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Seeking 2 Channel Guidance

Hello,

I am diving in to separate 2 channel listening and want to set up a hifi setup with my budget constraints. I just had a few questions that I cant seem to find answers for and was hoping you could help, please. This is in regards to Zone 2 used for my Hifi (bedroom) and whether I should purchase a separate system ($1000 budget) instead of zone 2. My music source is streaming via spotify connect via Denon Heos App.

My setup: Main Room
DenonX4500H AVR 9 Channel with 11 Channel Processing capability
Outlaw Model 5000 5 Channel Amp
Klipsch RP280F Fronts
Klipsch RP450C Center
Klipsch RP150M Surrounds
SVS Prime Elevation Front/Rear Heights

My "music room" is a slice of our Master Bedroom:
JBL Studio 530s powered by 2 channels of the Outlaw model 5000

Here are my questions:
1. I have 120 watts of clean power powering my studio 530s and I have bass and treble control in zone 2 from the Denon app. Am I missing out on anything significant using zone 2 versus a dedicated amp in my bedroom with another prepro? For example, right now I cannot access pure direct in zone

2. I believe I have a full a full range source to Zone 2. I assume my speakers are running full range since i have no "Large or small," or crossover settings in Zone 2? Again, is this source any better or worse than a dedicated system?
3. My only thought is to buy another receiver (Denon X3600H) and use it as a pre-pro in my bedroom and buy a used 2 channel amp. If I invest into this separate system, would I hear any thing significantly better than my Zone 2 setup?
4. Any other ideas for $1,000?
5. On a side note, if I want to see how my Studio 530s sound in my main room, is there a way to hear them bypassing the audssey settings of my current speakers. My existing speakers are a specific distance from my listening position. I just want to set up my studio 530s next to my other speakers on the entertainment stand to see how they sound but I don't want them taking on the distance traits from audssey

Thank you all very much!

Robert
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Hello,

I am diving in to separate 2 channel listening and want to set up a hifi setup with my budget constraints. I just had a few questions that I cant seem to find answers for and was hoping you could help, please. This is in regards to Zone 2 used for my Hifi (bedroom) and whether I should purchase a separate system ($1000 budget) instead of zone 2. My music source is streaming via spotify connect via Denon Heos App.

My setup: Main Room
DenonX4500H AVR 9 Channel with 11 Channel Processing capability
Outlaw Model 5000 5 Channel Amp
Klipsch RP280F Fronts
Klipsch RP450C Center
Klipsch RP150M Surrounds
SVS Prime Elevation Front/Rear Heights

My "music room" is a slice of our Master Bedroom:
JBL Studio 530s powered by 2 channels of the Outlaw model 5000

Here are my questions:
1. I have 120 watts of clean power powering my studio 530s and I have bass and treble control in zone 2 from the Denon app. Am I missing out on anything significant using zone 2 versus a dedicated amp in my bedroom with another prepro? For example, right now I cannot access pure direct in zone

2. I believe I have a full a full range source to Zone 2. I assume my speakers are running full range since i have no "Large or small," or crossover settings in Zone 2? Again, is this source any better or worse than a dedicated system?
3. My only thought is to buy another receiver (Denon X3600H) and use it as a pre-pro in my bedroom and buy a used 2 channel amp. If I invest into this separate system, would I hear any thing significantly better than my Zone 2 setup?
4. Any other ideas for $1,000?
5. On a side note, if I want to see how my Studio 530s sound in my main room, is there a way to hear them bypassing the audssey settings of my current speakers. My existing speakers are a specific distance from my listening position. I just want to set up my studio 530s next to my other speakers on the entertainment stand to see how they sound but I don't want them taking on the distance traits from audssey

Thank you all very much!

Robert
Why get a Denon AVR for just to use as a pre-pro. Are you using Audyssey? If so, ok, but if not maybe just an integrated amplifier, or perhaps the Marantz NR1200 slimline receiver, or maybe the Yamaha N-R803, which also has room correction. I'm not sure in a bedroom you need a pre and dedicated amp. Maybe just an all in one solution.

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Why get a Denon AVR for just to use as a pre-pro. Are you using Audyssey? If so, ok, but if not maybe just an integrated amplifier, or perhaps the Marantz NR1200 slimline receiver, or maybe the Yamaha N-R803, which also has room correction. I'm not sure in a bedroom you need a pre and dedicated amp. Maybe just an all in one solution.
Thank you. I use Audyssey in the main room and may use it in the bedroom if I have it
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Why does the New System need to be connected to the Zone-2 of the existing system?

Also, what does this mean?

My "music room" is a slice of our Master Bedroom:
JBL Studio 530s powered by 2 channels of the Outlaw model 5000


Is this the system in the room you intend to add 2-Channels too? If it is, then why add a new 2-channels system? Why not just add Network Streaming to that existing system?

This is where I'm confused, is it the above the system that needs to be replaced, or is the above a completely separate unrelated system?

Also somewhat confused as to why you are using a 5-channel Power Amp for Stereo. Again, am I missing something?

Here are Denon Network Streaming Options -

https://usa.denon.com/en-us/category...rkaudioplayers

Denon DNP-800NE Hi-Res Network Audio Player - $599 -


https://usa.denon.com/en-us/shop/net...d=883795004558

Denon HEOS Link - $349 -

https://usa.denon.com/en-us/shop/net...slink_d?varId=

Denon DRA-800H Network Receiver, 100w/ch, AM/FM, 4k HDMI, DAC, ... - $499 -

https://usa.denon.com/en-us/shop/net...yers/dra800h_d

If the JBL/Outlaw is the system that needs to be improved, then just add Network Streaming.

Is there something I'm missing?

There are many other means of adding Network Streaming to an existing system - Yamaha, BlueSound, others... -, they don't necessarily have to be HEOS, but that would mean adding one more Control App to your Phone/Pad/Tablet. Depending on what you choose, it may or may not show up on your HEOS App. But, if so, simply open up the appropriate App and you can play music.

But, if you are determined to have the Main AV system, and the other 2-Channel system able to be sync'ed for common music playback, then just get the Denon Hi-Res Network Player ($599). The Denon DNP-800NE has both FIXED and VARIABLE outputs, so it could potentially be used as a Pre-Amp.

If you want a Stand Alone Pre-Amp plus Network Streaming, the can probably be arranged for a bit more than your stated budget -

https://emotiva.com/collections/pre-...roducts/ta-100

https://emotiva.com/collections/pre-amps/products/xsp-1

https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinf...number=PAZPRE3

https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinf...mber=PAC200PRE

https://www.abt.com/product/133967/R...-RC1572BK.html

But you could also just skip the Outlaw 5000 since most of it is being unused, and simply buy the 100w/ch Denon DRA-800HD Network Receiver ($499), which also has Network Capability.

https://usa.denon.com/en-us/shop/net...yers/dra800h_d

Sorry, but this is the Option that makes the most sense to me.

Again, I'm not 100% sure I understand the situation. If I am confused, please clarify.

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As an alternative, you could get the DENON PMA-800NE 85w/ch Amp and add the DENON DNP_800NE Network Player -

Denon PMA0800NE 85w/ch, DAC - $599 -

https://usa.denon.com/en-us/shop/amp...d=883795004534

Denon DNP-800NE Network Player - $599 -

https://usa.denon.com/en-us/shop/net...d=883795004558

You could do that, but how does that make more sense than simply buying the -

Denon DRA-800H Network Stereo Receiver, 100w/ch, HDMI, DAC, Network Streaming - $499 -

https://usa.denon.com/en-us/shop/net...a800h_d?varId=

If you want to make your system coordinated, that is if you want to control both spaces with a single Control App, then the above are the only thing that make sense.

But, do you really need to control both rooms at the same time? Do you really need the same music playing in both rooms in sync? If not, then there are many other Network Streaming Options to consider.

Here is the Compact Yamaha WXC-50 Network Streamer/-Pre-Amp. It has limited inputs, but it would give you basic Pre-Amp capability and Network Streaming for a very low cost.

Yamaha WXC-50 Network Streamer/Pre-Amp - $350 -

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_022WXC...ha-WXC-50.html

But if you are dedicated to Denon, then the DRA-800HD Network Receivers seems the only thing that makes logical and financial sense.

Nice as the Outlaw 5000 is, it is just complicating matters.

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Similar to above I have a Denon HEOS amp. I use it for a secondary system in my den, powering a set of JBL 530's and a subwoofer. Small form factor, decent power, can stream from multiple sources, play from a memory stick, has 1 or 2 analog inputs, bass and treble controls, plus a sub output. No room correction though. SVS and Sonus have similar units.
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