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Anyone seen this or read anything else on this?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...269012,00.html

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It appears to be a newer version of the DV-563A. Maybe they fixed the bass managerment.

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I´ve looked at it, and one difference from the older 563 is the video DAC. It seems that the 578 has a 106Mhz, 12 bit DAC. It should help with video detail stability. I hope they also did some upgrading on the SACD/DVD-A performance.

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Way to go Pioneer 1 no HDMI though!! Any availability?
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I sent them an email today. Still waiting to hear on this.

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I stopped by my local BB yesterday. They had the Pioneer DV-563A on clearance for $139.99 with a couple of open box items for $129.99. I asked the BB rep when they would be getting the new Pioneer DVD players. He wasn't sure at first, but said since the 563A was on closeout that they should be getting it soon. He went to check on the store's inventory system after I told him the model number DV-578A-S. The new model was in the system!

The price on the new model will be $149.99. I am not sure if that is the sale price or MSRP, but he said the price will be $149.99 when it comes out. The store will be getting 3 in stock on Monday 6/14/04.

Even though Pioneer has a good reputation, I am going to wait until a couple of reviews come out before I buy.
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I got my 563A open box for $70 at CC. didnt even look like it was used, batteries were still sealed. that was 6 months ago and still works great. cant beat the price! asked why it was so cheap even though it was open box ? salesman told me the new manager hates open box stuff and marks it way down to get it off the shelves.
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I am VERY eager to learn as much about this new unit as possible. Especially the audio capabilities.

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I'm also very eager to read some reviews of the 578.

Crutchfield shows them in stock, for $150. The pictures are all of the 563, though, and the specs are mostly blank. The 563 has been reduced to $130.
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A pity there's no official reviews yet. All we have is a link to another opinion user forum. Oh well, that's a start at least.

There's a few points they make I'd like to highlight:

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The BAD news: It is much cheaper than 563A.


That's terrible news. I guess we can expect glitches like the DVD-A issues to remain and maybe some new problems. I really was hoping this would be a step up in all levels.

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The last bad/good news is that DV578A converts SACD (DSD) to 88.2 PCM at all times.


That's bad news, but I guess at this price level, that's about all we can expect.

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I would say the new 568A High-Res transport will be available in a couple of months from now, if not sooner. The target price is around $600 including the machine, free shipping and 1 year warranty.


Sounds like, but sounds like I'll be going to a different company for my audio needs. It's a pity that I can't get the job right without spending AT LEAST $500 or more. 1 year warranty doesn't blow me away either.

Botton line: Run for the 563a while you can, or wait for something better, if you have the budget. The 563a still stands, arguably, as the best all in one audio solution at budget prices.

Oh, I SO wish the Zenith DVB318's original plans to be a universal player had held...

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I am a little confused: judging by these few first reports the new 587A has cheaper audio DACs, cheaper PSU, but more advanced video DACs (that I saw in the specs). So, where is the logic? Is this an idea of cost cutting? Or are the reports faulty?

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I agree that this "cheaper-lighter-cheaper" trend is horrid. I'd easily spend $750 on a player that performed solidly in all the requisite areas. The Denon 2900 is tempting even at $999, but for that much it had better not have -any- problems. How is it possible that every manufacturer seems incapable of producing a player that actually works the way it is supposed to?


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It would be good to know if they did improve the bass management. That might make it worthwhile for me.
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It would be good to know if they did improve the bass management. That might make it worthwhile for me.
That's about the only redeeming hope left, othersie, you can see what's at the head of this post...

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As it looks, DV-578A seems to be the equivalent of the European DV-575A
with some noticeable exceptions, the DV-575A has Progressive Scan
for both NTSC and PAL and it also plays DivX...
See link for specs:
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_...onomy_id=62-84
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Thanks rickardl. The DV-575A is the best player at this price range in my opinion. I like it better than the DV-578A already.

It should work in the US ok right?

I'll do a search and see if I can get one at a reasonable price after the DV-578A is released here and its true features known.

P.S. I noted the "Full Speaker (Bass) Management & delay adjustment" listing under features too!

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I'd seriously consider getting the 563a on clearance instead of importing some player overseas.

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Wesley, it will work fine if you find an adapter that delivers AC 220–240 V, 50/60 Hz.
If I read the manual correctly, it produces PAL output for PAL DVDs OR
converts PAL DVDs to NTSC depending on your setting.
of course, it delivers NTSC from NTSC DVDs or converts them to PAL
if that would be your choice :-)

Edit: I forgot to say that you would need a regionfree one
in order to play R1 discs.
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Has anyone done a comparison between the 563 and Toshiba SD-6915 5-disk universal changer? ($179 at BB)

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I am currently reviewing the new Toshiba multi changer universal. It will be in next months benchmark along with about 13 other <$300 players!! You guys have been harping for me to do a budget based shootout, well I bought about 16 players since yesterday.

The benchmark that goes up next week will have the new Cyberhome $40 DVD player as well as the Samsung 841.

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Quote:
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I am currently reviewing the new Toshiba multi changer universal. It will be in next months benchmark along with about 13 other <$300 players!! You guys have been harping for me to do a budget based shootout, well I bought about 16 players since yesterday.
Will there be any DVD recorders included in the next report? I am interested in buying a DVD recorder and am curious to know how they compare (for playback purposes) to the better low and mid price DVD players. Thanks.

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"I am currently reviewing the new Toshiba multi changer universal. It will be in next months benchmark along with about 13 other <$300 players!! You guys have been harping for me to do a budget based shootout, well I bought about 16 players since yesterday."
AWESOME!!!

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Will there be any DVD recorders included in the next report? I am interested in buying a DVD recorder and am curious to know how they compare (for playback purposes) to the better low and mid price DVD players. Thanks.

Jay
There is only one DVD recorder in the mix, the Liteon. I only have so much money plus I was trying to keep the players MSRP under $300. There are two that are over $200, the rest came in under $100!!! If I see more over the next few weeks I may get a few more. I just bought 2 more at lunch. I am going to try and make it to two more shops over by Seattle that may have some as well, including Fry's which I believe has the Toshiba with the HDMI out on it.

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Has anyone compared the 563a and 578a in terms of audio and video quality? Both are available locally and I was wondering which would be better to get. Also, about how long does it take to get the new firmware installed in the 563a (to correct the DVD-A problems). I'm trying to figure out if it would be worth it to grab a cheap floor model 563a and send it in to a service center for the new firmware.

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I haven't seen a 578a but if I do I will be sure to pick it up for the upcoming test.

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The 578A is available online from Crutchfield now. The features list shows "DIGITAL Bass Management, Speaker Size and Distance" and makes no reference to ANALOG Bass Management. Guess I'll have to keep my Outlaw ICBM hooked up for a while longer after all.
P.S. The photos do not show the WMA logo on the front like previous pictures of the 578A I've seen on the web but it still shows that it supports the format in the features list.

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The 578A is available online from Crutchfield now. The features list shows "DIGITAL Bass Management, Speaker Size and Distance" and makes no reference to ANALOG Bass Management. Guess I'll have to keep my Outlaw ICBM hooked up for a while longer after all.
P.S. The photos do not show the WMA logo on the front like previous pictures of the 578A I've seen on the web but it still shows that it supports the format in the features list.
Almost any player that performs Bass Management internally does so "digitally". Analogue BM, applied after the D/A conversion in the player, is mainly desirable to avoid an additional layer of A/D/A, not because digital is inherently bad. Everyone wants their player to have a hi-res digital link to the receiver for bass management performance, which, for those cases where it is happening (Pioneer Elites, Denon, and a few others) is digital.
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Wesley, the photos at Crutchfield actually shows the DV-563A... :-)
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