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Best dedicated streaming player for.audio quality?

I've noticed my old Roku 3 sounds nowhere near as good as my Xbox One with Netflix and Amazon, both are set to 5.1. I really like using my Roku, as it has channels my Xbox just doesn't. Would the Roku Ultra be closer to the sound quality of my Xbox One? If not, which streaming player would?

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I'd think most streaming devices should simply pass on the digital audio to your TV or receiver. The device should have no effect on the audio quality.
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I'd think most streaming devices should simply pass on the digital audio to your TV or receiver. The device should have no effect on the audio quality.
That's what I would have thought, but Netflix sounds WAY better on my Xbox One than on my Roku 3.

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That's what I would have thought, but Netflix sounds WAY better on my Xbox One than on my Roku 3.
Need more info. What type of audio equipment are your using for each player and what type of connections are you using? (ie: optical, HDMI). My Roku stick is connected to my AVR's HDMI input and the DD plus audio is excellent. Watched Justice League on Vudu the other night and my twin Velos were shaking the room.

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I'd think most streaming devices should simply pass on the digital audio to your TV or receiver. The device should have no effect on the audio quality.
Yup, if one wants good audio quality then use an AV receiver to decode. Quality depends on how much you want to spend on the receiver and the speakers. The bitstream remains the same as it comes off the source server (CDN).
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Yup, if one wants good audio quality then use an AV receiver to decode. Quality depends on how much you want to spend on the receiver and the speakers. The bitstream remains the same as it comes off the source server (CDN).
The question remains, why does his Xbox sound better?

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I'd think most streaming devices should simply pass on the digital audio to your TV or receiver. The device should have no effect on the audio quality.
Yup, if one wants good audio quality then use an AV receiver to decode. Quality depends on how much you want to spend on the receiver and the speakers. The bitstream remains the same as it comes off the source server (CDN).
I am certainly not lacking in quality in those areas.

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The question remains, why does his Xbox sound better?

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Does the XBox have some option where it decodes the audio, makes some 'enhancements', then passes that on to a receiver or TV? Or maybe the TV or receiver has a different audio setting on that input by mistake?
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The question remains, why does his Xbox sound better?

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It would take an engineer for both platforms to figure that one out. Are they both optical connected or SPDIF? Shouldn't make any difference since these should be just passing on the bitstream.

The other possibility is the service is sending a different audio stream to each device and one might be at a lower bitrate.
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Doesn't the Shield pass lossless audio?
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Doesn't the Shield pass lossless audio?
AFAIK, no A/V (i.e., Netflix) streaming provider uses lossless audio. In many cases lossless audio bit rates would be almost what the video bit rates are. If you want lossless then Blu-ray or UHD Blu-ray disc is about it. If money is not a problem then Kaleidescape does offer downloads they claim to be equal to BD.
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I have my VuDu on my Roku premiere plus and my friend's on my ps3. Ps3 is louder and fuller sound. I have to go to - 12.5 on my receiver to match the ps3 volume at - 22
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AFAIK, no A/V (i.e., Netflix) streaming provider uses lossless audio. In many cases lossless audio bit rates would be almost what the video bit rates are. If you want lossless then Blu-ray or UHD Blu-ray disc is about it. If money is not a problem then Kaleidescape does offer downloads they claim to be equal to BD.
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Cinemanow were using some form of DTS-HD like 5yrs, but I have no idea how/what they were doing.
IIRC, DTS-HD is the competitor to Dolby Digital+, IOW, a lossy low bit rate audio format.
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IIRC, DTS-HD is the competitor to Dolby Digital+, IOW, a lossy low bit rate audio format.
Interesting. Do any receivers decode it? I've never seen it used in any content before.

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Interesting. Do any receivers decode it? I've never seen it used in any content before.
Most late model AVR's. They usually include DTS lossy and lossless processing.


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Interesting. Do any receivers decode it? I've never seen it used in any content before.
My Yamaha CX-A5100 AVP does, can not speak for others. From the 5100 manual:
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DTS-HD High Resolution Audio is a compressed digital audio format developed by DTS, Inc. that supports 7.1-channel and 96 kHz/24-bit audio. DTS-HD High Resolution Audio remains fully compatible with the existing multichannel audio systems that support DTS Digital Surround. This technology is used for audio on BD (Blu-ray discs).
Don't recall ever seeing a BD title with it, with BD there is no need since they can do lossless DTS and Dolby with ease. It appears Dolby Digital + pretty much dominates the streaming market.
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My Yamaha CX-A5100 AVP does, can not speak for others. From the 5100 manual:


Don't recall ever seeing a BD title with it, with BD there is no need since they can do lossless DTS and Dolby with ease. It appears Dolby Digital + pretty much dominates the streaming market.

As with Dolby Digital, all DTS encoding is backwards compatible to the core. Unless you have a very old receiver that only decodes 'plain wrapper' lossy DTS or 6.1 DTS ES, you shouldn't have an issue with receiving DTS HD audio.



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My Yamaha CX-A5100 AVP does, can not speak for others. From the 5100 manual:


Don't recall ever seeing a BD title with it, with BD there is no need since they can do lossless DTS and Dolby with ease. It appears Dolby Digital + pretty much dominates the streaming market.
I've seen several BD's with DTS-HR. I think I had a recent Disney movie where it defaulted to it instead of the normal DTS-MA 7.1 (many Disney titles default to lower audio resolutions for some stupid reason.)
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I've seen several BD's with DTS-HR. I think I had a recent Disney movie where it defaulted to it instead of the normal DTS-MA 7.1 (many Disney titles default to lower audio resolutions for some stupid reason.)
The only time I specifically have to select audio tracks is with some older titles with DD and LPCM, they will default to DD and I have to select LPCM. For most they default to the best track, be it DTS-MA, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, etc. There may be a few titles other than LPCM ones that I specifically have to select audio tracks but it must not happen often as I can not remember the last time I did it.

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It looks like a recent Roku TV update seems to be turning all the non DD+ streams usually AAC stereo into DD. My Yamaha receiver on streams like these used to vacillate between DDPrologic II and NeoDigital 6.0. Now it just says Dolby Digital. I haven't noticed any 5.1 on these streams like those from Hulu but that might depend upon the title. I believe that Dolby Digital (A52) is supposedly out of patent.
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It looks like a recent Roku TV update seems to be turning all the non DD+ streams usually AAC stereo into DD. My Yamaha receiver on streams like these used to vacillate between DDPrologic II and NeoDigital 6.0. Now it just says Dolby Digital. I haven't noticed any 5.1 on these streams like those from Hulu but that might depend upon the title. I believe that Dolby Digital (A52) is supposedly out of patent.
Like the OP, my Xbox One X seems to have louder audio for me. I don't know that it is 'better', but I noticed this last week when testing the surround setup with S1 E5 of Daredevil (where the camera pans around and the guy in the backseat of the cab is singing in Mandarin.) I watched that scene on my Xbox One X, my Oppo Blu Ray, and the Apple TV 4K. The Oppo was much louder than the other two, and I realized that my Xbox was set for HDMI audio and not for the DD bitstream. I changed that, and the audio got MUCH better. I checked the Apple TV too, and it seems to be set correctly - but it's just not as loud as the Xbox or the Oppo.
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