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Phono Preamp for my turntable and cartridge

I have a Denon DP-47F Turntable with Shure V15 Type V-MR cartridge, I’m not sure what the stylus is but what I have seems to be in good shape. After all this time I have no idea if these are decent components’ but I plan on using them to test my interest in getting back into vinyl and listening to my old record collections again now that I have a dedicated 2-channel setup. I found the original Shure case with alignment gauge and what looks like it could be an extra cartridge end. I'll keep looking for the stylus case.

What are some Phono Preamp options suitable for my turntable and cartridge? I am open to new or used.

I am currently using an Oppo HA-1 in Home Theater bypass mode and have XLR and RCA inputs available; I'd like to use the RCA for my Oppo BDP-103 but could use digital for the 103 I suppose.

XLR Balanced Audio Input (Input Impedance 15k ohm, Maximum Input Level 18 Vrms, +27.3 dBu (0 dBu = 0.775 Vrms)) and RCA Stereo Audio Input (Input Impedance 10k ohm, Maximum Input Level 9 Vrms, +21.3 dBu (0 dBu = 0.775 Vrms)).

I enjoyed the timing of the “Vinyl vs CD” Thread due to the coincidence of me hooking up my turntable that has sat idle for what may be decades.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/173-2...nyl-vs-cd.html

Here was my reply in that thread.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/173-2...l#post59865302

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not sure what your budget is but considering that your somewhat on the fence and just like my brother-in-law who recently went down the same path here's what he decided upon.........

https://www.schiit.com/products/mani

I must admit, it's a very competent little piece
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The DP-47 is a excellent TT. It was basically the last TT they produced before going to CD's. My only concern is the Shure cart. With its age. It may need replacing. Unfortunately Shure no longer makes carts but you may look on E-Bay it should be available. Shure's are excellent trackers and are quite good w/older LP's. I had a NAD phono w/my Shure 97XE and it was an excellent match. Have fun spinning records.
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Schiit Mani

https://www.schiit.com/products/mani...SABEgJ-4vD_BwE

If you want to save a few bucks try this one!!!.....ART DJ Pre II preamp.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...amplifier.html


Both are good & both have similar reviews...the ART as a light bulb that is bright, I just put a little piece of electrical tape over the bulb. Been using it for a couple months and happy with it.

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Thanks @twitch54 , @Class A , and @J Devil 666

I’ve realized I will not have RCA inputs on my HA-1 and will need to use XLR.

I would like to stay under $500 for a phono preamp with XLR.

I do have an unused Twinmatch HD or a Matchbox HD I have in use but could swap the Twinmax for. I think their performance for my application is the same.

Would the Twinmatch provide a pure connection or would a direct XLR connection be preferable?

https://henryeng.com/twinmatch-hd/

https://henryeng.com/matchbox-hd/

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The only $500 phono I know of is the Hafler PH60B. It retails for $549. However it only takes MC carts. So you'd have to give up the Shure. Being you have a Denon the Denon MC cart would be a natural choice for your TT. Price for the DL-103 cart is $299. That would make a great replacement over your Shure.

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The only $500 phono I know of is the Hafler PH60B. It retails for $549. However it only takes MC carts. So you'd have to give up the Shure. Being you have a Denon the Denon MC cart would be a natural choice for your TT. Price for the DL-103 cart is $299. That would make a great replacement over your Shure.
What about this?

https://parasound.com/zphono_xrm.php

Any thoughts on the Twinmax for supporting RCA to XLR?

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What about this?

https://parasound.com/zphono_xrm.php

Any thoughts on the Twinmax for supporting RCA to XLR?

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Did not know about the Parasound. Apparently it's a new item. Looks great. Sort of a slimed down version of the $1500 JC3. It also supports MM and MC carts. Gives you greater flexibility. Price is consistent w/the Hafler But does more. Great buy. I'd still add the DL-103 MC cart. That would take your sound to the next level. If I was looking for a budget phono w/all those extras I'd go for the Parasound.
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If the RCA inputs on the Oppo are already being used, you could still utilize any phono preamp that has RCA outputs by obtaining RCA to XLR adapters. For example:

https://www.parts-express.com/xlr-ma...apter--240-438

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-XLR...s%2C237&sr=8-1

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Schiit phono pre-amp would be good to get.

I have a little Rolls VP29 that works well - I don't currently use it, but it was nice when I did.

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If the RCA inputs on the Oppo are already being used, you could still utilize any phono preamp that has RCA outputs by obtaining RCA to XLR adapters. For example:

https://www.parts-express.com/xlr-ma...apter--240-438

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-XLR...s%2C237&sr=8-1
I have RCA to XLR cables already but I think the input would be too far off. From my original post: XLR Balanced Audio Input (Input Impedance 15k ohm, Maximum Input Level 18 Vrms, +27.3 dBu (0 dBu = 0.775 Vrms)) and RCA Stereo Audio Input (Input Impedance 10k ohm, Maximum Input Level 9 Vrms, +21.3 dBu (0 dBu = 0.775 Vrms)).

Also from that post I have this that does level match;

https://henryeng.com/twinmatch-hd/

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I have RCA to XLR cables already but I think the input would be too far off. From my original post: XLR Balanced Audio Input (Input Impedance 15k ohm, Maximum Input Level 18 Vrms, +27.3 dBu (0 dBu = 0.775 Vrms)) and RCA Stereo Audio Input (Input Impedance 10k ohm, Maximum Input Level 9 Vrms, +21.3 dBu (0 dBu = 0.775 Vrms)).

Also from that post I have this that does level match;

https://henryeng.com/twinmatch-hd/

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I do not see where the Oppo's specs indicate a problem if you use a pair of RCA to XLR adapters. For example, the Parasound Zphono XRM's balanced output impedance is 150 Ohms, which is fine for the Oppo's 15k Ohm input. The Parasound has sufficient output to drive the Oppo (I would not be surprised if the output is higher than rated). Finally, the Oppo's maximum input, at 18V, won't be clipped by the Parasound or any other phono preamp. The Oppo's XLR line input should be compatible with any typical phono preamp.

I like keeping things as simple as possible for best sound quality. Thus, I would try using RCA to XLR adapter plugs or cables first, then consider alternatives later if a problem occurs.

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The helpful folks at Music Direct have possibly the widest selection of phono preamps:

https://www.musicdirect.com/equipmen...oducts&c2=grid

Also this trusty dealer:

https://www.audioadvisor.com/product..._price_min:asc

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I ended up buying a used Parasound ZPhono XRM.

Thanks for the input everyone.
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I ended up buying a used Parasound ZPhono XRM.

Thanks for the input everyone.
You can't go wrong w/a John Curl designed phono.
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You can't go wrong w/a John Curl designed phono.
Not a John Curl design as far as I can tell but I'm hopping they borrowed some of his engineering on the JC products.
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