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post #31 of 5217 Old 12-01-2006, 01:18 PM
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The more I read about the 3 different models, the more confused I am.

I just got a Samsung 50" plasma (HPS5053) a few days ago. It's a 720p model that supports 1080i.

I have a friend who has the 970HD on his 60" SXRD and loves it.

I emailed Oppo and they said...
"We generally recommend the OPDV971H product for your Samsung HP5053 Plasma, as the OPDV971H will produce the cleaner looking picture on your television. We just recently released a new DVD player called the DV-981HD product. This new DVD player has a black finish, has a HDMI ouput for video and audio, and supports 1080p upconversion. It also includes SACD audio support, which may be a nice selling factor."

And then there is the 981HD. I like the black finish and the fact it's HDMI - HDMI, but is this the best choice for my TV?

Even through your television supports 1080i, it is 720p native. For this reason, you will want to use a 720p signal to your Samsung PDP. Now it comes down to a matter of what features are important to you, what price you want to pay, and what color you want your DVD player in.

The DV-970HD will not have macroblocking errors, but will not have as good de-interlacing and scaling properties.

The OPDV971H has a DCDi chipset so it will be the better unit. However, it will have macroblocking errors and only has a DVI output, so you will have to use a seperate connection for audio and video.

The DV-981HD will have the same macroblocking errors, but has more advanced features such as SACD audio, HDMI video and audio support, and is featured in black. It is also the most expensive of the three.
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Right now we have a TOSlink cable carrying sound from the 970 to a Panasonic XR55, and I am assuming that we will do the same with the 981...is this correct?

There is no audio performance difference when you are talking about the digital coaxial and optical outputs. It only becomes an issue with Multi-Channel Analog and HDMI audio. The difference between the two is minor to my ears, but may be a major difference to a "golden ear" personality.

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I know another stupid question.

768p plasma that support 1080p and HDCP. The 981, in theory, should provide a cleaner image than the 971?

Oh, region free is nice, but do they do framerate conversion or just output PAL? I have a TV that will not sync to PAL.

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Are all audio-related setup menus/functionality identical to those of the 970HD? Any additional or missing items?
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WHAT?

I was planning on getting this to use for 1080i mode now (my CRT RPTV's native resolution) and then in 1080p in a couple of years when I upgrade the display. I don't recall ever seeing that the 971 had "combing and aliasing artifacts" in 1080i - did I just miss that? Now what - 971? 970?

Tony,

What kind of CRT RPTV do you have again?

I have a 57" Sony and 1080i produces noticably less aliasing than 480p. At 480p, there are fewer scanlines and the space (black) between them is visible. At 1080i the lines are doubled and no space (or black) is visible which creates a much smoother image. This is why I upscale. But, this smoother picture does create just a slightly softer image compared to 480p. Keep in mind I'm talking SD DVD and upscaling here and not real HD 1080i content. But, all in all, I prefer the 1080i upscaled SD DVD image.
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Don't have a clue how it's gonna work with my 1 year old Sony KDF-E42A10 Rear Projector LCD, nor how it will work with a yet-to-be-purchased 1080P Sony LCD... but I too just ordered the DV-981HD
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Neuromancer...

I currently have the 971 hooked up to a full 1080P display. Honestly, do you think the 981's full 1080p is that big a difference to upgrade? Price isn't a major issue really... just want your honest opinion
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Tony,

What kind of CRT RPTV do you have again?

David -

I have the Sony KDP-51WS655 and sit about 9.5' away so, as you mentioned, I need to upscale as the scan lines are visible with 480p. I've been very tempted to try the 970 but am a bit concerned with "vertical compression" and the "not-as-good-as-Faroudja" deinterlacer/scaler. My current Zenith DVB318 has the Faroudja chip so I'm "used" to the "soft" picture it produces (although the sharper picture of the 970 intrigues me). I've been considering Oppos for some time now to take advantage of my HDMI hookup and just pass along the Zenith to someone who needs component upscaling. I was kind of hoping the 981 would be my answer.

You know, after rereading the above paragraph, I think I'm a mess!
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David -

I have the Sony KDP-51WS655 and sit about 9.5' away so, as you mentioned, I need to upscale as the scan lines are visible with 480p. I've been very tempted to try the 970 but am a bit concerned with "vertical compression" and the "not-as-good-as-Faroudja" deinterlacer/scaler. My current Zenith DVB318 has the Faroudja chip so I'm "used" to the "soft" picture it produces (although the sharper picture of the 970 intrigues me). I've been considering Oppos for some time now to take advantage of my HDMI hookup and just pass along the Zenith to someone who needs component upscaling. I was kind of hoping the 981 would be my answer.

You know, after rereading the above paragraph, I think I'm a mess!

Ah, yes, I remember now (I was thinking your set was very similar to mine - I have the KP-57WS520). Keep in mind there is a beta firmware fix for the compression issue on the 970 that works pretty well. Both the 970 and 971 will look good, but there will be some macroblocking on the 971/81 which will be impossible to remove despite meticulous calibration. Also, if you haven't done so, get your set fully calibrated and ISF'd --- it makes a BIG difference. Chad Billheimer did mine and it looks great. Aside from grayscale and basic user settings, keeping the focus and convergence sharp, as well as the CRTs and mirror clean make all the difference.
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Hi Paul Bigelow,

Scale out of 1 to 5, 1 being the worst, what would you give 981HD's
- video reproduction quality over hdmi
- sound reproduction quality over hdmi
- analog sound reproduction quality (if tested)

How would you stack this player up against some of the finest DVD players such as Arcam DV137?
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Hello all,
thanks for the great info. Would anyone know if macroblocking will be seen with my sony vpl-hs20 projector and the 981? I'm about to place an order, but I'm not sure if I'll have a problem with this match...Thanks in advance....Pete
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Does it pass SACD and DVD-A over the HDMI cable?
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Yes, it passes both as multichannel PCM.

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Just got this response from Oppo to my question about DVD-A and SACD audio quality between the 970 and 981. That is great support!

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The DV-981HD will not have the same audio characteristics as the DV-970HD as the board is designed slightly differently. The DV-970HD uses a single, 4 layer PCB for the decoding chipset, the DAC, and the analog outputs. The DV-981HD uses a three daughter board design, with each board being connected by cables. This use of seperate boards can cause audio interference errors, which can decrease audio performance.

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Just got this response from Oppo to my question about DVD-A and SACD audio quality between the 970 and 981. That is great support!


So Are they saying that their older product most likely has better audio qaulity?
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The DV-970HD will likely have the better sounding audio for multi-channel audio sources such as DVD-Audio and SACD. Dolby Digital and DTS sources should be identical.
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I currently have the 971 hooked up to a full 1080P display. Honestly, do you think the 981's full 1080p is that big a difference to upgrade? Price isn't a major issue really... just want your honest opinion

On the limited use I have had using it on a Sony Bravia XRD3 I can say that 1080p does make a nice difference when compared to 720p and 1080i. How much of a difference is will be different from person to person. If you already have an OPDV971H, then I would say that the difference is minor and should not warrant a change. But if you are buying a brand new DVD player, then DV-981HD is a nice little upgrade.
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Are all audio-related setup menus/functionality identical to those of the 970HD? Any additional or missing items?

There is the addition of the HDMI and SACD menu options as well. Everything else is there from the previous OPDV971H player.
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it's a 720p model that supports 1080i. if it go with the 971, i'd guess i would just use the 720p output and if i use the coax cable out to my receiver, would i still be able to use surround sound? i'm wondering b/c it has a picture of the back with Audio Out--Surround sound.

just wondering if the 981 is a waste of money for me if my tv is only 720p too?
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The one I use (borrowed from the "Secrets" shootouts) is "The Big Lebowski, Making-of" documentary.

Thanks, this is a disc I have - where or at which point in the doc do I look for it?
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It seems to me that the Oppo 981 is my best bet for a new DVD Player, assuming I don't want to pay $500+ for HD DVD or Blu Ray. But, before I spend my money, I would like to hear other people's opinions.

I just took the plunge on my first HDTV, a Sony 40v2500, and my only dvd player is a 2-3 year old Toshiba 5-Disc progressive scan player. The 40v2500 is 1080p, and has HDMI, so I think I am exactly the type of person who this product is targeted for.

My main question is, how long do you think we will see either HDDVD or Blu-Ray players on the market that offer the upconverting quality and numerous format options (xvid/divx, etc.) of the Oppo at a 'somewhat acceptable' price (under 400)? Should I just wait (1 year?) until it is released, or do you think my current DVD collection will enjoy the upgrade to the Oppo 981, and then I should move the the High-Def formats when they come down in price in 2-3 years?

Thanks in advance.

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How will the hi rez audio playback compare to the denon 2910 in terms of quality? I know the picture should be an improvement, but I do like the sound of my denon on sacd/dvd-a/hdcd. Running to yamaha 2600 via multi channel analog.

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Dan,

I used a 40XBR2 which is quite similar to 40v2500 (I think there is an ongoing debate of that in another forum area). Using the "per pixel" mode on the XBR2 (I think the v2500 has it as well) produced excellent results for me, not to mention no cropping so the full picture is being seen.

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Dan,

I used a 40XBR2 which is quite similar to 40v2500 (I think there is an ongoing debate of that in another forum area). Using the "per pixel" mode on the XBR2 (I think the v2500 has it as well) produced excellent results for me, not to mention no cropping so the full picture is being seen.

Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks a lot for the response. I believe you are correct that the xbr2 and v2500 series are similar.

It seems that you have a good deal of experience with Oppo players. Did you happen to do a comparison of the 970/971/981 on that xbr2? If not, would you imagine that the 981 would be worth the extra money for those of us with 1080p displays (I have no upconverting DVD player at the moment)?

One last question... any macroblocking? I'm not sure I would be able to notice it anyway, but it seems to be an issue for some people.

Thanks...

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Congratulations to OPPO Digital for another KILLER player, and for their outstanding Product Features and Product Comparison pages on their web-site.

The 981's 1080p output looks simply incredible on my Sony KDL-46 LCD flat panel TV. The 981's 720p output looks every bit as good as the 971's does, both on my Sony and on my 720p Samsung DLP.

Thanks to Paul for the work involved in posting another excellent "Brain Dump" thread.
Thanks to Neuromancer for his tireless efforts to answer our questions and keep us honest!
Thanks to all the beta testers for their efforts to critically evaluate the player's performance and identify potential defects.
Thanks to the OPPO engineers for their incredible responsiveness to the feedback from the beta testers.

We can be confident that this player will have the same level of performance, customer support and firmware support that made the other OPPO players so popular.

We wish them all the best!

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sorry guys, i don't know what HDCP stands for? i have a sony 46V25L1 LCD tv...is that HDCP compliant?

Yes, the 46V25L1 is HDCP (Copy Protection) compliant, and assuming you've done a basic calibration, the picture with this player is incredible. See the Sony V2500 Calibration and Reference Information thread. I have the 46V25L1.

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I believe you are correct that the xbr2 and v2500 series are similar.

One last question... any macroblocking? I'm not sure I would be able to notice it anyway, but it seems to be an issue for some people.

Once calibrated, the image quality of the XBR2/3 and v2500 series is identical. Macroblock-enhance is very slight, and often non-existant where other displays would show it.

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Quick question, because I can not find it on the Mits website...


I'm getting a WD-65831 Mitsubishi 1080p TV...I'm assuming it's HDCP-compliant, but can't find a definite answer...can anyone point me in the right direction? Thank you!
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If it has HDMI inputs, it is HDCP compliant (it's required by the HDMI standard). That's probably why Mitsu doesn't specifically mention HDCP.

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(from old thread).... The audio will be better than the OPDV971H but will be slightly lower than the DV-970HD.

Could you elaborate on that? In what way does the 981 have slightly lower audio quality than the 970? For movies I wouldn't care much about a minor difference, but I'm very curious about the 981's SACD playback audio quality.
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