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I will check the DTS-HD MA track the next time I watch the disc; I watched it for the first time last night running the TrueHD core mix...
I notice it only while playing the 4K disc. Let me know if I’m the only one lol I even went to a different Best Buy and swapped my disc out and still got the same issue. Granted the Atmos sounds better anyways, I just thought it was a little strange.
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Thought this movie looked really sharp. Great color too. Loved the full screen format.
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Just watched this one and the atmos sound track on Justice League is really well done with a lot of height benefit.
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My ATMOS would start playing then it would change to DTS-HD + Neural X. I can play any other movie and ATMOS would play fine. I could not get it to play ATMOS no matter what I did.

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I notice it only while playing the 4K disc. Let me know if I’m the only one lol I even went to a different Best Buy and swapped my disc out and still got the same issue. Granted the Atmos sounds better anyways, I just thought it was a little strange.
Oh, okay; I will let you know if the issue you report is on the Blu-ray's DTS-HD MA mix, as well.

I agree that Atmos/TrueHD tracks always sound better than DTS-flavored ones (at least on the 1080p/4K formats).
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Thought this movie looked really sharp. Great color too. Loved the full screen format.
How are things in Reno? I'm in Henderson!

I agree about the 1.85:1 "screen filling" format -- especially when you're running HDTVs (like we are) not projectors.
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I watched the 4K BD last night and I enjoyed it a lot. It was good, but not great. Picture quality was great & sound is better than the Marvel films for some reason. My favorites are

1. Wonder Woman
2. Man Of Steel
3. Justice League
4 Batman Vs Superman
5. Suicide Squad

I can’t wait till phase 2 starts. A solo Batman film would be great.


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I watched the 4K BD last night and I enjoyed it a lot. It was good, but not great. Picture quality was great & sound is better than the Marvel films for some reason. My favorites are

1. Wonder Woman
2. Man Of Steel
3. Justice League
4 Batman Vs Superman
5. Suicide Squad

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There was already a standalone Batman film in the works -- called The Batman -- but there are rumors that Affleck may not play the role again, so who knows what's going on.

As for the sound being better than the Marvel films, this is true -- ALL the DC-sanctioned releases of the "new generation universe" (Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice, Wonder Woman et al) have much more aggressive, punchy, dynamic mixes than Avengers, Captain America, Thor et al and their DTS-HD MA tracks (the Warner films have been mostly given Atmos/TrueHD audio, save for Man of Steel which received a 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio mix). In my system, as well, all the DC films stand head and shoulders above the Marvel-sanctioned releases in terms of audio quality. No doubt.
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There was already a standalone Batman film in the works -- called The Batman -- but there are rumors that Affleck may not play the role again, so who knows what's going on.

As for the sound being better than the Marvel films, this is true -- ALL the DC-sanctioned releases of the "new generation universe" (Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice, Wonder Woman et al) have much more aggressive, punchy, dynamic mixes than Avengers, Captain America, Thor et al and their DTS-HD MA tracks (the Warner films have been mostly given Atmos/TrueHD audio, save for Man of Steel which received a 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio mix). In my system, as well, all the DC films stand head and shoulders above the Marvel-sanctioned releases in terms of audio quality. No doubt.
Following MCU films have demo worthy sound:

1. Iron Man (Paramount)
2. Iron Man 2 (Paramount)
3. Captain America The Winter Soldier
4. Doctor Strange
5. Thor Dark World
6. Ant-Man
7. Thor (honourable mention)
8. The Incredible Hulk (Universal)

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I admit it. I actually enjoyed Justice League. Ralph, I agree with your preference for Dolby Vision. I have a Sony X800 UHD player. It's a great HDR unit but it now appears that Sony will never add Dolby Vision to it. I just watched Jessica Jones on Netflix in HDR on my Roku and the X800 and in DV directly from my LG C7 OLED TV. DV was clearly better, It was brighter and seemed to have more "oomph" than HDR. Because more and more movies will be coming out with both HDR-10 and DV formats, I decided to take the plunge and spring for an Oppo-203 player (fantastic piece of equipment worth the cost). I watched parts of Justice League on both units and the DV version just looked better than the HDR version, mostly in subtle ways but noticeable, especially overall brightness.
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Following MCU films have demo worthy sound:

1. Iron Man (Paramount)
2. Iron Man 2 (Paramount)
Agreed, to a point; yes, the first film's TrueHD track and the second's DTS-HD MA were effective.

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3. Captain America The Winter Soldier
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4. Doctor Strange
Didn't see.

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5. Thor Dark World
Disagree. And I also didn't care for the audio on the first film (DTS-HD MA 7.1)

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6. Ant-Man
Unfortunately missed it.

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7. Thor (honourable mention)
Disagree.

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8. The Incredible Hulk (Universal)
I'll give you that one, yes.

Still, NONE of these compare to the Atmos/TrueHD tracks that have been coming from the current DCU films via Warner.
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Hi Ralph

I'm back up and ruining after some system down time and put Batman vs Superman(4k,Atmos), Man of Steel (4k,Atmos) and Justice League (4k,Atmos) on my first viewing list. Having all fresh in memory over the last two weeks and can say the overall story line and arc have me extremely excited to see this come to its climax, the subtle hints throughout are there and if one knows this overall arc as it pertains to the Justice League its far from confusing as many elude too. I found the HDR to have better color than MoS and BvS which along with the 1:85 aspect ratio to be very enveloping. The Atmos mix delivered well place objects,pans and just great immersion, there was also enough low end grunt and weight to satisfy and more than locked onto the room. In the end I'm very happy with the movie and it finds it place in my collection and will get many more viewings

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along with the 1:85 aspect ratio to be very enveloping.
I agree regarding the 1.85 presentation being enveloping; I wish all home releases were in this HDTV-friendly format.
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Hi Ralph

I'm back up and ruining after some system down time and put Batman vs Superman(4k,Atmos), Man of Steel (4k,Atmos) and Justice League (4k,Atmos) on my first viewing list. Having all fresh in memory over the last two weeks and can say the overall story line and arc have me extremely excited to see this come to its climax, the subtle hints throughout are there and if one knows this overall arc as it pertains to the Justice League its far from confusing as many elude too. I found the HDR to have better color than MoS and BvS which along with the 1:85 aspect ratio to be very enveloping. The Atmos mix delivered well place objects,pans and just great immersion, there was also enough low end grunt and weight to satisfy and more than locked onto the room. In the end I'm very happy with the movie and it finds it place in my collection and will get many more viewings

Thanks for the review!
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Hey Jeff! Glad to see you're up and running (enjoying that new 8805 I'm sure). Good to hear from you and I am happy that you enjoyed JL! Thanks for taking the time and offer your thoughts/impressions.

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I agree about the 1.85:1 "screen filling" format -- especially when you're running HDTVs (like we are) not projectors.
Superhero movies where there's lots of jumping and flying around benefit from more vertical screen real estate, definitely.

I used to be a huge CinemaScope fan until I realized, I don't actually like sacrificing vertical for horizontal, most of the time. The best thing about projectors is that no matter what your preferences, you can get the biggest image possible for the smallest price.

I actually really liked this movie, it was fun and had some laugh out loud moments like when the Flash was surprised by Superman being able to track him visually, although the villain was very mediocre and I thought the graphics on him were terrible. Like not just bad, awful. Really out of place compared to the norm for Blockbusters in 2018.
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Superhero movies where there's lots of jumping and flying around benefit from more vertical screen real estate, definitely.

I used to be a huge CinemaScope fan until I realized, I don't actually like sacrificing vertical for horizontal, most of the time. The best thing about projectors is that no matter what your preferences, you can get the biggest image possible for the smallest price.

I actually really liked this movie, it was fun and had some laugh out loud moments like when the Flash was surprised by Superman being able to track him visually, although the villain was very mediocre and I thought the graphics on him were terrible. Like not just bad, awful. Really out of place compared to the norm for Blockbusters in 2018.
Couldn't agree more on just about everything you said, Axe -- especially the graphics part of your statement. I've been saying this since I revisited the film on Blu-ray last Wednesday -- Steppenwolf came across as an oddly-moving video game character of some kind, the CGI was so cheap-looking in his scenes...most of the other effects work looks like it was pieced together on the fly, as well, such as the sequence when the Amazonians are attempting to keep the Mother Box away from Steppenwolf on their horses and even Superman's resurrection. Don't forget, Snyder had to leave production duties because of his daughter's untimely and horribly unfortunate suicide, and Warner Bros. brought Joss Whedon in to complete the film in certain places, so I'm sure this added to the kind of "haphazard" feel some of the moments exhibited (the strange attempt at humor from certain characters, such as when Aquaman goes "He's not right!" during Clark's resurrection and when Bruce goes "Yeah...something is definitely bleeding..." after Clark throws him to the ground in that scene...I feel like this could have been "darker," but, hey, I'm also a fan who feels that entire resurrection sequence wasn't handled right). I agree with you that there WAS some good humor here and there (the brilliant choice to show Clark and Barry racing each other was one, as well as many of Barry's replies throughout) but I also think there were "forced" moments of humor (probably Whedon's decision, as he did the same in the first two Avengers) that didn't work and were annoying.
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I agree about the 1.85:1 "screen filling" format -- especially when you're running HDTVs (like we are) not projectors.
Lol. Doing alright. Just representing Sony for Northern Nevada.

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Justice League Ultra HD Blu-ray Review

Hmmm, the movie was not bad, not great but decent.
My 3 kids ages 12/14/16 totally liked it, heck my wife did also.

Won’t talk spoilers here.

Heck the Atmos sound mix was pretty good actually, with very appropriate usage of LFE, better that Thor Ragnarock IMO.

I bought the UHDBR, need to look at deleted scenes on BR .
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We watched Justice League last night and it was pretty good. The story seems like it could be more coherent at times, but if you're looking for a great looking/sounding flick that has decent entertainment value - Justice League fits the bill. Looking forward to see what they do with this (and the League of Doom) going forward, lots of potential.
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No kiddin', huh? Can you get me a deal on a new 4K set?
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Heck the Atmos sound mix was pretty good actually, with very appropriate usage of LFE, better that Thor Ragnarock IMO.
Of course it was; we're talking about Disney/Marvel (with regard to Thor).
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My ATMOS would start playing then it would change to DTS-HD + Neural X. I can play any other movie and ATMOS would play fine. I could not get it to play ATMOS no matter what I did.
You may have tried this, but you have to enable Dolby Atmos audio in the disk's menu. It took me a few minutes to figure out.
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Gonna rewatch the film tonight but run the DTS-HD Master Audio track to see if there's a sonic difference between it and the core TrueHD mix...

Wonder why Warner gave this title two lossless tracks when that real estate could have been better used to let the video bitrate breathe easier (especially considering there isn't a second platter of extras)...
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i guess I was one of the few who liked BvS, and really liked Man of Steel
Haven't seen JL yet, but with all the bad press, i'll wait for the UHD to be discounted before I buy it

the Flashpoint-based upcoming Flash movie has been intrigued, and I really like Wonder Woman, so i'll watch the sequel. I could care less about Aquaman, and it sounds like no more Bat-fleck except in any future ensemble DCU movies
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I liked them too, despite a myriad of issues.
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The movie was dumb. But, it wasn't as dumb and devoid of enjoyment as B vs S. It is VERY forced for sure. The alleged plot is contrived and paper thin. But, I didn't actually dislike it. It wasn't nearly as bad as I was expecting. Although, I have to admit I don't watch these from the mythos of the comics. So, I'm not so much tied up in what they got wrong/right from whichever comic version. It's surprising after they got so close to a good movie with WW, that they couldn't pull their heads out and make this an actual good movie though. I even enjoyed Man of Steel. Not that it was a great movie, but it was also not terrible in the way most DC movies are. And yet, like a lemming I show up for the next one. I'm either an eternal optimist or masochist. Not sure which.

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I notice it only while playing the 4K disc. Let me know if I’m the only one lol I even went to a different Best Buy and swapped my disc out and still got the same issue. Granted the Atmos sounds better anyways, I just thought it was a little strange.
Charles,

Rewatched the Blu-ray last night running the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 track and didn't really notice the issue you described with Superman in the beginning (unless it just totally went right past me); are you still experiencing it?

On a side note about the audio...I found, as did the review, that the DTS-HD MA mix was a TAD less impactful and dynamic than the Atmos/TrueHD track, but not monumentally so; as usual, the DTS track was a bit lower in overall mastering output, yet there were still moments that shook my room with impactful LFE, so I'd say there indeed is nothing wrong with either mix. I'm running a 5.1 speaker setup, so you'd think I'd always prefer 5.1 tracks over 7.1 or other extended surround soundtracks, yet in my system I ALWAYS prefer the sound of Dolby's TrueHD codec on Blu-rays.
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I watched this movie with the family at the theaters during openning weekend. It is a fairly enterteining popcorn flick.
The Marvel movies are much better.

I just watched the uhd bd in my HT and it is quite good.
It has some demo worthy scenes. Bass is ok but it could of been better.
Btw. The aspect ratio is 1:85:1 and not 2:39:1 as mentioned in the review.

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Btw. The aspect ratio is 1:85:1 and not 2:39:1 as mentioned in the review.
I thought that was wrong...
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