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post #121 of 196 Old 11-16-2013, 07:34 AM
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Watched it in 2D.

I call too much grain, noise..

The film isn't pretty to look at, and I want reference quality images when watching a movie on my projector. IMHO.

Compare this presentation to say avengers, or the pirate films, and tell me which one you'd rather watch. Shaky cam grainy or actual clear steady pristine images? 

Ditto!

Heavy grain is often mistaken for noise because they are hard to distinguish. I write reviews on Blu-rays over the the "New PQ Tier Thread for Discussion" and when describing a very gritty picture we often say, "it's hard to tell whether it's heavy grain or noise."

I too want to see EYE CANDY (not ugly, gritty pictures that lack detail, sharpness, clarity, and depth). I have invested a lot of money in equipment for that very purpose and thus I avoid movies like 28 Days Later and others that purposely give us an ugly picture just to suit the "director's intent."

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ts a great movie and its great to look at,
i'd rather watch an awesome 16mm in mono than waste my time on 11.11 "pristine" shiny 8K garbage.

I'm quite sure you're resorting to sarcasm, but if not, I have a ton of old VHS movies that were all filmed using 16mm, along with a classic VHS recorder that I bought when they first came out. We've been trying to unload them at rummage sales but it's been, as the old adage goes, "an exercise in futility." Just PM me if you want them; I'll give you a great deal!! biggrin.gifwink.gif
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I'm quite sure you're resorting to sarcasm, but if not, I have a ton of old VHS movies that were all filmed using 16mm, along with a classic VHS recorder that I bought when they first came out. We've been trying to unload them at rummage sales but it's been, as the old adage goes, "an exercise in futility." Just PM me if you want them; I'll give you a great deal!! biggrin.gifwink.gif



I'm not sure either especially when a couple of people explained this already. If it's shot this way on purpose then there's no grain issues or any other issues, it is the way it was intended to be. If people don't like it then so be it.
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Did anyone think while watching the movie, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
during the scene when Zod asked the world to give up Superman- why doesn't he just fly up there and blast through their spaceship and vent them all into space. It would have been so much easier than giving himself up.
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he cant break thru the ship, its made of kryptograinite.

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Many of us didn't see this yet so I'll just unsubscribe until I watch it.
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he cant break thru the ship, its made of kryptograinite.

He punched through it easy enough when his old man told him to.
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I just finished watching this movie a few minutes ago. I thoroughly enjoyed it. While different than the original Superman, I found some of the throwbacks to it very well done. In addition, I thought the overall story and character development was much more refined and immersive than the original. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of the original but I think this film takes it to a whole new level. By far one of the better super hero movies of our day.

I found the graininess of the film to be to my liking. I think it adds a touch of nostalgia, back to the days of the original movie, when all the hi tech post processing effects didn't exist to the caliber they do today. Lastly, I don't feel anything was missing in terms of bass/ULF. I think what was there blended well with the sound track and didn't need to be over done.

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I just finished watching this movie a few minutes ago. I thoroughly enjoyed it. While different than the original Superman, I found some of the throwbacks to it very well done. In addition, I thought the overall story and character development was much more refined and immersive than the original. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of the original but I think this film takes it to a whole new level. By far one of the better super hero movies of our day.

I found the graininess of the film to be to my liking. I think it adds a touch of nostalgia, back to the days of the original movie, when all the hi tech post processing effects didn't exist to the caliber they do today. Lastly, I don't feel anything was missing in terms of bass/ULF. I think what was there blended well with the sound track and didn't need to be over done.

Thanks for the review, Ralph.

That was how I always felt of all the previous Supe movies and TV shows. He's supposed to be so powerful but all his punches were so wimp almost like he was afraid to break everything around him. I think bringing Zod as Supe first challenge was the right choice because Zod forced Supe to fight with all his strength immediately. Can you imagine how powerful Zod will become if he got the time to spend around Earth? He was only learning in how to use his powers and he has a lifetime of military experience that Supe doesn't have. Will this Supe care to save the little things like saving a cat from the tree?
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Over the weekend I had both the 3D Combo Pack and the 3D Collector's Edition Metal-S Pack in my hands... Gave in and got the shiny latter! Actually, my kids convinced me (as if I needed convincing, LOL). cool.gif

It is COOOOL. There was also a Steelbook Edition but it was only 2D, which was good for me as, had it been 3D, it may have been what I would've gotten instead. smile.gif

Yes, the base is a bit on the weak side, and the case is a bit on the big side, but, after a little getting used to, it looks mighty sweet! Glad I got this! cool.gif

As for the Blu-ray 3D and the extras (man, those Target exclusives do sound great--so, sorry I'm not getting those here), I've only had a chance to give the film in 3D a try, and haven't yet sat down to fully enjoy it (and "crank it," thanks Frank!), but boy-oh-boy does it look and sound fabulous! Can't wait till I do just that! BTW, during that test run, I thought the 3D looked even better than I remembered it in IMAX! cool.gif
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He punched through it easy enough when his old man told him to.




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he cant break thru the ship, its made of kryptograinite.


Actually, I think Zod mentioned something about the ship’s atmosphere was different than earth. Since Superman has grown up on earth, he was not used to the atmosphere of his home world. Therefore he was weak. Or did I misunderstand?

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Actually, I think Zod mentioned something about the ship’s atmosphere was different than earth. Since Superman has grown up on earth, he was not used to the atmosphere of his home world. Therefore he was weak. Or did I misunderstand?
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Nope you understood correctly. Once the ship was then filled with a human like atmosphere he grows strong again and is easily able to break the ship.
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Actually, I think Zod mentioned something about the ship’s atmosphere was different than earth. Since Superman has grown up on earth, he was not used to the atmosphere of his home world. Therefore he was weak. Or did I misunderstand?




I kind of liked this movie. But, there is something different with this movie compared to the original Superman movies. With the original Superman movies from the late 70’s and 80’s, they seem a little more informative. Those movies spent a lot of time talking about how Superman became a super hero and how the human world liked him as their protector. I also liked how the older movies used props. Props made the movies more realistic and personable. This new movie was more cold and sterile.

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There's 1 thing I couldn't understand about this movie, and it's how some people reacted to Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Superman killing Zod in this movie. But if you watch Superman 2, which also had Zod in it, Superman kills Zod in that too!!! He may have not directly killed Zod with his hands like he did in Man of Steel, but he did kick Zod when he lost his powers at the end of the movie. And when he kicked the newly powerless Zod, he disappeared into a cavern in the Fortress of Solitude, to presumably freeze to his untimely death right? eek.gif

Otherwise, I thought this movie was incredible in pretty much every way.

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I can't wait to see that.
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Thats like saying Batman killed someone in Batman returns..one of the Penguins thugs had dynamite and batman attaches it to the thug and kicks him into sewer, resulting in an explosion...small technicality
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Thats like saying Batman killed someone in Batman returns..one of the Penguins thugs had dynamite and batman attaches it to the thug and kicks him into sewer, resulting in an explosion...small technicality

Yea, but why were people ok with it happening in Superman 2 but some people made such a huge deal about it happening in Man of Steel?

That's what I don't understand.

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Out of curiosity I just googled "Superman killing Zod", and came across an article written by someone who also couldn't understand the outrage over Superman killing Zod in Man of Steel, considering that Superman killed Zod in Superman 2 also! So I'm glad to see I'm not the only one here feeling this way. smile.gif


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probably because Superman/Batman were seen as heroes that do not kill. Meh...I enjoyed the movies either way.
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You mean "are" and not "were"?
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You mean "are" and not "were"?

It has been strongly hinted at that Superman will not be seen as a hero in the next film so both are correct.
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I wanted to like this movie. And there were things about it I did like. The philosophical parts had weight, and I thought the human relationships were more interesting than the other Superman movies.

Although to me the beginning of the first Superman, the Smallville portion was beautifully done. I wish the entire movie had had that same flavor. There was a bucollic feel to it that gave way to more light-hearted, unrealistic and "tongue-in-cheek" scenes in Metropolis that never let me feel as though these were real people in real situations. I believe that, although we know the characters and events in a superhero movie are not part of the world we know, it is always better if we are able to believe that the words and actions we witness come from people we, for the moment, can believe are real.

Another problem for me in any movie such as MOS is that there must be rules we can count on. There must be boundries. I remember when I was watching the first "Pirates Of The Carribean" movie. When it became clear that the pirates could not be harmed in any way then any battle they were in became nothing to me. They could just move about with impunity and do whatever they wanted. I could not "get into" the movie. There has to be some Achilles Heel.
So Kryptonians can only be defeated with Kryptonite. Isn't that the, uh... myth? So I will go no further with this since spoilers would be needed. But I just saw a lot of cool CGI and endless mayhem that pulled me further out of the film.

I just watched "Pacific Rim" and liked it. As someone named "Toe" in the "Pacific Rim" thread said: "This movie is flat out HT fun! It would be easy to pick it apart, but why? It doesn't take itself seriously and try to be something it's not. It's big dumb fun and on that level it works very well IMO." Yeah, it was fun. It was "Robot Jox" meets "Godzilla".

Of course there are no superheroes in real life that are anything like what we find in our comic book concoctions but I would still like someone to make a Superman movie that would have the "feel" of that beginning segment of Richard Donner's Superman. There was a sense of Americana and a feeling of some "homespun" yarn that would contain more than merely "viceral" enjoyment. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I just wish there was more sometimes.
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I thought the movie itself was a little disappointing. Nothing will beat the original Superman movie imo. I was a little let down by video quality too, as others have said, it was a bit grainy. The audio though eek.gif it might be the best audio I've heard come out of my system, I thought my house was going to explode.

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I thought the film looked great. Grain doesn't bother me. I thought the picture looked fantastic.

The sound was great but I found the track somewhat compressed sounding.

Only thought the last fight scene was too long...
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I'm about an hour and a half in and decided to take a quick look at this thread to see what the consensus on the soundtrack is. I'm somewhat surprised - maybe I've got something wrong.

The dialogue seems to have been mixed very unevenly - fine in many spots, but very low in others, and the whole soundstage seems to be balanced too far to the rear most times. I guess I would use the word "uneven" for the soundtrack.

Oh well, different strokes........
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I'm about an hour and a half in and decided to take a quick look at this thread to see what the consensus on the soundtrack is. I'm somewhat surprised - maybe I've got something wrong.

The dialogue seems to have been mixed very unevenly - fine in many spots, but very low in others, and the whole soundstage seems to be balanced too far to the rear most times. I guess I would use the word "uneven" for the soundtrack.

Oh well, different strokes........

+1

I agree with you about the dialogue and the rears being overwhelming sometimes.

About the bass, during the movie, I had to dial up my subs on my SMS-1 to +3 after the first scenes, then bring it back -3 and then -2. Bass volume was uneven in my opinion, lacking when needed but over the top when unnecessary. A good exemple is when Clark start flying and and he breaks the sound barrier, I expected a powerful POOOWWW like a it should in real life, but it was disappointing. And then, you had rumbling bass in the middle of a calm scene inside the NORAD base... Maybe my system if really out of balance and I'm the only one who had this problem...

As for PQ, I liked what I saw on my 128" with my JVC RS46. It was grainy but added drama to the movie. I think it's OK.

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Only thought the last fight scene was too long...

Uh yeah. How many thousands of people werr lying in the rubble that eclipsed any disaster we have ever seen before? How many years would it take to recover from such an event?
And cut to the next scene when Clark goes to work (disguised with glasses) and we're to the next installment.

For me believability was lost in the over-the-top mayhem. To excuse it with the phrase: "It's only a movie" removes the chance that any movie has to allow the viewer. to feel he (or she) is viewing sometbing that is actually happening.

Btw: I enjoyed Pacific Rim very much.
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I agree with you about the dialogue and the rears being overwhelming sometimes.

About the bass, during the movie, I had to dial up my subs on my SMS-1 to +3 after the first scenes, then bring it back -3 and then -2. Bass volume was uneven in my opinion, lacking when needed but over the top when unnecessary. A good exemple is when Clark start flying and and he breaks the sound barrier, I expected a powerful POOOWWW like a it should in real life, but it was disappointing. And then, you had rumbling bass in the middle of a calm scene inside the NORAD base... Maybe my system if really out of balance and I'm the only one who had this problem...

As for PQ, I liked what I saw on my 128" with my JVC RS46. It was grainy but added drama to the movie. I think it's OK.

After doing a bit more research, we're not the only ones who had issues with the soundtrack. Lots of comments about "compressed" in the regular thread, overall audio quality thread, and in comparison to other movies.

I started out at -10 on my system for the opening sequence on Krypton, then lowered to -12 to -16 for other parts (I seldom find any movies where I am listening at anything other than -9 to -12). There are a bunch of scenes with great bass and great surround, but the dialog was all over the place. Had a couple of places where I had to rewind and turn the volume up to understand dialog.

I really got tired of the overdone drums in the soundtrack as well - not his best movie soundtrack by a longshot.

If I were voting, I'd either say tier 1 or so, definitely not Reference.
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After doing a bit more research, we're not the only ones who had issues with the soundtrack. Lots of comments about "compressed" in the regular thread, overall audio quality thread, and in comparison to other movies.

I started out at -10 on my system for the opening sequence on Krypton, then lowered to -12 to -16 for other parts (I seldom find any movies where I am listening at anything other than -9 to -12). There are a bunch of scenes with great bass and great surround, but the dialog was all over the place. Had a couple of places where I had to rewind and turn the volume up to understand dialog.

I really got tired of the overdone drums in the soundtrack as well - not his best movie soundtrack by a longshot.

If I were voting, I'd either say tier 1 or so, definitely not Reference.

It was a constant volume struggle to get the dialogue right. Sure this mix gets very loud and room shaking at some point, but is it accurate and represents well what you see on the screen? Don't think so. Still thinking about it and very disappointing coming from such a large production. Again, maybe my system is wrong or most people are overwhelmed by the high SPL. It seems like we are not the only ones.
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