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Independence Day: Resurgence Ultra HD Blu-ray Review



Two decades after the first Independence Day invasion, Earth is faced with a new extra-Solar threat. But will mankind's new space defenses be enough?


The Review at a Glance:
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Film:

Extras:

Audio/UHD Video total rating:
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84



Details:

Studio and Year: 20th Century Fox – 2016
MPAA Rating: PG-13
Feature running time: 120 minutes
Genre: Thriller/Sci-Fi/Action

Disc Format: BD-66
Encoding: HEVC
Video Aspect: 2.39:1
Resolution: 2160p/24

Audio Format(s): English Dolby Atmos/Dolby TrueHD 7.1, English DTS-HD 7.1 Master Audio, Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1, French DTS 5.1
Subtitles: English SDH, Spanish, French
Starring: Jeff Goldblum, Liam Hemsworth, Bill Pullman, Maika Monroe, Travis Tope, William Fichtner, Sela Ward, Charlotte Gainsbourg, Judd Hirsch
Directed by: Roland Emmerich
Music by: Thomas Wander & Harold Kloser
Written by: Nichloas Wrigth, James A. Woods, Dean Devlin, Roland Emmerich, James Vanderbilt
Region Code: A

Blu-ray Disc release Date: October 18, 2016


"We Had Twenty Years to Prepare…So Did They"


My Take:

We always knew they were coming back. After Independence Day redefined the event movie genre, the next epic chapter delivers global catastrophe on an unimaginable scale. Using recovered alien technology, the nations of Earth have collaborated on an immense defense program to protect the planet. But nothing can prepare us for the aliens' advanced and unprecedented force. Only the ingenuity of a few brave men and women can bring our world back from the brink of extinction.

Twenty years after mysterious aliens nearly wiped out humankind, they’re back with a vengeance in this sequel. Likes its predecessor Independence Day: Resurgence is a style over substance affair with big budget production elements, that takes aim at audiences seeking some good old fashioned popcorn entertainment. I personally enjoy Independence Day, despite its shortcomings, narratively speaking. This follow up doesn’t take what made its predecessor fun and freshen it up, but instead, rehashes it, and not in a good way.

The attempts to bring the same levity, purposed humanity (thin, but there nonetheless) and surface level drama/melodrama to this film, that helped keep the original afloat simply comes off as cheap and uninspired. I liked the idea of bringing back some of the characters and cast members from the original film, but other than Jeff Goldblum’s “David” and Bill Pullman’s “President Whitmore” none had anything to contribute. The action was repetitive and the performances by nearly every new face amidst the cast lacked inspiration, although I imagine some of this had to do with the poorly written dialog.

I didn’t bother to see Independence Day: Resurgence in theaters due to the poor reviews I received from friends/family that had. After seeing it I can understand the reaction and disappointment. I wanted to like it, even if only as a mindless guilty pleasure. I came away enjoying its effects laden spectacle but not much else. I suppose that’s something, but certainly not enough to keep me from wondering how after 20 years, this is the best Roland Emmerich, and company could come up with.


Parental Guide:

The rating is for sequences of sci-fi action and destruction, and some language.


AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100/EXCELLENT = 83-91/GOOD = 74-82/AVERAGE = 65-73/BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


UHD Presentation: 72
(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)


  • HDR: Dark Highlights:
  • HDR: Bright Highlights:
  • HDR: Expanded Color & WCG:
  • Resolution:
  • Visual Impact:



Dolby Atmos Rating: 96
(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)


  • Level of immersion:
  • Soundstage integration:
  • Audio object placement:
  • Effectiveness of Atmos platform:
  • Entertainment factor:



Ultra HD Blu-ray has finally been released and eager enthusiasts are ready and willing to see what it has to offer. For those not familiar with the details regarding Ultra HD Blu-ray you can refer to my article that includes some pertinent data on the subject. Here is the link:

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For those not willing to refer to the article linked above, I have included some comments here. The implementation of high dynamic range as it stands currently, doesn't appear to have exacting standards and no calibration tools to allow for a foundational threshold for setting up a visual system. This leaves us to do the best we can to determine what appears to be accurate, at least for the time being. With that in mind, my approach to reviewing Ultra HD Blu-ray will be to assess the elements observed which I find to generate the most significant visual impact when compared to standard high definition Blu-ray.

For me, Ultra HD’s high dynamic range/wide color gamut, with its broader spectrum of colors and emboldened highlights in the areas of contrast and brightness, is where the potential lies in the format. The increase in resolution, while an important component, isn't going to be definitive in every case, especially given that currently many of the Ultra HD Blu-ray releases are derived from 2K Digital Intermediates that are up-converted to 4K. This shouldn't be strictly construed to mean that such up-converted images won't look noticeably better than their 1080p counterparts. Conversely, a release finished on a 4K Digital Intermediate isn't a guarantee that it will be heads and shoulders above the rest. So, what can you expect to hear from me when discussing what I observed from Ultra HD Blu-ray? I will hit upon the things that struck me, the impact, or lack of impact, of HDR and the improvement, if any, in resolution when compared to 1080p Blu-ray. The outcome will be a rating as seen above.

Front projection for home theater is just stepping through the door with respect to the reproduction of HDR. My goal is to present readers with a reasonable expectation of what they can expect when viewing the same content that I have. There may be variables that differ slightly however I believe that in general the outcome will be close. As we are exposed to more and more content and calibration tools come onboard we will have better perspectives from which to gauge. Thanks for reading!


Independence Day: Resurgence comes to Ultra HD Blu-ray from 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment featuring 2160pHEVC encoded video and lossless Dolby Atmos/TrueHD 7.1 channel sound that has an average bitrate of 5 Mbps.

For its presentation in Ultra HD Independence Day: Resurgence (derived from a mix of 6K and 4K sources) was rendered from a 4K DI. With the limited exposure to Ultra HD sourced from a 4K Digital Intermediates we are left to judge based upon what we have seen thus far.

The film predominantly adheres to relatively cooler, teal splashed, chromatic schemes, with the exception of a few sequences (like the ones that take place in the desert), which doesn't make for especially eye catching levels of color. With a noticeable increase in detail the image appears discernibly sharper when compared to the 1080p version. When on display, primary colors like blue and red are pleasingly rich and whites appear crisp, but not especially vibrant. I did find that the added dimension in the grays, blacks, and shadows gives the image excellent depth, bettering the 1080p presentation, but not by leaps and bounds. As I watched I noted what appeared to be a reserved high dynamic range image.

Resolution during close ups was generally excellent, but wide angle shots were a mixed bag. Much of this was the case with the 1080p rendering as well, and is more than likely attributable to the extensive green screen/CGI contained in the film. I find it interesting that X-Men: Apocalypse which was also derived from high resolution elements, looks exceptionally better throughout, while here, we only see glimpses of quality Ultra HD. I must admit to being underwhelmed and ultimately disappointed by this Ultra HD presentation.


In listening to the Dolby Atmos surround mix I found it to be of the active variety that makes steady use of the platform. Its use of audio objects placed above is a mix of atmospherics, discrete effects and music accompaniment. This is done to excellent effect, creating a tangible level of immersion that coincides with the onscreen in an involving and sometime visceral fashion. The opening segment, where there’s an accident that requires Jake to put it on the line to save the day, sets the stage for what is to come, as the plethora of head turning effects bring the entire system platform to life. It only gets better later the encounters with the alien invaders contain a host of swirling effects, near field pans, pulsating music and ambient extension that rotate around the soundstage, shifting overhead, passing by at ear level and coming directly at the listening position.

It's not just the action that sounds great either. There is a sequence during the second act where Jake, David and company are traveling through a debris field in space. The sounds of the pieces of debris striking the hull of their transport is incredibly realistic, placing you within the confines of the ship. On several occasions while watching, I found myself saying aloud (with a smile on my face) this mix sounds great. This is among those entertaining Dolby Atmos presentations that brings everything together in a resplendent blend of room traversing, and well balanced sound that shows what this format is capable of.




Blu-ray Video:


Video: 90
(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)


  • Resolution/Clarity:
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Audio: 100
(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)
  • Dynamics:
  • Low frequency effects:
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  • Clarity/Detail:
  • Dialog Reproduction:


Independence Day: Resurgence comes to Blu-ray Disc from 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 26 Mbps and lossless DTS-HD 7.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 5 Mbps.

This film utilizes a stylized visual design that has a limited color scheme that works aesthetically well for the subject matter. The color range is limited to shades of dark blue, gray and black with splashes of crimson red, and muted sepia tones. Warm golden accents are used to break up the film’s monochromatic essence. Uneven light and shading are prevalent. Contrast is slightly elevated which emboldens bright sequences while occasionally obscuring fine detail. Whites are snappy and crisp and grays are multi-staged and layered. The film was largely shot against green screens which softened background elements during wide angle pans but I didn’t find it to be distracting. Overall I found the quality of the video to be high. It wasn’t always razor sharp but it was cleanly rendered with discernible levels of refinement. Blacks were dynamic and gradationally revealing and shadow detail was predominantly solid.

The Dolby TrueHD (Atmos core) and DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 channel mixes are demonstration quality and is sure to please those who like to play their systems near reference. This recording has wide dynamic range and boasts superlative clarity and high level detail. Dialog is appreciably lucid through the center channel as it penetrates well into the room. Channel separation and imaging is excellent. This draws out both large and small sound elements and allows their directional correlation based upon the onscreen events to be definable. The mix makes effective and often aggressive use of the surround channels to reproduce the spatial and discrete sounds contained in this soundtrack. Where called upon the listening position is submerged in sound that bombards the senses with a combination of discretely placed, near field, and panning sound effects. Low frequency effects are applied with authority and occasionally provide room shuddering bass. This is an involving and noteworthy audio presentation that is guaranteed to give your home theater a workout.


Bonus Features:
  • Disc 1: Independence Day: Resurgence Ultra HD Blu-ray
    Disc 1: Independence Day: Resurgence Blu-ray
  • (HD) 8 Deleted scenes with optional Director Commentary
  • Audio Commentary with Rolancd Emmerich
  • (HD) Another Day: The Making of Independence Day Resurgence (4 segments totaling 54 minutes):
    1. A New Squadron
    2. Earth As We Knew It
    3. The Tools of the Future
    4. The Invaders
  • (HD) The War of 1996 – Faux News Documentary – 5 minutes
  • (HD) It’s Early, ABQ! – Faux Morning Show – 3 minutes
  • (HD) Gag Reel – 6 minutes
  • (HD) Concept Art
  • (HD) Theatrical Trailers and TV Spots
  • Digital HD Copy



Final Thoughts:

Independence Day: Resurgence is a lackluster and ultimately disappointing follow up to 1996’s Independence Day. It comes to Blu-ray in this Ultra HD Combo Pack from 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment featuring unremarkable Ultra HD quality, solid high definition video, terrific lossless surround sound, including an entertaining Dolby Atmos immersive listening experience, and a decent supplemental package that looks behind the scenes. Independence Day: Resurgence is a missed opportunity that will more than likely leave fans of the original film disappointed. If you're curious I would strongly suggest a rental prior to purchase.











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I passed on seeing the movie at the theater and despite the poor reviews of the film, I went ahead and picked up the BD version.

The movie has some great eye and ear candy, the CG and set designs are *outstanding* but sadly, I too have to agree that the script is a pretty poor one. What the actors are doing and saying for the most part, is really lame, and at times just too stupid. Despite the somewhat cheesy dialog of the first film, it still, for the most part was a pretty good sci-fi flick.

What's so hard for me to fathom is how such great CG and set designs can co-exist in the same movie with such poorly chosen scenes/story development with accompanying poorly written dialog.

In the future, perhaps studios should consider a best-selling novelist to be the one to develop and generate an interesting story *first* before handing it over to the screen writers to then develop the script.

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I enjoyed this more than the first. Thanks for review Ralph
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Curious about the audio ratings. There have been several movies recently that you have given 4 and 5 stars to dynamics and LFE, yet the boys in "The New Master List of Bass in Movies" forum are reaching much different conclusions with readings and graphs.

Here is Independence Day: Resurgence

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post47366521

Why is there such a discrepancy? Personal opinion? Different region disk?
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Sure thing Frank and I am glad to hear that you enjoyed it.


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First, Thanks Ralph for another great review
Not to say that you include those new format for sound and video, and also the previous format.
This take lots of time on your part.


Because of Franin previous post, I am egger, to watch it, since many time we have the same taste.


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Curious about the audio ratings. There have been several movies recently that you have given 4 and 5 stars to dynamics and LFE, yet the boys in "The New Master List of Bass in Movies" forum are reaching much different conclusions with readings and graphs.

Here is Independence Day: Resurgence

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post47366521

Why is there such a discrepancy? Personal opinion? Different region disk?
Greetings,

I don't use measuring tools to determine overall bass/mix balance. The guys have very definitive tastes when it comes to LFE and extension. I can appreciate that but don't rate bass solely on that element.

Have you heard this track at home?


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Not to say that you include those new format for sound and video, and also the previous format.
This take lots of time on your part.


Because of Franin previous post, I am egger, to watch it, since many time we have the same taste.


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Not many people like this one, I prefer it better than the first so just in case you might want to rent it first.
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Not many people like this one, I prefer it better than the first so just in case you might want to rent it first.

Thanks for the heads up.


When it come to movies, I am not very picky
Has long there is some well done actions, a nice picture.
I am, good to go



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Thanks for the heads up.


When it come to movies, I am not very picky
Has long there is some well done actions, a nice picture.
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I found it a fun film with good action and nice picture.
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Spot on review Ralph. My low expectations were met.
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This is the worst film of the past year that I actually sat through. Usually I bail out on something this bad after 30 min or so. But I had to stick around to check out the UHD and HDR. (even that was so-so)
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I want to see this but I will wait until it is on Netflix so I can watch it for free.
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I enjoyed this movie and would recommend it to anyone that likes CG-type science fiction action movies.


I usually agree spot on with Ralph's scoring, but in this case I would score it slightly higher and give it 2-1/2 or 3 stars. It sure as hell should beat "Jupiter Ascending" by more than a half star (which has a score of 1-1/2 stars).
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Thought the movie was okay. It was entertaining. Didn't quite get the end. Shouldn't everything have just stayed put?
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This movie belongs on top of the same pile of Hot/Smelly dog turds that house the new Fantastic 4 and Will Smith's AfterEarth. What a waste of 2hrs of my life.
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While I enjoyed the original, based on the review and comments I'll probably pick this one up as a rental. What I don't understand about the movie industry is their seemingly endless supply of remakes. I can understand why ($$$$), but come on. There are some outstanding stories that would translate into blockbuster movies if done well. As a young kid in the 60's, I read most of Ray Bradbury's short stories, and one that has stood out over the years is "Frost and Fire". Something like this has never been done before, and could be a real money maker if done with new, unknown actors and well done special effects. But no, we have Tyler Perry movies ad nauseam or remakes galore. No wonder Hollywood is losing money each year.

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I don't use measuring tools to determine overall bass/mix balance. The guys have very definitive tastes when it comes to LFE and extension. I can appreciate that but don't rate base solely on that element.

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Same here, once calibration is done, it is done (other than readjusting the Butt Kickers, for the movie).
The mid bass department was very good, and I am glad that I did turn down my Butt Kickers a few notch down.
Way too much Tactile in the chairs


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Hi Ray
Not many people like this one, I prefer it better than the first so just in case you might want to rent it first.

Very late for my impression, this was on a back burner again


Movie it-self;
My wife and I did like-it.


Fun, good sound and lots of action
As good as the first one?
The first one was original, this one was a sequel.


Both a cheesy in there own way, and a fun ride to enjoy
I like both, for different reason.


Glad, I bought-it


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I watched this movie for the first time yesterday via UHD disc.

I liked it. I have had it for over a week. Based on bad reviews, I was not excited about watching it but it turned out to be the better movie I have seen lately.

The visuals and general story were both good. The script/lines were bad but the overall movie overcame them - just cleaning up the script and making dialog follow a more serious tone, and character building at the start, would have turned this movie into a top movie.
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The UV download process for this Fox movie on Blue Ray is horrible. The redemption code has far too many letters and numbers that could be interpreted as something else. I tried every possible alternative for S that could be a 5 and B that could be an 8, G that could be a 6 but I still cannot have the code verified. There is no way to contact customer support other than by email which I have sent. I have no idea how long it may take for them to get back to me on my inability to redeem the download and there is no phone number to call on their website. A real pain in the butt and inconvenience. So far, I have heard nothing back.

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AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100/EXCELLENT = 83-91/GOOD = 74-82/AVERAGE = 65-73/BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


UHD Presentation: 72
(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)


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Ralph, if we go by the "numbers" ... the number 72 should be in blue instead of green.
If we go by the "colors" ... the color green should be a minimum of 74 and up to 82

By the numbers it should be: UHD Presentation: 72

* Just a small accidental notice.

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Ralph, if we go by the "numbers" ... the number 72 should be in blue instead of green.
If we go by the "colors" ... the color green should be a minimum of 74 and up to 82

By the numbers it should be: UHD Presentation: 72

* Just a small accidental notice.

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Ron, I was reading Ralph's review, and I simply noticed it, that's all. I mentioned it to Ralph because I know Ralph is a conscientious Blu-ray (4K/3D) movie reviewer. If I was a professional reviewer I would appreciate feedback too.

My main hobby is musician, plus other interests, films among them. What are your other hobbies, criticizing other members?

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Ron, I was reading Ralph's review, and I simply noticed it, that's all. I mentioned it to Ralph because I know Ralph is a conscientious Blu-ray (4K/3D) movie reviewer. If I was a professional reviewer I would appreciate feedback too.

My main hobby is musician, plus other interests, films among them. What are your other hobbies, criticizing other members?

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Let me tell you how I see it. You were nitpicking on an individuals unpaid work on AVS. It doesn't matter to 99.9% of us if there was a typo in the formatting of the color code.

Ralph is an unpaid volunteer that contributes hours of his FREE time each and ever week on AVS. That's time away from family and friends.

For you to hide behind your nitpicking by saying "well, Ralph is conscientious, so he'd want to know".... If that was really the case you would have sent him a PM vs pointing out the mistake with large bold font and color coding.

So in your case, yes I am critical of your snarky post to Ralph.....who is too much of a gentlemen to call you on it.
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Oh, you're totally off your panties here. You took the negative approach; the wrong one...that's just too bad. You need to relax more in life and watch more movies.
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Oh, you're totally off your panties here. You took the negative approach; the wrong one...that's just too bad. You need to relax more in life and watch more movies.

I can't relax until I know what "totally off your panties" means?
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Ralph, if we go by the "numbers" ... the number 72 should be in blue instead of green.
If we go by the "colors" ... the color green should be a minimum of 74 and up to 82

By the numbers it should be: UHD Presentation: 72

* Just a small accidental notice.

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Ron, I was reading Ralph's review, and I simply noticed it, that's all. I mentioned it to Ralph because I know Ralph is a conscientious Blu-ray (4K/3D) movie reviewer. If I was a professional reviewer I would appreciate feedback too.

My main hobby is musician, plus other interests, films among them. What are your other hobbies, criticizing other members?

Cheers,
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Let me tell you how I see it. You were nitpicking on an individuals unpaid work on AVS. It doesn't matter to 99.9% of us if there was a typo in the formatting of the color code.

Ralph is an unpaid volunteer that contributes hours of his FREE time each and ever week on AVS. That's time away from family and friends.

For you to hide behind your nitpicking by saying "well, Ralph is conscientious, so he'd want to know".... If that was really the case you would have sent him a PM vs pointing out the mistake with large bold font and color coding.

So in your case, yes I am critical of your snarky post to Ralph.....who is too much of a gentlemen to call you on it.
Greetings,

Thanks guys. No ruffled feathers here. Bob's post came from a good place. While I agree that it could have been handled via PM, in the overall scheme of things it's a light touch.

Thanks again to you both!


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