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Well, looks like our friend Toe will be just as happy I've been out of that BASS thread too -- not that I'm not up to carving out a place there if need be -- I think I could -- but why? My purpose there was only ever to highlight some little heard about, unheralded bass gems I had encountered -- figured I didn't need to add to the traffic on widely anticipated and commented on known bass movies.

But then there is the wading through it all...fine, don't need to bring any movies to anyone's attention -- I already know about them. Besides, never made any secret of the fact I couldn't care less about graphs and such -- if JW measures superior to TOMORROWLAND, that was not my experience, so of what value is it? Even if it matched my experience?....

Please note: last two sentences above, entirely rhetorical conjecture, just an opinion, does not indicate answers solicited, explanations desired, what have you -- just my misguided judgment wreaking havok on reality again, as per usual.....
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Just for the record, I have no issue with you FWIW.
Oh, very well, good brother, likewise -- didn't know if I might have been swept up there in your statement, as I was trading around in the company you did mention.

Actually not as common that I post anywhere anymore, though hard to guess that from today's jag, I suppose. Just got my big three flicks I was waiting on, so I'm watching and gathering impressions this weekend -- just about ready to pop on SA with the Rock -- possibly have time this weekend to get back to JW -- my amps have been warming up, so might have another impression altogether the second time 'round.

Interestingly, the manufacturer suggests turning them on a full 24 hours before listening! -- impractical and expensive to say the least, but they've been on just about that time by now, so who knows if JW will hit the sweet spot later tonight?!
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Wow, a lot more hate in this thread than I imagined. We watched this last night and we all thought it was awesome. I thought the audio was killer and so was the video. Just awesome all around. And for what it's worth I didn't think Bryce Dallas Howard was hard to look at at all.

Nice review Ralph, I don't buy them until I read your take on it.
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Watched the 2d version last night and from a technical standpoint, I thought it was awesome! Excellent sound, bass and PQ. No complaints.

Thanks to the poster who mentioned to watch the extras as there is a scene in there that has some of the hardest hitting and deepest bass vs anything in the film! Extras are under 7 minutes long, so just watch them all at your same volume you watched the film at and you will know it when this short scene happens. ..
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Mad Max Fury Road (in my opinion) is a wall of sound (especially the bass) and bludgeons you into submission.


The Jurassic World mix on the other hand is well layered and uses dynamics well (and only when needed) to make the big set pieces (Mosasaur shark/pteradon eating and the final fight) seem bigger.

There does seem to be missing high frequencies, especially in the dino vocal sounds (when compared with JP1 and JP2 sounds), but then that could be explained by the genetic engineering done to create them.
Sums up my thoughts about JW.
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Watched the 2d version last night and from a technical standpoint, I thought it was awesome! Excellent sound, bass and PQ. No complaints.

Thanks to the poster who mentioned to watch the extras as there is a scene in there that has some of the hardest hitting and deepest bass vs anything in the film! Extras are under 7 minutes long, so just watch them all at your same volume you watched the film at and you will know it when this short scene happens. ..
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Wow, a lot more hate in this thread than I imagined. We watched this last night and we all thought it was awesome. I thought the audio was killer and so was the video. Just awesome all around. And for what it's worth I didn't think Bryce Dallas Howard was hard to look at at all.

Nice review Ralph, I don't buy them until I read your take on it.
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This was a blind buy and I really need to stop doing this based on AV alone. Should have redboxed it. Video quality was excellent and the LFE was top notch when needed (although like others there was very little tactile feel to it) but I also thought dynamics left a little to be desired. Overall certainly not in the same league as Fury Road in terms of immersion. And certainly not impressive enough to make me want to watch this again anytime soon.

I have to say the movie was awful and I had low expectations coming in. It was so dumbed down and the ending was just eye rolling. The fight felt cartoony. No sense of real terror from the actors compared to Jurrasic Park. Kids in the movie looked like they were just having a fun weekend despite almost being eaten a bunch of times. Chris Pratt's character has as much depth as lined paper. The most cringeworthy moment was Pratt and Howard smooching right after a pterodactyl attack on thousands of people. The plot was recycled from JP but with none of the tension. Only dumb, non-sensical and full of holes. It wasn't action porn like the Transformers movies but boy did it play down to the lowest common denominator.

I think this is the worst of the JP movies and I thought JP2 and 3 were pretty bad. JP1 was a classic. I'm at a loss at how it made so much money in the theaters which guarantees we'll get another decade of brain dead action/adventure movies based on brand recognition. Complete crap.
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This was a blind buy and I really need to stop doing this based on AV alone. Should have redboxed it. Video quality was excellent and the LFE was top notch when needed (although like others there was very little tactile feel to it) but I also thought dynamics left a little to be desired. Overall certainly not in the same league as Fury Road in terms of immersion. And certainly not impressive enough to make me want to watch this again anytime soon.

I have to say the movie was awful and I had low expectations coming in. It was so dumbed down and the ending was just eye rolling. The fight felt cartoony. No sense of real terror from the actors compared to Jurrasic Park. Kids in the movie looked like they were just having a fun weekend despite almost being eaten a bunch of times. Chris Pratt's character has as much depth as lined paper. The most cringeworthy moment was Pratt and Howard smooching right after a pterodactyl attack on thousands of people. The plot was recycled from JP but with none of the tension. Only dumb, non-sensical and full of holes. It wasn't action porn like the Transformers movies but boy did it play down to the lowest common denominator.

I think this is the worst of the JP movies and I thought JP2 and 3 were pretty bad. JP1 was a classic. I'm at a loss at how it made so much money in the theaters which guarantees we'll get another decade of brain dead action/adventure movies based on brand recognition. Complete crap.
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Anyone else find that this DTS-HD MA track wasn't quite reference? Not only did I have to turn my master volume way up to compensate for a somewhat lower mastering level (though not as high as I had to turn the Age of Ultron mix), the wallops of LFE weren't as tactile as to take everything off my walls as I was expecting (this was, after all, a dinosaur picture)...
agree, didn`t like the audio, and also not perfect video. Hopeless format 2:00, why not film in 2:40??
The movie was ok.
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agree, didn`t like the audio, and also not perfect video. Hopeless format 2:00, why not film in 2:40??
The movie was ok.
And here we agree. Wasn't exactly thrilled by the movie, although it pretty much was everything it needed to be. Not at all unhappy I bought it, but liked TOMORROWLAND and SAN ANDREAS quite a bit more.
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Finally got to watch it last night, while I know that my system is setup to my taste and by no means a point of reference I thought the mixers did an excellent job of doing a, for lack of a better term, "realistic" mix, without any of the sound being overly/unrealistically dynamic, esp. the LFE, just tactile and deep enough to feel with out being too overwhelming or overblown.
Just excellent in 3D and DSU, but this is one I almost wished they would have held on too for a while, this would have been am excellent native DTS-X first outing, not to mention being an excellent callback to the original film and it's DTS roots.

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Watched the 2d version last night and from a technical standpoint, I thought it was awesome! Excellent sound, bass and PQ. No complaints.

Thanks to the poster who mentioned to watch the extras as there is a scene in there that has some of the hardest hitting and deepest bass vs anything in the film! Extras are under 7 minutes long, so just watch them all at your same volume you watched the film at and you will know it when this short scene happens. ..
How long is the actual scene you are referring to?

I thought the movie sounded great! Would love to find another scene to show off my HT, but just wondering if its actually a long enough to play for someone or is it a very short but powerful scene?

Currently I love to play the last fight scene between the T-Rex and Indominus Rex
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Finally got to watch this over the weekend. I missed this when it was at the theaters. I watched it twice this weekend: once in 3D, and once in 2D. The first time watching it I simply took it all in. The second viewing allowed me to watch it and pay closer attention to the details. Here's my take on this film:

Pros:
1) Excellent video and sound quality. The video was sharp, with high detail. In terms of the audio I noticed that in the scenes that took place outdoors there was a lot of effects coming from the surround speakers which really seemed to place you into the scene. I thought that this movie had the right balance of LFE - it was enough to give certain scenes extra "oomf" without being over the top.
2) On the initial viewing this movie had a very summer blockbuster entertainment value.
3) Good choice of child actors. I feel that they did a good job with their roles.
4) All of the direct and subtle references to the original Jurassic Park. On a second viewing I noticed that there were a lot of references to the original.

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1) The story: After a second viewing I realized that this story was a near carbon copy of the original Jurassic Park movie.
2) The story: The climactic battle at the end seemed a bit too far-fetched for me.
3) Claire: Bryce Dallas Howard's character. As has already been stated a thousand times, her character wearing those heels through the entire film was a really poor decision by the director and/or production staff.

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How long is the actual scene you are referring to?

I thought the movie sounded great! Would love to find another scene to show off my HT, but just wondering if its actually a long enough to play for someone or is it a very short but powerful scene?

Currently I love to play the last fight scene between the T-Rex and Indominus Rex
It's real short. Maybe 30 seconds or so. Overall, I would say that last fight scene would be a better demo since it's longer. Still check out this scene in the extras though as it is impressive!
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Finally got my hands on this darn Blu-ray

I dig this movie. Perhaps not as much on this second viewing as I did first time in the theater this summer, but all-in-all it's a fun ride. One of the missed opportunities was not showing more of the park itself, all the rides and the attractions. After all, that's what I was most looking forward to seeing. Will be interesting to see where they take the story next. Militarized/weaponized dinosaurs isn't something I'd wanna see though. But that's just me.

PQ: 5/5
SQ: 4/5

Picture quality is very nice. Colors really 'pop' and the depth of the 2D image is great. Detail retrieval in some of the wide shots is amazing. It's also nice to see that the image isn't overly polished, I noticed a tad of film grain in there which I appreciate as it adds a bit of realism and texture.

Sound quality is well above average. It's certainly good. That said, I don't feel like this is the all-out reference mix I was hoping for. First of all the volume level is recorded way too low. Had to turn my processor up +8db hotter than I normally would for most Blu-ray's. LFE is good but could have brought even more to the table. A linked comparison is the original "Jurassic Park" on Blu-ray which sounds a bit stronger in this respect. Surround activity is good most of the time, although I wish they'd spread out the score a bit more across each channel. Overall the 'bite' and dynamic contrast of this soundtrack isn't quite as impactful as the imagery had me wishing for. I watched "Mad Max: Fury Road" and "Terminator Salvation" (don't judge!) on the same night as this one and both rocked the house in a way that "Jurassic World" did not. Shouldn't really compare soundtracks this way but can't help it. Like someone else said, maybe they went for slightly more realistic approach overall. It certainly isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, don't get me wrong, it just isn't the cream of the crop as far as I'm concerned. Don't wanna sound like I'm whining, was just expecting more.

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Watched the 2d version last night and from a technical standpoint, I thought it was awesome! Excellent sound, bass and PQ. No complaints.

Thanks to the poster who mentioned to watch the extras as there is a scene in there that has some of the hardest hitting and deepest bass vs anything in the film! Extras are under 7 minutes long, so just watch them all at your same volume you watched the film at and you will know it when this short scene happens. ..
is it the deleted scenes? specifically the one where they are squatting behind a tree and a chopper flies over? If thats the one I didnt find it all that impressive...i thought the bass in the final scene was much more powerful than any of the deleted scenes...hmmm
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is it the deleted scenes? specifically the one where they are squatting behind a tree and a chopper flies over? If thats the one I didnt find it all that impressive...i thought the bass in the final scene was much more powerful than any of the deleted scenes...hmmm
I don't remember if there is a chopper, but they are laying behind a tree and the massive dinosaur is stomping all around them. That scene had my kickers bottoming (make sure you watch it at same volume as the film)which did not happen during any part of the film.
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I don't remember if there is a chopper, but they are laying behind a tree and the massive dinosaur is stomping all around them. That scene had my kickers bottoming (make sure you watch it at same volume as the film)which did not happen during any part of the film.
yeah thats the scene....ill have to replay it (even though I did have it the same volume) I guess i was expecting to be blown away...might be on par with the rest of the film (and a bit more on the end I cant reproduce but your kickers can )
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Sound quality is well above average. It's certainly good. That said, I don't feel like this is the all-out reference mix I was hoping for. First of all the volume level is recorded way too low. Had to turn my processor up +8db hotter than I normally would for most Blu-ray's. LFE is good but could have brought even more to the table. A linked comparison is the original "Jurassic Park" on Blu-ray which sounds a bit stronger in this respect. Surround activity is good most of the time, although I wish they'd spread out the score a bit more across each channel. Overall the 'bite' and dynamic contrast of this soundtrack isn't quite as impactful as the imagery had me wishing for. I watched "Mad Max: Fury Road" and "Terminator Salvation" (don't judge!) on the same night as this one and both rocked the house in a way that "Jurassic World" did not. Shouldn't really compare soundtracks this way but can't help it.
Oh, but I do judge you on that TERMINATOR SALVATION reference -- judge you to be someone of refined taste and discrimination. TS is one of my absolute go-to tracks -- stands among very few others as having just superlative top-flight sound. And your comparison very apt as well -- I know you were saying you just watched the two in a short span of time, but while watching JW, my mind actually drifted to TS because there is a film that presents this whirlwind panorama of heavy action effects, then transitions seamlessly to precision holistic speech -- dialog is full-bodied arrives to the ear as a gestalt, perfectly intelligible but one is unaware of what element might be channeled through the tweeters, midrange, etc., -- it just hits you as natural speech.

As I watched some of the character conferences in JW, I had to think of some of the scenes of TS where multiple characters were clustered together in a room -- Bale talks to Bonham Carter in a cell, Bale gets dredged from the seas and is interrogated, Bale witnesses with crew the effect of a machine-killing pulse on a snapping appendage -- all those scenes have just standout dialog, so much so that it is something that brings a smile every outing, and that I remembered for exactly that effect.

Conference scenes in JW were way "tizzy" and sibliant on top -- the speech was frazzled. I'll review some time stamp comparisons over the weekend if anyone has interest in comparing, but generally I do agree with you, that as whole experiences, movie tracks might not lend themselves so easily to comparison -- too many variables to really make sense of deciphering why you might feel one way about one, another way about some other.

BTW, I read your review of the NAD processor with interest -- need to upgrade mine, I'm aware that is one reason I might be sensitive to high frequency issues, still, most tracks are pretty well controlled in that regard....
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I watched the 3d version over the weekend and I thought it sounded pretty good. As someone else said, it seems like it is recorded a tad lower than other movies. i watched it at -7 from reference and i normally watch at -9 to -10. I still like the original better but this one is definitely above and beyond jp2 and 3.
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Oh, but I do judge you on that TERMINATOR SALVATION reference -- judge you to be someone of refined taste and discrimination. TS is one of my absolute go-to tracks -- stands among very few others as having just superlative top-flight sound. And your comparison very apt as well -- I know you were saying you just watched the two in a short span of time, but while watching JW, my mind actually drifted to TS because there is a film that presents this whirlwind panorama of heavy action effects, then transitions seamlessly to precision holistic speech -- dialog is full-bodied arrives to the ear as a gestalt, perfectly intelligible but one is unaware of what element might be channeled through the tweeters, midrange, etc., -- it just hits you as natural speech.

As I watched some of the character conferences in JW, I had to think of some of the scenes of TS where multiple characters were clustered together in a room -- Bale talks to Bonham Carter in a cell, Bale gets dredged from the seas and is interrogated, Bale witnesses with crew the effect of a machine-killing pulse on a snapping appendage -- all those scenes have just standout dialog, so much so that it is something that brings a smile every outing, and that I remembered for exactly that effect.

Conference scenes in JW were way "tizzy" and sibliant on top -- the speech was frazzled. I'll review some time stamp comparisons over the weekend if anyone has interest in comparing, but generally I do agree with you, that as whole experiences, movie tracks might not lend themselves so easily to comparison -- too many variables to really make sense of deciphering why you might feel one way about one, another way about some other.

BTW, I read your review of the NAD processor with interest -- need to upgrade mine, I'm aware that is one reason I might be sensitive to high frequency issues, still, most tracks are pretty well controlled in that regard....
Judging on a positive note the way you did is most welcome! hehe

It's a good thing finding folks with refined taste and discrimination who share this hobby, so likewise to you! It's getting harder and harder to find those folks, though. I'm glad you think Terminator Salvation is such a great point of reference when it comes to well-recorded and expertly mixed sound. There are a few of those movies/Blu-ray's around, thankfully. I like your description of the elements in that soundtrack, and I agree with them. I found a similar experience listening to Mad Max: Fury Road. Another title with incredibly natural speech are the Blu-ray's for Game Of Thrones. Those have among the very best dialogue recordings I've ever heard. Every time I pop in one of those discs it feels as though the actors are in the room with me. Quite stunning at times! That doesn't happen very often. It didn't with Jurassic World, unfortunately.

I can't help wishing that Gary Rydstrom had been more than just the consulting sound designer on this particular movie, as more-or-less everything he's involved in turns into gold. As a re-recording mixer he often does excellent work! Can't wait to hear his new work on the next Star Wars movie, for example.

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I don't remember if there is a chopper, but they are laying behind a tree and the massive dinosaur is stomping all around them. That scene had my kickers bottoming (make sure you watch it at same volume as the film)which did not happen during any part of the film.
I agree Toe, I watched the deleted scenes and when they were hiding behind the log you could feel the stomping coming closer, until the chopper flies by and then the foot stomping fades away. Need Fatshaft to graph that one, as I thought that scene was pounding into the couch with my subs, and the kickers were off.
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Anyone else find that this DTS-HD MA track wasn't quite reference? Not only did I have to turn my master volume way up to compensate for a somewhat lower mastering level (though not as high as I had to turn the Age of Ultron mix), the wallops of LFE weren't as tactile as to take everything off my walls as I was expecting (this was, after all, a dinosaur picture)...
A dynamic track means that there is wide distance in volume for varying sounds, so it makes sense that you may have to increase volume compared to a compressed soundtrack.

To your second point, I see that your subwoofer only extends to 38hz which is no where near low enough to capture the LFE discussed here.

I'm not saying that to be mean, or being elitist. My current sub is the same as Brian's, and is worlds apart from the Bose bass module I used to think was great.

It's just that you aren't hearing what we can hear due to limitations in your equipment. Just like I can't hear what someone who has a wall of subwoofers can feel/hear.
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I agree Toe, I watched the deleted scenes and when they were hiding behind the log you could feel the stomping coming closer, until the chopper flies by and then the foot stomping fades away. Need Fatshaft to graph that one, as I thought that scene was pounding into the couch with my subs, and the kickers were off.

Fatshaft posted a graph of this scene in the bass thread and it looks just as good as we expected!
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Yeah, soooo, think it might be axiomatic that any time you have to turn to the deleted scenes to find something superior to what was included in the theatrical edit, you're talking about a movie that fell short of potential...........
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Well, the best movie is yet to come. ...Jurassic World 2?
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Just going to toss this out there, but I think the 3D version PQ looked better than the 2D version

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Just going to toss this out there, but I think the 3D version PQ looked better than the 2D version
She's definitely more...involving.
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Well, the best movie is yet to come. ...Jurassic World 2?
YEEESH! Hard to imagine they might have generated any traction with this lackluster retread of story characters and situations of the very first installment, but I am given to understand it did well enough that it might be inevitable. This one traded upon all the worst of the clichés attaching to sequels -- simply rehashed the ticking of favored boxes the original featured, while supercharging the depth of the silliest aspects to the point of unflattering self-caricature -- the whole business about calculating raptors with instantaneous heretofore untapped facility for strategy and mounting ground assaults, and then climactic commiseration with uber kin -- yuck!


Not to mention having to set up yet another colossal "OOOPS!, we did it again" -- I mean that has been mentioned, but corporations investing in their own certain demise AGAIN! -- aren't we about out of moneyed interests that foolhardy? I don't know, far be it for me to complain about entertainments such as this -- I revel in them, but if they get stretched this thin, I'm gonna want better audio -- you know, I think I'll gather some time stamps from RAGNAROK -- now when that beast roars, it rips your head off -- all I'm asking, if I see a head ripped off on screen, I want the monster utterance to blast mine off as well!
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wow, i gotta check my settings out. came here expecting to see this movie get torn a new one. the aspect ratio, ugh i had to re figure out my projector, 10 minutes later. i thought the picture was much more grainy than other blu rays,( projected on a 12 ft wide 2.35) and the sound was boring and not dynamic, only thing that was stupid loud was the music making me turn it down.
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