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post #9271 of 9313 Old 02-29-2020, 04:05 PM
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Ok, I have a potentially stupid question.

I currently have 25mbs internet. I know that's around the minimum recommended for UHD streaming, but it always works fine. Triggers Dolby Vision, atmos, etc. Rarely if ever any buffering.

Is streaming on Netflix (and others) the type of thing, where if you get it, you get the best of it? Or are there better versions still of UHD/Atmos that would come through to me if I had a faster connection?

I have no need for faster internet really, but but will be renewing my internet soon and I don't know if that might be a reason to upgrade.
Netflix tops out at 16 Mbps for UHD material, and can actually reach that resolution just under 10 Mbps. Naturally, it's very compressed and the audio is only Dolby Digital Plus, even with Atmos. Amazon and Vudu are about the same bitrates.

So that's pretty much what all online streaming sources provide. I'm of the opinion that more Internet speed is always better, but only if the cost is reasonable. I get 87 Mbps from my CenturyLink DSL line, and though they offer Gigabit, it's not available in my area.

But where the extra speed might be good for you is if you stream to more than one TV at a time. Since there's 3 adults in my home, I'm OK if all three of us decide to watch something bitrate heavy. However, the wife usually is watching something from our server, so isn't touching the Internet at all. I probably use YouTube more than anything else on the Internet, when I'm not watching something from my server as well.

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If anything, more efficient encoders will help reduce the bandwidth needed. Even the streaming services want to reduce the amount of data they send out.
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Interesting ..

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It seems that they complied.


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It seems that they complied.


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It did make me wonder if the USA would be next ..
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Netflix demand falls off going into the evening here on the west coast. By 9 PM PT there wasn't usually any problem getting 4K streams. I also would say most people wouldn't notice the difference between a 9 Mbps 4K stream and a 16 Mbps.


I dropped Netflix a while back anyway but with other providers I often wait until after 9 PM to watch 4K streams.


Another thought: maybe this will make Netflix rethink their silly 4K tax. I often wondered if all 4 subscriptions were in use all all watching something 4K how did that help with bandwidth?
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Netflix demand falls off going into the evening here on the west coast. By 9 PM PT there wasn't usually any problem getting 4K streams. I also would say most people wouldn't notice the difference between a 9 Mbps 4K stream and a 16 Mbps.


I dropped Netflix a while back anyway but with other providers I often wait until after 9 PM to watch 4K streams.


Another thought: maybe this will make Netflix rethink their silly 4K tax. I often wondered if all 4 subscriptions were in use all all watching something 4K how did that help with bandwidth?
I agree. One of the reasons I dropped Netflix was their pricing tiers. I have zero need for four streams, but would have subscribed to 4K at two streams. But the other reason I dropped them was simply no content I cared enough about to subscribe for. Wasn't interested in their original content, and the few things I did watch there have been pulled for other services. We watch 99% just from our media server now, with an occasional Prime or Movies Anywhere stream. Since I get full lossless sound from my BD and UHD rips with my two Shield players, as well as HDR content and no worries about Internet connectivity, why deal with online streaming at all?

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It did make me wonder if the USA would be next ..
According to Vox.com New Jersey in 2019 had the highest average download speed in the US at over 120 megs. With combined up and download averages, NJ came in second at just under 60 mbps. I can only assume that number is going up. Basic plans here from Comcrap, Verizon and Optimum now start at around 200 mbps. I can't see why Netflix would need to throttle their output when we're getting bandwidth like that.







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According to Vox.com New Jersey in 2019 had the highest average download speed in the US at over 120 megs. With combined up and download averages, NJ came in second at just under 60 mbps. I can only assume that number is going up. Basic plans here from Comcrap, Verizon and Optimum now start at around 200 mbps. I can't see why Netflix would need to throttle their output when we're getting bandwidth like that.

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I don't know if anyone actually gets those speeds, even on a perfect day .. I believe the EU ask was based on increasing numbers of streaming thus causing a slowdown for all .. real life speed is based on a number of factors, as I'm sure you know .. traffic is one of them ..

If speed were the criteria, I'm afraid the USA would lose ..


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I have Optimum 200 and I use three different speed tests, which include Ookla, Speed of me, and Test my net, with a multitude of servers, some located as far as the west coast and I still manage to average over 200 meg down loads and 35 meg upload WiFi speeds consistently off my Asus 1900p router. On my 2 Roku plus players my average speed is over 90 mbps and on my older Roku 3600r it's around 60 mbps. I've been testing my speeds regularly including during peek usage hours (7pm-11-pm)



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I have Optimum 200 and I use three different speed tests, which include Ookla, Speed of me, and Test my net, with a multitude of servers, some located as far as the west coast and I still manage to average over 200 meg down loads and 35 meg upload WiFi speeds consistently off my Asus 1900p router. On my 2 Roku plus players my average speed is over 90 mbps and on my older Roku 3600r it's around 60 mbps. I've been testing my speeds regularly including during peek usage hours (7pm-11-pm)



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Nice for you .. my Spectrum touted 200mbps averages around 47mbps down, 17mbps up the last 3 days .. and that's during daytime hours, not evenings when more families are on with multi devices .. prior to this, I was getting about the same as you're getting now ..

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Nice for you .. my Spectrum touted 200mbps averages around 47mbps down, 17mbps up the last 3 days .. and that's during daytime hours, not evenings when more families are on with multi devices .. prior to this, I was getting about the same as you're getting now ..
I'm not surprised. Wasn't that the company the state of New York sued for poor internet service? https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/18/...nternet-speeds


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It did make me wonder if the USA would be next ..
I hope not. Otherwise I will need to put my Netflix account on hold. There is no way that I will wacth a show in SD when it's supposed to be in HD. Or watch a show in HD when it's supposed to be in UHD.

There is plenty of other content out there in UHD or HD I can watch. Although I do consistently have over 100 titles on my Netflix list I would like to watch.

But I'm also still going into work here in Northern Virginia. Since we can't telework on our federal contract. So I have no more free time than usual.

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According to Vox.com New Jersey in 2019 had the highest average download speed in the US at over 120 megs. With combined up and download averages, NJ came in second at just under 60 mbps. I can only assume that number is going up. Basic plans here from Comcrap, Verizon and Optimum now start at around 200 mbps. I can't see why Netflix would need to throttle their output when we're getting bandwidth like that.







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On Verizon FiOS I regularly get 880Mb/s down and 940Mb/s up during non peak hours. Which are the speeds FiOS advertises for their so called gigabit tier. During peak hours though my speeds drop to only 600 to 700Mb/s. Which is fine normally unless I'm downloading a bunch of stuff. Since I typically do it with multiple devices concurrently. Which will max out my "gigabit" tier during non peak hours.

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On Verizon FiOS I regularly get 880Mb/s down and 940Mb/s up during non peak hours. Which are the speeds FiOS advertises for their so called gigabit tier. During peak hours though my speeds drop to only 600 to 700Mb/s. Which is fine normally unless I'm downloading a bunch of stuff. Since I typically do it with multiple devices concurrently. Which will max out my "gigabit" tier during non peak hours.

"Only" 600-700 Mbps. I wish!
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On Verizon FiOS I regularly get 880Mb/s down and 940Mb/s up during non peak hours. Which are the speeds FiOS advertises for their so called gigabit tier. During peak hours though my speeds drop to only 600 to 700Mb/s. Which is fine normally unless I'm downloading a bunch of stuff. Since I typically do it with multiple devices concurrently. Which will max out my "gigabit" tier during non peak hours.
I have the basic plan which starts at 200 mbps and I'm actually getting a bit more then that. My needs don't even require that much bandwidth. It's interesting that the fastest speeds are offered in the Mid Atlantic region.🤔


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It did make me wonder if the USA would be next ..
The EU has a history of shaking down tech companies in different ways. Tech companies is the U.S. have clout the government wish it did. Democracy and a ton of lawyers = True power.
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The EU has a history of shaking down tech companies in different ways. Tech companies is the U.S. have clout the government wish it did. Democracy and a ton of lawyers = True power.
How is asking for a bitrate slowdown shaking a tech company down .. ?? I don't know if I'd even call NF a tech company .. it's an entertainment company ..
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Looks like YouTube is going to reduce the default resolution to 480p even here in the US. It does sound like you can manually switch it higher after it starts.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...an/2911024001/
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Looks like YouTube is going to reduce the default resolution to 480p even here in the US. It does sound like you can manually switch it higher after it starts.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...an/2911024001/
Yes. If there wasn't an option to take it up to 2160P then I would not be watching youtube videos anytime soon.

At least they say there will be an option. We will see. But there is no way I'm watching a 480P video on any device. Even on a cell phone screen it looks like ass.

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Looks like YouTube is going to reduce the default resolution to 480p even here in the US. It does sound like you can manually switch it higher after it starts.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...an/2911024001/

Seems like YouTube may be over reacting.


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I agree with your point of view, but since using the latest version of netflix, I don't have that problem anymore.
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If Netflix does the 25% reduction of bitrate for 4K in the US, it would mean ~12 Mbps streams instead of ~16 Mbps. Many probably couldn't tell the difference. And if you are on the west coast you might not see the reduction at all if you watch late in the evening as the rest of the country has gone to bed. Also Europe may not have the CDN setups used to cover the US where if you are the first person to watch something on Netflix it will come from the AWS server on the east coast but at the same time you are watching a local contracted CDN caches that data and the next customer will get the show from it instead. A page from something known sometimes referred to around here as "high seas technology."
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When I still had Netflix, I ran some of their test videos. 2160 would kick in as low as 9 Mbps, so I don't think anyone will notice.

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It's very noticeable between the lowest 2160P encode and the highest.

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It's very noticeable between the lowest 2160P encode and the highest.
HEVC isn't very good at lower bitrates for 4K (fine for 1080p). VP9 does it much better as well as AV1 even more which developers are busing optimizing.
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