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Braveheart Ultra HD Blu-ray Review



Ralph Potts reviews the highly anticipated Ultra HD Blu-ray release of Director/Star Mel Gibson’s epic which won 5 Academy Awards, including Best Picture.



The Review at a Glance:
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Film:

Extras:

Audio/UHD Video total rating:
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95



Details:

Studio and Year: Paramount - 1995
MPAA Rating: R
Feature running time: 177 minutes
Genre: Action/Drama/Biopic

Disc Format: BD-100
Encoding: HEVC
Video Aspect: 2.35:1
Resolution: 2160p/24

Audio Format(s): English Dolby Atmos/TrueHD 7.1, French/Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Starring: Mel Gibson, Patrick McGoohan, Sophie Marceau, Catherine McCormack, Angus MacFadyen, Brendan Gleeson, Tommy Flanagan
Directed by: Mel Gibson
Music by: James Horner
Written by: Randall Wallace
Region Code: A


Release Date: May 15, 2018


"FREEDOM!!!"


My Take:

I reviewed Braveheart’s 2009 Blu-ray release, and have included my comments from that review here. Ratings for film, and bonus content will be the same, as they are identical to that release. New comments and ratings for the Ultra HD video and Dolby Atmos mix are below.

Note: There are spoilers contained below. Skip to paragraph four to avoid them.

Braveheart is the 1995 Academy Award winning film for best picture and best director for star Mel Gibson who plays the title role. It is an historical epic based upon the exploits of the Legendary Scotsman William Wallace who began the Scottish resistance against the oppressive and brutal English Monarch Edward I or Edward the “Longshanks“. In 1280 England under King Edward, has occupied much of Scotland, and his rule directly lead to the deaths of William’s father and brother. This resulted in young William being raised abroad by his uncle who taught him to use his “wits“ before using his sword as well as ensuring that he received a proper education. As the years passed the Scots continued to live under the cruel and sometimes vicious rules of King Edward. William, now an adult, returns home intent on living as a farmer and avoiding involvement in the ongoing conflict.

He begins a romance with his childhood friend Murron and the two are forced to marry in secret to avoid the primae noctis decree Longshanks has set forth. When a group of English soldiers attempt to rape Murron William defends her but unbeknownst to him she is caught while trying to get away. In an attempt to draw William out the village’s English Sheriff publicly cuts Murron's throat killing her. In retribution, an enraged William, with the assistance of his fellow villagers, slaughters the English garrison. He cuts the sheriff's throat on the same public post and with the same dagger that killed Murron.

This is the catalyst that sets into motion the heroic resistance that will pit a group of Scottish Commoners led by William Wallace against the might of the English Army. As his legend spreads, hundreds of Scots from the surrounding clans volunteer to join Wallace's militia. Wallace leads his army through a series of successful battles against the English, including the Battle of Stirling and the sack the English city of York. Problems surface when two Scottish nobles, who plan on submitting to King Edward, betray Wallace, who is defeated at the Battle of Falkirk. This would eventually lead to William’s capture and public execution at Smithfield.

Gibson’s William Wallace is portrayed as a larger than life individual who could move mountains. The factual aspects of this telling may be the subject of debate but as far as I am concerned this is a superbly crafted and gripping film. It tells a brutal, heartfelt, and multilayered tale about a man who found himself unwittingly driven to stand for freedom, liberty and independence for his countrymen after the only people he ever cared about were violently taken from him. The film conveys raw emotion, bloody violence, undying love, sadness, and a sprinkling of levity which are all wonderfully complimented by the performances of the cast. At nearly three hours this isn’t a short film but it’s tight pacing keeps it moving smoothly so it never seems that long to me.

Credit must be given where it is due and Gibson does an incredible job both in front of the camera and behind it. The international cast as a whole is simply marvelous. I find Patrick McGoohan’s portrayal of King Edward the “Longshanks” to be my favorite. He literally steals every scene he is in as his presence commands your attention. The film is beautifully shot and features superlative cinematography, complex large-scale fight choreography and an incredible music score.

Every bit the definition of an epic in both scope and subject matter Braveheart is truly an American Cinema classic. Like many of you reading this I have been eagerly awaiting this Ultra HD Blu-ray release. Keep reading to find out if the wait was worth it.


Replay Value:

Parental Guide:

The rating is for brutal medieval warfare.


AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100/EXCELLENT = 83-91/GOOD = 74-82/AVERAGE = 65-73/BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


UHD Presentation(HDR-10): 96
(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)


  • HDR: Dark Highlights:
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  • Resolution:
  • Visual Impact:



UHD Presentation (Dolby Vision): 96
(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)


  • HDR: Dark Highlights:
  • HDR: Bright Highlights:
  • HDR: Expanded Color:
  • Resolution:
  • Visual Impact:




Dolby Atmos Rating: 94
(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)


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Braveheart comes to Ultra HD Blu-ray from Paramount Home distribution featuring 2160pHEVC encoded video and lossless Dolby Atmos/TrueHD 7.1 channel sound.

Braveheart was shot on 35mm film, and Its presentation in Ultra HD is derived from that source. It's important to note that the ultimate goal for any release on home video is to present a film in the highest possible quality based upon its original elements. A film like Braveheart has an aesthetic that incorporates film grain and the use of cinematography that won't result in the type of high gloss, tack-like sharpness of many newer films shot today. This isn't a problem and shouldn't be seen as such.

This is a period specific film that strives to recreate the look and feel of director Mel Gibson’s vision. Reminiscent of two recent Ultra HD releases from Paramount, Gladiator and Saving Private Ryan, this rendering takes the faithful reproduction on Blu-ray to the next level. Braveheart has never made for a commanding visual experience on home video but, that was always a given determined by John Toll’s terrific cinematography and the elements necessary to convey the film’s somber, dark tone.

I am happy to report that its primary foundation remains fully intact while revealing layers of seemingly new levels of detail, definition, color delineation, and emboldened contrast that elevate its thematic impact. The opening scene with its beautiful flyover offers rich earth tones and subtle nuance that convey the expanse of the Scottish vistas. I was impressed with the sharpness and detail in the sequence where young Hamish and William play near the stream. The battle scene in chapter 11 where William, his captains and the Commoners faceoff against the English army and their 300 heavy horse has never looked better.

The subtle minutia visible in the period clothing and facial features among the members of the cast was striking. Grain remains perfectly intact, with an even and filmic essence that underscores the thematic content. The color range in the film is limited but the rendering of primary colors was gratifying and contrastingly vivid. I also found that fleshtones appeared gradational and quite natural, especially compared to the 1080p version. The addition of high dynamic range added a pleasing visual element that enriched both natural and artificial light. I also felt that the purposefully dark/dreary sequences benefited from the application of HDR which emboldened their blacks and shadow delineation. In addition to the increase in resolution, this made the differences between the 1080p video and this rendering standout.

As I said with Saving Private Ryan, as impressed as I was with the 1080p rendering, I found the Ultra HD presentation of Braveheart allows its attributes to be fully realized in a way that it hadn’t been before. Video enthusiasts are sure to appreciate it.




Dolby Vision vs HDR-10:

I utilize the TCL 55P607 UHD Dolby Vision HDR flat panel in my review system to enable me to compare the visual quality of titles that contained the Dolby Vision metadata versus its HDR-10 counterpart on the same disc. All titles are first watched via my JVC front projector. I then select specific scenes which are watched on the TCL, first via HDR-10 then via Dolby Vision. The TCL isn’t among the top tier flat panels with DV, however it came recommended by AVS Senior Editor Mark Henninger, and calibrates/performs extremely well for a set at its price point.

* The cumulative A/V score will still be based upon the HDR-10 rating, with the DV rating serving as informational only for now.*

Comparing the DV and HDR-10 presentations for Braveheart, I found the rendering of HDR to be essentially identical. As stated earlier, this film’s predominating elements aren’t necessarily lent to the type of eye catching HDR that allows the format shine. At the end of the day you can’t go wrong with either. Hats off to Paramount for a job well done!


In listening to the Dolby Atmos soundtrack, I was surprised at how active the mix is. The use of overhead sound objects elevates proportional correlation. When compared to the original 5.1 track the Atmos mix offers a noticeable improvement by opening up the soundstage, elevating the perception of low level detail and seemingly offering broader dynamic range. James Horner’s beautiful music score invigorates the extended sound field as its presence underscores the storyline. The film is loaded with atmospherics, off screen cues and discrete sound effects that when applied using the freedom of object-based placement adds an enriching layer to the soundtrack. This is noticeable right from the opening sequence with noteworthy examples being found throughout (the first battle sounds incredible). As good as the original lossless mix sounds, the Atmos mix adds a complimentary layer that brings the listening experience to new heights.



For those not familiar with the details regarding Ultra HD Blu-ray you can refer to my article that includes some pertinent data on the subject. Here is the link:

Ultra HD Blu-ray Has Come to AVS Forum Blu-ray Reviews


Bonus Features:
  • Braveheart Ultra HD Blu-ray
  • Braveheart Blu-ray
    • Commentary by Mel Gibson
    • BRAVEHEART Timelines
    • Battlefields of the Scottish Rebellion
    • BRAVEHEART: A Look Back
    • Smithfield: Medieval Killing Fields
    • Tales of William Wallace
    • A Writer’s Journey
  • Digital Copy



Final Thoughts:

Braveheart is truly a classic film that regales us with its interpretation of events in the life of the seemingly enigmatic Scottish hero William Wallace. True or not this is a wonderfully told story that crosses genre lines to deliver a powerful and moving cinematic experience that is a favorite of many. Its highly anticipated Ultra HD release from Paramount Home Distribution has had video enthusiasts crossing their fingers hoping for top flight image quality. I am happy to report that the wait was indeed worth it. This is a terrific and faithful video rendering that appears to preserve the film’s original source elements. Add to that an exhilarating Dolby Atmos immersive sound mix and you have a superb home viewing experience. If you’re a fan Braveheart’s Ultra HD Blu-ray release is a must have plain and simple.













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Great review Ralph. With the UHD releases of Braveheart, Black Panther and Gladiator all coming out on Tuesday, it's gonna be an expensive day.
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Wow, scores a lot higher than I was guessing for a 90's re-release. Glad to see they put some effort into this one and now looking forward to watching it again.
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Great review Ralph. With the UHD releases of Braveheart, Black Panther and Gladiator all coming out on Tuesday, it's gonna be an expensive day.
Yeah... in addition to those 3 I also picked up DieHard which is also the only one of the 4 I've seen.

Much like Saving Private Ryan last week... the first viewings of Braveheart, Black Panther and Gladiator will be on an OLED. Worth the wait? Most definitely!

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"FREEDOM!!!"

... Another Great Review as was the review of the UHD Release of Saving Private Ryan in Dolby Atmos ! While the upgraded UHD definitely improves the visual experience I find the Audio Upgrade to be as impressive if not more so ! I decided not to hold my breath for D.V. and watched S.P.R. in HDR 10.

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Yeah... in addition to those 3 I also picked up DieHard which is also the only one of the 4 I've seen.

Much like Saving Private Ryan last week... the first viewings of Braveheart, Black Panther and Gladiator will be on an OLED. Worth the wait? Most definitely!

Thanks for the review Ralph!

... Not to see some of those movies at least once did you pull a Tom Hanks "Cast Away" and just returned to civilization ? I am envious Sir/Madam not to be seeing those movies for the first time and in UHD no less !

... I forgot to add this earlier. I know that there are 3D Haters out there but what a shame some of these Premiere Films have not also been released in 3D ! Imagine seeing S.P.R. or Braveheart in 3D ! Very !

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yet again another review where you say hdr10 and DV look identical, i was just on another forum where some people were saying Dv's color palette makes a noticeable difference on braveheart, the review on blu-ray.com praises the DV too. http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Braveh...lu-ray/200176/
it could be the tcl tv youre using isnt upto the mark, tcl's are very average with performance, they are decent value for money but not even close to reference equipment. professional reviews should use better equipment, even something like a lg oled would do better.
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yet again another review where you say hdr10 and DV look identical, i was just on another forum where some people were saying Dv's color palette makes a noticeable difference on braveheart, the review on blu-ray.com praises the DV too. http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Braveh...lu-ray/200176/
it could be the tcl tv youre using isnt upto the mark, tcl's are very average with performance, they are decent value for money but not even close to reference equipment. professional reviews should use better equipment, even something like a lg oled would do better.
Greetings,

The DV/HDR-10 renderings do make a difference, as stated in my review. The review that you linked to doesn't make comparison between the two but, positively reflects the DV presentations strengths. It's safe to say that you haven't seen either. You have stated your opinion on this matter before. There is no need to do so again, I get your point. An upgrade may be in my future but, not at the moment. If you don't find that aspect of the review to be credible you can ignore it.


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The DV/HDR-10 renderings do make a difference, as stated in my review. The review that you linked to doesn't make comparison between the two but, positively reflects the DV presentations strengths. It's safe to say that you haven't seen either. You have stated your opinion on this matter before. There is no need to do so again, I get your point. An upgrade may be in my future but, not at the moment. If you don't find that aspect of the review to be credible you can ignore it.


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your opinions on the sound aspect sound credible because you use good gear, yes probably i should skim over the section/paragraph in your reviews where you do dolby vision vs hdr10, find it a little hard to believe they look almost identical when people with other tv's (like lg oleds) say there is a difference. i'd never use a tcl tv anyway, dont think they even have high measurable peak brightness on the level of a high end sony or samsung lcd. anyways sounds like a very good remaster even if youre not using DV and only the base hdr10.
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your opinions on the sound aspect sound credible because you use good gear, yes probably i should skim over the section/paragraph in your reviews where you do dolby vision vs hdr10, find it a little hard to believe they look almost identical when people with other tv's (like lg oleds) say there is a difference. i'd never use a tcl tv anyway, dont think they even have high measurable peak brightness on the level of a high end sony or samsung lcd. anyways sounds like a very good remaster even if youre not using DV and only the base hdr10.
What’s your problem, man? You want the guy to buy a $2K plus tv just so he can skip through movies to compare different HDR codecs? I’ve seen TCL’s and have read a ton of glowing reviews on them, they’re no joke. I’ve also seen Ralph’s screen and can attest that the image quality he’s getting on his projector without Dolby Vision is stunning. Don’t know why you feel the need to challenge his credibility (which is what it seems your doing, even if your not trying to) because his secondary screen doesn’t meet your exacting specifications.
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Yeah... in addition to those 3 I also picked up DieHard which is also the only one of the 4 I've seen.

Much like Saving Private Ryan last week... the first viewings of Braveheart, Black Panther and Gladiator will be on an OLED. Worth the wait? Most definitely!

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... Not to see some of those movies at least once did you pull a Tom Hanks "Cast Away" and just returned to civilization ? I am envious Sir/Madam not to be seeing those movies for the first time and in UHD no less !
I think it's just because I was young and had different tastes back then... I'll be 44 this year... which had me at 21 with the release of Braveheart... 24 with SPR and 26 with Gladiator.

Back then movies just didn't interest me like they do now! Yep... that's it!

With Black Panther I just was too busy to hit the theater.

I bought my 65" OLED in February with an Atmos sound bar and man... SPR was a real treat last week. I'm looking forward to these too. A lot of good films are coming out this month and next in UHD. As far as movies in the theater... I dunno. IMO watching them at home is better!

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Hi Ralph

Thanks for another great ! review. You are making it very hard for me not to keep double dipping! First, Saving Private Ryan, then Gladiator, now Braveheart and next week Die Hard. I'll have to figure out how to keep all of these purchases under my family's radar screen or else I know they will have lots of comments to make about my obsession!

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Another great review from Ralph, another great 4k release from Paramount. I will be buying this as i did with Private Ryan, and I think we should all reward Paramount and other studios that go to great lengths, especially with these older classic epic movies, by buying the discs-and keep buying them as that will be the incentive for the studios to continue going the extra mile for us enthusiasts. Buy, Buy, Buy vote with your wallets folks, lets keep this going!
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your opinions on the sound aspect sound credible because you use good gear, yes probably i should skim over the section/paragraph in your reviews where you do dolby vision vs hdr10, find it a little hard to believe they look almost identical when people with other tv's (like lg oleds) say there is a difference. i'd never use a tcl tv anyway, dont think they even have high measurable peak brightness on the level of a high end sony or samsung lcd. anyways sounds like a very good remaster even if youre not using DV and only the base hdr10.
I think it's a very refreshing thing to see professional reviewers evaluating disc in less than crème de la crème equipment. It's also good to know how a disc will look in less expensive, more affordable gear. There's also the possibility than the Dolby Vision isn't that much better than HDR10, at least in his opinion. At least he makes his equipment known to everyone so everybody knows his point of reference.
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I think it's a very refreshing thing to see professional reviewers evaluating disc in less than crème de la crème equipment. It's also good to know how a disc will look in less expensive, more affordable gear. There's also the possibility than the Dolby Vision isn't that much better than HDR10, at least in his opinion. At least he makes his equipment known to everyone so everybody knows his point of reference.
Really well stated and thoughtful response. Thanks for your post.


For others that may see things differently (like the member AmerCa quoted), please remember Ralph volunteers his time and energy (as well as his equipment usage) to provide these reviews for all members. It's not uncommon for people in this hobby to have a "stack" of unwatched movies that they don't have time to get to...why? Our jobs, family time, daily duties. ...etc etc. As the AVS reviewer Ralph puts some of those things aside, so we can have an early review before we buy a title.

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Another great review Ralph! I was likely not going to invest in this title. As much as I really like the film, I figured - "I've seen it enough", but after reading the review, I will have to seriously consider adding this to the collection. Thanks you!
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Well, Ralph, you've gone and "done it again!" I'm speaking of whetting my appetite enough to "double-dip" on this one. If I do, I'll have to take the advice of Cal68 and "keep this purchase under the family's radar screen."
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I think it's a very refreshing thing to see professional reviewers evaluating disc in less than crème de la crème equipment. It's also good to know how a disc will look in less expensive, more affordable gear. There's also the possibility than the Dolby Vision isn't that much better than HDR10, at least in his opinion. At least he makes his equipment known to everyone so everybody knows his point of reference.
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Really well stated and thoughtful response. Thanks for your post.


For others that may see things differently (like the member AmerCa quoted), please remember Ralph volunteers his time and energy (as well as his equipment usage) to provide these reviews for all members. It's not uncommon for people in this hobby to have a "stack" of unwatched movies that they don't have time to get to...why? Our jobs, family time, daily duties. ...etc etc. As the AVS reviewer Ralph puts some of those things aside, so we can have an early review before we buy a title.

For those thinking to themselves...."yea but"......no need to post those concerns.
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What’s your problem, man? You want the guy to buy a $2K plus tv just so he can skip through movies to compare different HDR codecs? I’ve seen TCL’s and have read a ton of glowing reviews on them, they’re no joke. I’ve also seen Ralph’s screen and can attest that the image quality he’s getting on his projector without Dolby Vision is stunning. Don’t know why you feel the need to challenge his credibility (which is what it seems your doing, even if your not trying to) because his secondary screen doesn’t meet your exacting specifications.
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Thanks guys. It's a balancing act for certain. My goal is to provide the community with a reasonable expectation of what they will experience playing the material on their system. Am I right 100% of the time? Absolutely not. This is my 10th year as AVS Forum Blu-ray Reviewer and you can trust me I have made mistakes but, I would like to hope that I have been in the ballpark more often than not.

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I think it's a very refreshing thing to see professional reviewers evaluating disc in less than crème de la crème equipment. It's also good to know how a disc will look in less expensive, more affordable gear. There's also the possibility than the Dolby Vision isn't that much better than HDR10, at least in his opinion. At least he makes his equipment known to everyone so everybody knows his point of reference.
This is not a knock against Ralph at all, but IMHO if you want to truly evaluate overall UHD and HDR picture quality, a projector of that level should not be the first avenue for critical judgement, but a professionally calibrated high end panel since pro-grade laser projectors for the home like those from Barco with great HDR mapping and perceived inky black levels of equivalent caliber are a HUGE investment. Evaluation of Dolby Vision content probably should not be happening on a budget TCL display either, and I actually own one as well. You don't get great HDR-10 on a projector of that caliber nor do you get great 12 bit Dolby Vision on a budget display with an 8 bit+2bit FRC panel, so it's hard to truly get a handle on either.

That said, it is indeed refreshing that Ralph does discuss what equipment is being used, so the reader can make up his or her own mind whether the review is worthy of consideration or not.

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This is not a knock against Ralph at all, but IMHO if you want to truly evaluate overall UHD and HDR picture quality, a projector of that level should not be the first avenue for critical judgement, but a professionally calibrated high end panel since pro-grade laser projectors for the home like those from Barco with great HDR mapping and perceived inky black levels of equivalent caliber are a HUGE investment. Evaluation of Dolby Vision content probably should not be happening on a budget TCL display either, and I actually own one as well. You don't get great HDR-10 on a projector of that caliber nor do you get great 12 bit Dolby Vision on a budget display with an 8 bit+2bit FRC panel, so it's hard to truly get a handle on either.

That said, it is indeed refreshing that Ralph does discuss what equipment is being used, so the reader can make up his or her own mind whether the review is worthy of consideration or not.
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Thanks Dan. Not sure what lies in store regarding system upgrades. Frankly, reviewing takes quite a bit of my time, leaving me with very little time to enjoy my personal collection. If the reviews are not considered to be worthwhile it may be time to move on.


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Thanks Dan. Not sure what lies in store regarding system upgrades. Frankly, reviewing takes quite a bit of my time, leaving me with very little time to enjoy my personal collection. If the reviews are not considered to be worthwhile it may be time to move on.


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Oh, I do appreciate the time you spend and the effort put forth on reviews, so please don't take what I said as a slight. They do give us a glimpse of a real world home theater scenario.
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Thanks Dan. Not sure what lies in store regarding system upgrades. Frankly, reviewing takes quite a bit of my time, leaving me with very little time to enjoy my personal collection. If the reviews are not considered to be worthwhile it may be time to move on.

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Oh, I do appreciate the time you spend....They do give us a glimpse of a real world home theater scenario.
Ralph, believe me when I say, "Your reviews are appreciated more than you can ever know." I would encourage you to "keep on keeping on," in spite of what has been said in recent posts. At the very least your reviews give us, as Dan said (and I have quoted), "a glimpse of a real world home theater scenario."

I have had similar experiences, through the years, on the "New PQ Tier Thread for Discussion." I recall one such time vividly, for I had posted numerous reviews using my Pioneer Elite KURO PRO-151 plasma and then a post popped up from a member who visited the thread frequently and he asked me, "Who calibrated your Pioneer KURO display?" I replied, "Due to my location, I am not in an area where Professional (touring) Calibrators travel, so I have never had it calibrated." I did go on to say, "But this display is known for having an almost perfect gray-scale "out of box" when set on the "Pure Mode" setting, plus I have tweaked it using D-Nice's settings which he graciously offered to AVS members." His response was, "Well, here I've been coming to this site for years only to learn that you really aren't qualified to be giving reviews on Picture Quality."

I was taken aback by his words. I tried to defend myself by saying, "The vast majority of those who tune in to the PQ Thread are not going to have the absolute best display and one that's been calibrated every 2-3 years by a touring ISF-approved calibrator. So when they read a review by me they are getting it from someone who they can identify with more readily." That didn't seem to mean anything to him and I've never seen a post from him after that.

Let me clear, I'm not advocating using "inferior equipment" nor do I decry hiring a professional to calibrate your display. What I am espousing is the view that one need not have the "best of the best" to be qualified to give their "experienced opinion." I say "experienced" for I know that the more one watches HD/UHD Blu-rays, the more adept they become at analyzing Picture Quality...its POSITIVES and its NEGATIVES. So again, with all of your "experience," I say again, "Keep on keeping on!"
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....His response was, "Well, here I've been coming to this site for years only to learn that you really aren't qualified to be giving reviews on Picture Quality."
Wow, man! I must have missed that when reading old pages. I can't believe that! No matter who is the author of the review or his equipment/settings, I believe at the end of the day everything is an opinion, and should be taken as such. It's great that there are "professional" reviewers that have the best of the best when it comes to equipment, but I value just as much (perhaps even more) the opinion of a "regular Joe" that shares his experiences on his regular setup, which probably is much closer to what an average home viewing is like. I appreciate the time and effort of everyone that decides to share his thoughts of a particular disc in his own setup, regardless if such person is"qualified" or not.

@Ralph Potts: I know first hand that your reviews are certainly appreciated by many people, and sometimes I see them quoted or references on other sites. Personally, I may not "follow" closely your reviews, but I do appreciate them and it's great that this site has a reviewer like you that is both honest in his views and open to debate and interact with his readers. The time and effort you put in them is apparent. I sometimes write small "reviews" (if you can call them such) in the PQ thread referenced by Djoberg, and even writing such small bits can be time-consuming and often not easy to write. I respect and admire what you do, I certainly I wouldn't be able to do it with the regularity, precision, scale and commitment you show in them.

So, yes, keep them coming!
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Excellent review Ralph, as always! I just want to agree with you about HDR10/DV. From personal experience, using a LG OLED/Oppo 203 the differences are minimal at best. Keep up the good work.
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your opinions on the sound aspect sound credible because you use good gear, yes probably i should skim over the section/paragraph in your reviews where you do dolby vision vs hdr10, find it a little hard to believe they look almost identical when people with other tv's (like lg oleds) say there is a difference. i'd never use a tcl tv anyway, dont think they even have high measurable peak brightness on the level of a high end sony or samsung lcd. anyways sounds like a very good remaster even if youre not using DV and only the base hdr10.
Not a lot of reviews actually look at HDR10 vs DV. They typically are comparing DV to no HDR at all.
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Thank you Ralph Potts for all your time and effort to review movies and provide your insight on what you do for the rest of us to enjoy. I personally look forward to your reviews and come to your thread about every other day(as much as my wallet can handle). I find your insight professionally done and enjoy your thoughts on how the movie reflects on you. Please keep doing what you do, as we do appreciate your work on!
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I usually read 3-5 independent reviews before making a purchase, not because I don't trust Ralph's reviews, but because doing so lends credibility to each of them. If you read multiple reviewers with different setups all saying that "the bass is weak" and "the image is soft", then chances are pretty good that you'll experience the same on your own system. If you don't have a similar experience, then maybe your setup or your expectation is abnormal. Let's temper academics with some reality here.

It's rather absurd to belittle Ralph's reviews based upon the equipment used for so many reasons. The first reason being that his equipment is pretty darn good (FAR better than average) and his reviews are consistent. Likewise, the specific breakdowns of how each score is measured adds significantly more transparency than most reviews. Most important to me is the benefit of his discernment that comes from experience. Is the goal to produce a meaningful analysis of the material or to show off gear? I would trust Ralph with an uncalibrated, Black Friday doorbuster, 32" 720p Dynex over someone that uses $1,000/ft speaker cable on elevators to avoid cable resonance, but not just because I think the latter is a fool.

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Nothing wrong with saying when you disagree with Ralph's findings after viewing it yourself on your equipment. In fact, it can be helpful because others may have your same equipment and may have the same experience.

Pointing to other reviews though without even seeing the disk yourself? That's a bit much....
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Greetings,

Thanks Dan. Not sure what lies in store regarding system upgrades. Frankly, reviewing takes quite a bit of my time, leaving me with very little time to enjoy my personal collection. If the reviews are not considered to be worthwhile it may be time to move on.


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As I stated before, I do not post often but I read every single review you write before deciding on a purchase of a BD/UHD disc. It has literally become part of the whole buying/watching experience for me, and I know a whole host more of folks who frequent this forum. If you stopped, boy would there be a lot of folks who missed that, me included!
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Ralph, believe me when I say, "Your reviews are appreciated more than you can ever know." I would encourage you to "keep on keeping on," in spite of what has been said in recent posts. At the very least your reviews give us, as Dan said (and I have quoted), "a glimpse of a real world home theater scenario."

I have had similar experiences, through the years, on the "New PQ Tier Thread for Discussion." I recall one such time vividly, for I had posted numerous reviews using my Pioneer Elite KURO PRO-151 plasma and then a post popped up from a member who visited the thread frequently and he asked me, "Who calibrated your Pioneer KURO display?" I replied, "Due to my location, I am not in an area where Professional (touring) Calibrators travel, so I have never had it calibrated." I did go on to say, "But this display is known for having an almost perfect gray-scale "out of box" when set on the "Pure Mode" setting, plus I have tweaked it using D-Nice's settings which he graciously offered to AVS members." His response was, "Well, here I've been coming to this site for years only to learn that you really aren't qualified to be giving reviews on Picture Quality."

I was taken aback by his words. I tried to defend myself by saying, "The vast majority of those who tune in to the PQ Thread are not going to have the absolute best display and one that's been calibrated every 2-3 years by a touring ISF-approved calibrator. So when they read a review by me they are getting it from someone who they can identify with more readily." That didn't seem to mean anything to him and I've never seen a post from him after that.

Let me clear, I'm not advocating using "inferior equipment" nor do I decry hiring a professional to calibrate your display. What I am espousing is the view that one need not have the "best of the best" to be qualified to give their "experienced opinion." I say "experienced" for I know that the more one watches HD/UHD Blu-rays, the more adept they become at analyzing Picture Quality...its POSITIVES and its NEGATIVES. So again, with all of your "experience," I say again, "Keep on keeping on!"
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Wow, man! I must have missed that when reading old pages. I can't believe that! No matter who is the author of the review or his equipment/settings, I believe at the end of the day everything is an opinion, and should be taken as such. It's great that there are "professional" reviewers that have the best of the best when it comes to equipment, but I value just as much (perhaps even more) the opinion of a "regular Joe" that shares his experiences on his regular setup, which probably is much closer to what an average home viewing is like. I appreciate the time and effort of everyone that decides to share his thoughts of a particular disc in his own setup, regardless if such person is"qualified" or not.

@Ralph Potts: I know first hand that your reviews are certainly appreciated by many people, and sometimes I see them quoted or references on other sites. Personally, I may not "follow" closely your reviews, but I do appreciate them and it's great that this site has a reviewer like you that is both honest in his views and open to debate and interact with his readers. The time and effort you put in them is apparent. I sometimes write small "reviews" (if you can call them such) in the PQ thread referenced by Djoberg, and even writing such small bits can be time-consuming and often not easy to write. I respect and admire what you do, I certainly I wouldn't be able to do it with the regularity, precision, scale and commitment you show in them.

So, yes, keep them coming!
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Excellent review Ralph, as always! I just want to agree with you about HDR10/DV. From personal experience, using a LG OLED/Oppo 203 the differences are minimal at best. Keep up the good work.
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I usually read 3-5 independent reviews before making a purchase, not because I don't trust Ralph's reviews, but because doing so lends credibility to each of them. If you read multiple reviewers with different setups all saying that "the bass is weak" and "the image is soft", then chances are pretty good that you'll experience the same on your own system. If you don't have a similar experience, then maybe your setup or your expectation is abnormal. Let's temper academics with some reality here.

It's rather absurd to belittle Ralph's reviews based upon the equipment used for so many reasons. The first reason being that his equipment is pretty darn good (FAR better than average) and his reviews are consistent. Likewise, the specific breakdowns of how each score is measured adds significantly more transparency than most reviews. Most important to me is the benefit of his discernment that comes from experience. Is the goal to produce a meaningful analysis of the material or to show off gear? I would trust Ralph with an uncalibrated, Black Friday doorbuster, 32" 720p Dynex over someone that uses $1,000/ft speaker cable on elevators to avoid cable resonance, but not just because I think the latter is a fool.

/soapbox

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Nothing wrong with saying when you disagree with Ralph's findings after viewing it yourself on your equipment. In fact, it can be helpful because others may have your same equipment and may have the same experience.

Pointing to other reviews though without even seeing the disk yourself? That's a bit much....
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As I stated before, I do not post often but I read every single review you write before deciding on a purchase of a BD/UHD disc. It has literally become part of the whole buying/watching experience for me, and I know a whole host more of folks who frequent this forum. If you stopped, boy would there be a lot of folks who missed that, me included!

Greetings,

Thank you all, really. I have been doing this a long time and would never want to be in a position where my contribution to AVS wasn't useful. I am always open to constructive criticism and generally don't have thin skin. Sometimes something strikes a chord I suppose. You support is greatly appreciated.

Now, back on topic! Braveheart comes out on UHD TOMORROW!


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I usually read 3-5 independent reviews before making a purchase, not because I don't trust Ralph's reviews, but because doing so lends credibility to each of them. If you read multiple reviewers with different setups all saying that "the bass is weak" and "the image is soft", then chances are pretty good that you'll experience the same on your own system. If you don't have a similar experience, then maybe your setup or your expectation is abnormal. Let's temper academics with some reality here.
Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking, but truth be told, I was too lazy to type, no offense Ralph


After reading multiple reviews this is by far the most anticipated delivery of the year to this point for me, new or remaster. oh yeah, thanks for the review
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