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Streaming services deathwatch..Studies have shown most people won't carry more than three streaming services. Filmstruck is going to fold. Whose next ? This is not trolling. Right now it's ISP's are the only one making any money. What is your gut feeling, a shakeout has been predicted for awhile.

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IMHO, these small niche services needs to be an Amazon channel. The Amazon app is probably on most streaming devices and would make billing easier.
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Comparison of video streaming aggregators

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...ng_aggregators

Although this is a list of aggregators it also lists the streaming services, of which there are quite a few.

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We have Netflix and Amazon Prime. I'd suspect that Hulu is pretty popular...and I expect YouTube will make the cut.

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Seems there is also a trend for ad supported services probably because there are a number of people who don't have the money to pay for a monthly ad free subscription. Done right they can be quite palatable. I just added Tubi because they have some movies that my paid subs don't have. They actually warn you that an ad break is about to appear so I can grab the remote and hit the mute button.


Netflix is learning the entertainment business the hard way. It was one thing to rent discs and stream third party content but producing it is a "crap shoot" which is what the owners of Hulu already knew.
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Netflix is learning the entertainment business the hard way. It was one thing to rent discs and stream third party content but producing it is a "crap shoot" which is what the owners of Hulu already knew.
I disagree. You could have said that about HBO at one time too. Netflix is following a similar business plan, but I concur, it does include more risk. However taking risks continues to be the formula for Netflix's success.https://qz.com/1245933/twenty-years-...been-the-same/


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Streaming services deathwatch..Studies have shown most people won't carry more than three streaming services. Filmstruck is going to fold. Whose next ? This is not trolling. Right now it's ISP's are the only one making any money. What is your gut feeling, a shakeout has been predicted for awhile.


Filmstruck was doomed from the start limited catalog plus the TCM app carries the same programming. Also IMO the Criterion user isn’t a streaming customer.

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I disagree. You could have said that about HBO at one time too. Netflix is following a similar business plan, but I concur, it does include more risk. However taking risks continues to be the formula for Netflix's success.https://qz.com/1245933/twenty-years-...been-the-same/


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HBO only owns 10% of Hulu. HBO needed to get into content early on whereas as Netflix was just another retailer but renting DVDs online while the mom and pops nor even Blockbuster knew what to do with the new medium. I was an early Netflix subscriber until one of the bigger m&p shops got DVDs and a wide range of them. I re-subscribed in 2010 when rental shops started disappearing.
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HBO only owns 10% of Hulu. HBO needed to get into content early on whereas as Netflix was just another retailer but renting DVDs online while the mom and pops nor even Blockbuster knew what to do with the new medium. I was an early Netflix subscriber until one of the bigger m&p shops got DVDs and a wide range of them. I re-subscribed in 2010 when rental shops started disappearing.
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I agree that services like filmstruck should be Amazon channels. No-one wants to pay for a lot of independent services, worry about device support, etc. Utilizing something like Amazon video for the delivery and subscription simplifies this a lot!
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I have Netflix 4K and Amazon Prime w/ History vault add on , CBS all Access , Hulu w/HBO add on and free You Tube etc. along with Samsung Smart hub & Sony Android free stuff and a Roku

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I have Netflix 4K and Amazon Prime w/ History vault add on , CBS all Access , Hulu w/HBO add on and free You Tube etc. along with Samsung Smart hub & Sony Android free stuff and a Roku
I cut the cord with DirecTVNow (really just for sports and news) with free HBO because I am a wireless customer as well- add to that Netflix, plus Hulu and Amazon and I cannot possibly watch all the content unless I retire tomorrow and get a job writing streaming TV reviews. I really believe that most of the year (except for football season), I could just watch Netflix, Amazon (because of Prime shipping) and the tons of movies I own on disc (plus the fact I D2D'd them all on Vudu).

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Let me know if I am in the wrong area. But I just signed up for Vudu mainly for 4K and BR content (physical disc and digital streaming flexibility). The problem is it still wants me to sign up for ultraviolet to do disc conversion while telling me that service is shutting down. Then it wants me to buy movies through movies anywhere to redeam codes. This is more complicated than it needs to be. Is my best option to go buy UHD movies I want (physical disc) and pay a premium on Amazon or elsewhere? What would you guys do? Thank you.
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Let me know if I am in the wrong area. But I just signed up for Vudu mainly for 4K and BR content (physical disc and digital streaming flexibility). The problem is it still wants me to sign up for ultraviolet to do disc conversion while telling me that service is shutting down. Then it wants me to buy movies through movies anywhere to redeem codes. This is more complicated than it needs to be. Is my best option to go buy UHD movies I want (physical disc) and pay a premium on Amazon or elsewhere? What would you guys do? Thank you.
It can be confusing. Movies Anywhere does not sell movies, it only provides links to vendors like VUDU, Google Play, iTunes, Amazon, etc.

There are many AVS Forum members who will only buy movies on physical media like Blu-rays and DVD's. If you want the very best picture and sound quality UHD Blu-ray is the way to go. That said I have over a thousand titles on VUDU and find their streaming quality to be excellent even though the picture and audio are compressed and not lossless. Over 800 of these titles have ported over to Movies Anywhere, iTunes, Google Play, Amazon and FandangoNow. Hold out studios like Paramount and Lionsgate do not belong to MA.

Streaming movies is about convenience. The biggest selling point for me is library sharing with family members. At this time I share my collection on VUDU (this may change when UV closes), Google Play and iTunes.

Video streaming is undergoing a large shift as companies jockey for position. As you said UltraViolet is shutting down July 31, 2019 but it is still active for disc conversions, in fact I have been converting as many of my old DVD and Blu-ray titles as I can using the VUDU app before UV closes.

If you want the best of both worlds buy the Blu-ray it will most likely come with a digital redemption code.

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Thanks MrG, if you're looking for a long lost family member, I'm it. A few more questions and thank you for your reply.

First of all, do you use a Vudu account or link the Walmart account? Does it make a difference?
As a first step then, I buy a movie through Vudu (say 4K) which gives me digital access rights (in essence streaming, sort of like Netflix). I imagine I can use a VUDU app or PC or whatever to access this movie anywhere with my credentials. Because it adds the library to "Movies anywhere", I can then align "Movies Anywhere" to Vudu (already done) or other services like iTunes, Google Play? Do they show up everywhere and then I can choose an "app" of my choice?

I am worried to put all my eggs in Vudu basket I guess based on the fact these services will come and go.

To take this further, then, if I wanted to, I can also purchase (for additional $) a physical disc or buy the physical disk + digital from the start.

This is what confused me when I hit the redeem button on Vudu: "Buy a Blu-ray or DVD with Movies Anywhere or UltraViolet and get a digital copy to watch anytime, anywhere." I don't see an advantage in that except I would use Ultraviolet (till July anyway) to transfer my existing DVDs for an upcharge to earn the right to stream to my device. The advantage being I don't have to repurchase these titles and only spend a few dollars to actually use my beautiful projector to its capability versus upconverting an old dvd using my blu ray player's ability.

Do I have all this right?
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Thanks MrG, if you're looking for a long lost family member, I'm it. A few more questions and thank you for your reply.

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First of all, do you use a Vudu account or link the Walmart account? Does it make a difference?
I use a VUDU account. I don't have a Walmart account so I can't help you there.

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As a first step then, I buy a movie through Vudu (say 4K) which gives me digital access rights (in essence streaming, sort of like Netflix).
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I imagine I can use a VUDU app or PC or whatever to access this movie anywhere with my credentials.
You should really invest in a quality streamer if you're going this route. I use the Apple TV 4K, Roku Premiere+, Fire TV 4K and Chromecast Ultra. Of these I probably use the Apple TV 4K the most followed by the Roku Premiere+. The others I got on sale since I'm kind of a gadgets nut.

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Because it adds the library to "Movies anywhere", I can then align "Movies Anywhere" to Vudu (already done) or other services like iTunes, Google Play? Do they show up everywhere and then I can choose an "app" of my choice?
As I mentioned earlier studios like Paramount and Lionsgate do not belong to MA so those movies will not port over - at least not yet. There are also some smaller independent studios like A24 that will not port from one vendor to another. So you won't find a film like Lady Bird on MA. In this case I would buy the film on Google Play and add it to my Family Library. So there are a lot of things to consider when purchasing a film.

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I am worried to put all my eggs in Vudu basket I guess based on the fact these services will come and go.
True, there are no guarantees but VUDU belongs to Walmart and I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon.

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To take this further, then, if I wanted to, I can also purchase (for additional $) a physical disc or buy the physical disk + digital from the start.
Yep. I have done this when VUDU is selling the UHD Blu-ray at a decent price. You get immediate access to the digital stream and the Blu-ray is mailed to you at release date.

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This is what confused me when I hit the redeem button on Vudu: "Buy a Blu-ray or DVD with Movies Anywhere or UltraViolet and get a digital copy to watch anytime, anywhere." I don't see an advantage in that except I would use Ultraviolet (till July anyway) to transfer my existing DVDs for an upcharge to earn the right to stream to my device. The advantage being I don't have to repurchase these titles and only spend a few dollars to actually use my beautiful projector to its capability versus upconverting an old dvd using my blu ray player's ability.
There is a lot jammed into this paragraph. If you buy a recent Blu-ray release it usually comes with a digital code that you can redeem at MA, VUDU, Google Play, iTunes or at the studio website - whatever the included instructions say. Usually if you want to buy a movie to own on VUDU you select either SD, HDX or UHD or Disc + Digital. To be sure that the movie you interested in buying is going to port over to the other vendors check it out on the MA website. MA will list all the vendors where you can buy the movie.

To convert DVD's and older Blu-rays (without digital codes) I use the app on my phone, previously I used the app on either my Mac or Windows computer. The charge to convert to HDX is $2 for Blu-rays and $5 for DVD's.

I assume you're referring to the BenQ HT3550 which is a very nice DLP projector.

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Thank you, appreciate the fast and clear responses, all makes sense now. Yes, awaiting the arrival of the HT3550.
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