like it, return it.
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Best Buy has the same model for less, and if it wasn't, would price match Amazon. I think they ship as well, but you could return at a store.
BB also has a Sony model in the same price range, and an Insignia that looks pretty clearly to be made by Sony.
The Pioneer in the same price range has less than half the listed power than the others.

If you prefer mail order, a google shopping search would turn up other sellers with the same BB price.

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This one is really reasonably priced. Yamaha R-S202BL Stereo Receiver

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EMQI2CU..._xBV2Eb1Q82RBF
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Best Buy has the same model for less, and if it wasn't, would price match Amazon. I think they ship as well, but you could return at a store.
BB also has a Sony model in the same price range, and an Insignia that looks pretty clearly to be made by Sony.
The Pioneer in the same price range has less than half the listed power than the others.

If you prefer mail order, a google shopping search would turn up other sellers with the same BB price.

Yes, if there's a BB close by, that's even better. Only problem, are they open during the pandemic. I have a UPS close by, return for Amazon is super easy for me.
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This one is really reasonably priced. Yamaha R-S202BL Stereo Receiver

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EMQI2CU..._xBV2Eb1Q82RBF

If your budget is ~$129 then not sure any of them will sound or be better than another. You're swimming in the extreme shallow end.

Personally, I owned that Yamaha receiver for about a week before I returned it. Given the way it was built and sounded, you'd be better off with a 2-3 year old mid-fi AVR from craigslist.
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If your budget is ~$129 then not sure any of them will sound or be better than another. You're swimming in the extreme shallow end.

Personally, I owned that Yamaha receiver for about a week before I returned it. Given the way it was built and sounded, you'd be better off with a 2-3 year old mid-fi AVR from craigslist.

I agree, I am strong advocate of buying used even for high end stuffs. People always like new stuff, marketing knows this too. Particular the older ones are just as good and less than 1/2 original price. I just bought a very nice pair of speakers for 1/3 the original price!!
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I agree, I am strong advocate of buying used even for high end stuffs. People always like new stuff, marketing knows this too. Particular the older ones are just as good and less than 1/2 original price. I just bought a very nice pair of speakers for 1/3 the original price!!
That's an excellent point and I completely agree. The problem is that I don't know what is good in the used market. For example, I really like Marantz but when looking on eBay I'm not sure which ones are the great deals on great amps or bad amps with average prices....
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That's an excellent point and I completely agree. The problem is that I don't know what is good in the used market. For example, I really like Marantz but when looking on eBay I'm not sure which ones are the great deals on great amps or bad amps with average prices....

That you have to do research, find out what is the original price. Marantz is definitely a step up in my book. I don't know for the money, it's worth your time to research and wait or whatever, I spent quite a bit on my speakers, I actually research, offer low, got rejected a few times and finally landed on a very good deal. I love it. So, it's all up to you.


They have a lot on ebay that you can make offer, make low offer, if you get rejected a few times, you'll know what is a good price.
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I just looked on ebay, I can't find Marantz, but there are quite a few Pioneers
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...t=nc&_udhi=200
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It's anecdotal, but I too will say that for your specific needs, a Yamaha tends to have that description. I've done Onkyo, Denon, Pioneer and Yamaha and by far the Yamaha just has the signature sound that I like best, for a natural house curve approach (warm, not too bright).

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There is no "house signature sound" anymore in such budget amps. That particular $129 Yamaha sounds even more sterile and less dynamic than its larger brothers. It plays music ok, but that's about it.

I honestly think the chinese class D amps (like the SMSL's and such) sound just as good as those budget models from the major OEM's.
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There is no "house signature sound" anymore in such budget amps. That particular $129 Yamaha sounds even more sterile and less dynamic than its larger brothers. It plays music ok, but that's about it.

I honestly think the chinese class D amps (like the SMSL's and such) sound just as good as those budget models from the major OEM's.
I hate to agree with you too, at this price range, brand is not important. I go a step further, I'd buy used and not worry about brands, get the best features and stay below $200.
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Get a used Yamaha RX-V1800/3800 or RX-V1900/3900 AVR and use that instead. These are power houses, especially when running only 2 channels and you will gett far better performance for cheaper then what you are looking for. No house sound either. Just clear clean dynamic power.

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