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post #1651 of 2638 Old 08-22-2015, 01:31 AM
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I wouldn't doubt that, but based on what I've seen tonight, IMO, It still doesn't come close to Netflix's own 4k shot content. Don't get me wrong, I've also seen some 1080p movies on Netflix that look like crap.

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Then something is probably messed up on your Amazon prime viewing.

Netflix 1080P generally looks great (though color banding can be an issue) - Amazon 1080P generally looks better. I will choose Amazon 1080P (10 Mbps) over Netflix 1080P (5.8Mpbs) every time.

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Are you using an Amazon Fire TV box? I'm on my second - which behaves exactly the same as my first - they refuse to switch to 1080p unless they're getting over 50 Mbps.
I had no problem getting 1080P (10 Mbps) Amazon streams on a Fire TV on my 25 Mbps Comcast connection - would be really surprised if Amazon was limiting this to anyone getting 12-13 Mbps or more...
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My wife signed up for an Amazon Prime trial. Watched a couple of trailers and then Enemy tonight. Just my two cents, I wasn't all that impressed with the PQ. Lots of color banding and the amount of detail wasn't anything to write home about. Have also been watching Sense 8 on Netflix, which looks absolutely stunning. Very detailed, and a lot of pop. However, in terms of DD audio quality, I put Amazon on top.

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There is enough evidence in 1600 posts and across the net to say otherwise. Check equipment, signal or connection problems.
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Then something is probably messed up on your Amazon prime viewing.

Netflix 1080P generally looks great (though color banding can be an issue) - Amazon 1080P generally looks better. I will choose Amazon 1080P (10 Mbps) over Netflix 1080P (5.8Mpbs) every time.

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There is enough evidence in 1600 posts and across the net to say otherwise. Check equipment, signal or connection problems.
Thanks, for the reply's, but I have found no issues with my internet connection or my TV. Everything works like a charm. Since most Netflix content looks great on the same system, maybe the problem was with the video transfer on that particular movie. Also, just because Amazon uses a higher bit rate, it doesn't necessarily translate to better quality. Netflix offers less bandwidth, but they may be using it more efficiently. There's that old saying, garbage in garbage out. Regardless, I'll try some more videos, but you won't convince me that Amazon looks better then Marco Polo or Sense 8, which look stunning and are as close to BD quality (which still offers the best PQ) as you can get on my set.

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When you compare Netflix 5800 Kbps to Amazon's 10000 Kbps you're not exactly comparing apples to apples. Netflix uses eyeIO's proprietary AVC encoding tech which supposedly achieves superior PQ in less bandwidth and which, for what it's worth, was awarded THX certification at 5800 Kbps.

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When you compare Netflix 5800 Kbps to Amazon's 10000 Kbps you're not exactly comparing apples to apples. Netflix uses eyeIO's proprietary AVC encoding tech which supposedly achieves superior PQ in less bandwidth and which, for what it's worth, was awarded THX certification at 5800 Kbps.
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That's not to say that I favor the PQ of one service over the other's. I was surprised, however, that Amazon choose 10 Mbps for 1080p; the higher the number the more it limits the people who can get it. Of course, as time goes on more and more people will have higher speed network service and will be able to get it.

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Since Im stuck at 6mbps max, I def think Netflix looks better for me. That being said, the pilot of Sneaky Pete looked great.
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That's not to say that I favor the PQ of one service over the other's. I was surprised, however, that Amazon choose 10 Mbps for 1080p; the higher the number the more it limits the people who can get it. Of course, as time goes on more and more people will have higher speed network service and will be able to get it.
So far, most content I have seen with both services is similar in PQ, with the exception of some of Netflix's own programing, as mentioned in my previous post.

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Although Amazon /should/ have better PQ, I've yet to see anything on Amazon that looks as good as, say, Sense8. Maybe I haven't watched the right thing. Difficult to determine when not comparing same content. In any event, it's fair to say Netflix is doing something right. If they can bump their bitrate up to 10 mbps they'll be really good.
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Although Amazon /should/ have better PQ, I've yet to see anything on Amazon that looks as good as, say, Sense8. Maybe I haven't watched the right thing. Difficult to determine when not comparing same content. In any event, it's fair to say Netflix is doing something right. If they can bump their bitrate up to 10 mbps they'll be really good.
eyeIO would tell you that their AVC encoder achieves better results at 5800 Kbps than most do at 10000 Kbps.

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eyeIO would tell you that their AVC encoder achieves better results at 5800 Kbps than most do at 10000 Kbps.
It really is "impressive" how good it looks with just 5.8Mbps. I wish Hulu would step up already!
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So far, most content I have seen with both services is similar in PQ, with the exception of some of Netflix's own programing, as mentioned in my previous post.

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I honestly would have to say it's a wash between Netflix and APV...They both look fantastic on my set. Sneaky Pete sure was an eye opener for PQ in my opinion.

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I honestly would have to say it's a wash between Netflix and APV...They both look fantastic on my set. Sneaky Pete sure was an eye opener for PQ in my opinion.
Haven't watched Sneaky Pete, but what surprises me is that both Netflix's Marco Polo and Sense 8 produce detail and pop that rivals some of the best BD's I've seen. However, unlike BD which is a replicated format, they aren't quite as clean. I can only imagine how good those versions would be.

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It really is "impressive" how good it looks with just 5.8Mbps. I wish Hulu would step up already!
The problem is that the lower bitrates on Netfix can look like crap which Hulu and Amazon look far superior at lower bit-rates.

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I don't use APV, but I guess I'd agree regarding Hulu.

What I wish they'd introduce is an option (opt-in/opt-out, kind of like post-play) to force the stream to never start/drop at least below the lowest HD tier. It takes me about 40/60s to get to 720p sometimes on my Roku. On movies is not too bad, it's mostly logos and credits, but for tv shows it is annoying.

It won't ever happen though... they really are trying to force 'instant' on you.
I wouldn't mind waiting a bit longer and start with a better quality.
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I wouldn't doubt that, but based on what I've seen tonight, IMO, It still doesn't come close to Netflix's own 4k shot content. Don't get me wrong, I've also seen some 1080p movies on Netflix that look like crap.

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Yes, but if you have an HDR capable set, the UHD/HDR series available on Amazon are definitely on top for image quality.

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Yes, but if you have an HDR capable set, the UHD/HDR series available on Amazon are definitely on top for image quality.
That's subjective and remains to be seen. http://www.wired.com/2015/03/netflix...make-image-tv/. Also, HDR/UHD content is still limited and I'm not ready to give up my plasma anytime soon.

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That's subjective and remains to be seen. http://www.wired.com/2015/03/netflix...make-image-tv/. Also, HDR/UHD content is still limited and I'm not ready to give up my plasma anytime soon.

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Not saying you should give up your plasma (we are all free to hold on to a dying technology); and yes, the UHD/HDR content is limited (most of it currently Amazon and MGO; although 4k players will be here soon). But pretty much everyone on the Samung threads with HDR capable sets believe HDR is more significant than UHD. And at least these subjective opinions are from people that have actually watched it in their homes.

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Things are always best to those that own them on AVS, no different in a Samsung owners thread when it comes to a feature on their display. In short, an owner's thread isn't the best place to prove a point.
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Haven't watched Sneaky Pete, but what surprises me is that both Netflix's Marco Polo and Sense 8 produce detail and pop that rivals some of the best BD's I've seen. However, unlike BD which is a replicated format, they aren't quite as clean. I can only imagine how good those versions would be.

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Some of the water garden scenes in Marco Polo were downright stunning, never would I have guessed I was watching an Internet sourced streaming video, very impressive indeed.
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Does anyone know if Hand Of God is HDR or not?
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Does anyone know if Hand Of God is HDR or not?

Judging from this blog entry made a couple of days ago only Mozart in the Jungle and Red Oaks are HDR so far.

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Judging from this blog entry made a couple of days ago only Mozart in the Jungle and Red Oaks are HDR so far.

Casanova was recently added and it is also HDR.

Following article, written by Scott Wilkinson, provides excellent info on HDR. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-la...l#post36131762


Since I got a "sarcastic roll of eye" for mentioning the benefits of HDR, I would like to point out that Joe Kane was the one demonstrating the benefits to Scott. Additionally, Joe had two Samsung UHD sets in his living room. But what does he know?

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Might be the best place if those owners are the only ones with the current capability to see the feature (i.e., HDR). Or would you place greater credence on the opinions of people who have no first hand experience?

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Not saying you should give up your plasma (we are all free to hold on to a dying technology); and yes, the UHD/HDR content is limited (most of it currently Amazon and MGO; although 4k players will be here soon). But pretty much everyone on the Samung threads with HDR capable sets believe HDR is more significant than UHD. And at least these subjective opinions are from people that have actually watched it in their homes.
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Might be the best place if those owners are the only ones with the current capability to see the feature (i.e., HDR). Or would you place greater credence on the opinions of people who have no first hand experience?

I agree that the impact of HDR on picture quality is far more significant then UHD. Although resolution is the most touted specification when it comes to marketing HD TV's, it's the least important when it comes to PQ. That being said, dying tech or not, I wouldn't trade my plasma in for an LCD. I prefer to stay with an emissive display until I can afford an OLED. Hopefully by that time, they will have fine tuned the technology.

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The problem with HDR is that it's a hard sell to Joe and Jill Average. They understand resolution and they know what increased resolution has done for them in the past. Explaining HDR in terms that non-AV-ophiles can understand and appreciate must be a advertising nightmare. Once they see it they might be impressed; getting them to come see it would be the problem.
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I agree that the impact of HDR on picture quality is far more significant then UHD. Although resolution is the most touted specification when it comes to marketing HD TV's, it's the least important when it comes to PQ. That being said, dying tech or not, I wouldn't trade my plasma in for an LCD. I prefer to stay with an emissive display until I can afford an OLED. Hopefully by that time, they will have fine tuned the technology.

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Resolution may be the least important specification in PQ; but are you ready to give up your HD set for even the best SD display ever made?


By the end of the year, 4K players will be providing HDR in the home. Fox, and I'm sure other content providers, are going to release their new/current movies (as well as their more popular archived films) on 4K disks. This will be another case of an increased resolution component bringing other significant PQ factors along for the ride.

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