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post #31 of 194 Old 09-17-2018, 06:17 AM
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Ralph Potts, Ralph.

First thank you, for your honest and detail review, as always.

This new franchise had so much potential, I very much like "The Force Awaken" and "Rogue One".
"The Last Jedi", only so, so. It had it's moments, but not enough for me to double dip, to get the 4K/UHD version.
And now this one, another disappointment and the worst part, there is no spectacular picture quality, and the sound is only mediocre, according to your review

As a Star Wars fan, I will still buy-it.
But will not expect too much from-it, and might get push back in the cue depending of the new release coming.


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Thanks for an enlightening in-depth review.


I ordered the 3D Blu-ray from the UK for a special home theater evening at the end of the month (many SW friends that didn't watch it in a theater) and was considering to buy the UHD BD, too.


From what I read I seem to be on the safe side with the 3D Blu-ray and DTS Neural: X upmixing.

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Im not even sure the kids love it, due to the poor showing at the theaters. This is the worst rating I’ve ever seen Ralph give and he’s pretty easy and forgiving to some pretty bad mess ups - Thor Ragnorok and the latest Avengers come to mind. If reviewers and consumers start making a stink about this crap then hopefully the marketplace will do its thing in changing behaviors.
I think there's some Star Wars oversaturation, for sure. Disney is overdoing it because they paid a Bezos ransom for it.

But I also heard this is a good episode, kind of like Rogue One. Too bad they didn't accompany it with property A/V production. They could have sold a ton of discs.

Now, I'll just rent it.

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Well... thanks for making it easy on me Disney. Easy no buy for me. The first Star Wars film I will not own (I EVEN OWN EPISODE ONE). Fix your sound mixing and keep up with technology (Dolby Vision and correct usage of Dolby Atmos) if you want to keep making money.....
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so...are you just trying to brag that you spent $30k on a AV processor? That relates to the movie or the review how? It's funny though...people with that type of equipment aren't bragging about it...just saying.

If you don't want the movie stick to reasons for that. Everything in your post is nonsense.
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Greetings,

The audio is certainly doable once you find the volume's sweet spot but, at the end of the day, these mixes shouldn't require such trial and error, which results in varied listening experiences. The Atmos mix doesn't make use of the format's potential which when coupled with the track's uneven dynamic range results in frustration for those with systems capable of thrilling playback.


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I'm buying it because my son and his wife thought it was great.
Perhaps I'll have an addendum to this posting once the Disney Movie Club manages to slow mail it to me.

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The audio is certainly doable once you find the volume's sweet spot but, at the end of the day, these mixes shouldn't require such trial and error, which results in varied listening experiences. The Atmos mix doesn't make use of the format's potential which when coupled with the track's uneven dynamic range results in frustration for those with systems capable of thrilling playback.


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It's really a shame that Disney can't seem to get their act together on this, especially seeing how good they used to be in the Audio department with regards to home releases. Ralph, do you know if anyone has started a petition to be sent to the appropriate folks at Disney?
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I'm interested if there's much of a difference in the audio and video compared to the Vudu 4K stream. I'm fairly certain the volume issue with Disney films is not there when streaming.
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I'm interested if there's much of a difference in the audio and video compared to the Vudu 4K stream. I'm fairly certain the volume issue with Disney films is not there when streaming.
that will actually make an even more interesting case, if Disney's lossy streaming audio turns out "better" than lossless optical audio

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Thank you for the review Ralph! Disney might get the message if enough reviewers give low scores.

I am thinking about cancelling my BB steel book order. It would be the first SW film I have not purchased.

For the life of me I just don't understand how or why this is happening but it is a sadly dependable trend. The sound engineers at Disney should be ashamed of themselves.
The only message that Disney gets are the receipts from retail sales. I doubt that the suits care much about web site reviews and, in this case, incredibly, there are number of reviews out there that give Solo's video and audio quality 4.5-5.0. Not so Ralph and the guys at Blu-ray.com. That review was not kind either. The profit margin always holds sway and in Solo's case, it's poor performance at the box office prompted Disney to scuttle additional Star Wars "stand alones" that were being planned. See, they do listen, just not to us.
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look at how he rated the sound quality
i am starting to think maybe Disney does not care about sound period
has Disney even made a reference or killer sound track for any 4k movies period ?
starting to think we are all screwed hate to see what they do to the Fox Movies as well since they mix all there movies at skywalker sound ranch
The sad thing is that Avengers Infinity War was, from an audio standpoint, better than Disney's sub-par soundtracks on Ragnarok and Black Panther. It still wasn't outstanding but was a definite improvement. It looks like the sound engineers regressed with Solo. Not an encouraging sign for future Star Wars and Marvel releases.
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Little did I realize how right I was as my jaw dropped upon seeing that huge Star Destroyer come into view and fill the screen.

I have often described my experience seeing Star Wars on its initial run using almost the exact same sentence! No wonder I have always found your reviews so resonant for me. We essentially grew up with the same movies and cultural touchstones. And again, I agree. It was not as bad as some people say. It was fun, but it was probably not really necessary either.
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what a sad review of the UHD disc, i'm really on the fence about buying vs renting this


how would every rate this vs Rogue One, The Force Awakens, Last Jedi, and the Prequels? I won't even bother asking to rate against the original Trilogy
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I'm a huge Starwars Fan but did not see this one yet. I'm waiting for the UHD boxset of Ep7-9 and I will get Ep 1-6 in UHD if or when it comes out. I'm not too big on the side stories but it looks like I will just wait for this one to show up on Netflix so I can watch it for "Free". At some point I will buy them all as I like to show my kids all the movies when they each are old enough. I have done it with my oldest and the next one will be in a few years. Then just one more. I really hope they do a good job with Ep 4-6 on UHD.
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Yet another "Disneyfied" disaster on home video! Not surprising given the track history. Unfortunately all this ranting about their audio mixing will not change anything. They will continue to give you sub-optimal sound and "printed" 7.1.4 until pigs fly essentially. That being said, for those that have an outboard DSP, you can always set a high shelf at 40Hz with 6-8dB gain for the LFE channel, and increase your surrounds by 3-6dB. Too often these reviews detract into Disney/Studio bashing and not much is gleaned from what people actually thought of the movie.

I applaud Ron Howard for taking on a sinking ship with this production that was so troubled from the start and have always enjoyed his brand of storytelling. With Ralph's informative review, I look forward to enjoying the film for what it is and adjusting my system accordingly. A sad reflection on big corporations and the people running them!
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I think there's some Star Wars oversaturation, for sure. Disney is overdoing it because they paid a Bezos ransom for it.

But I also heard this is a good episode, kind of like Rogue One. Too bad they didn't accompany it with property A/V production. They could have sold a ton of discs.

Now, I'll just rent it.
I have been thinking, are we asking too much from Disney? Yes the movie itself is not bad(saw in the theatre), it's actually pretty good. Not like Last Jedi. I, like Ralph and NCCaniac, remember when the first Star Wars came out, a real mind blower! The movies were epic in scope and were 3 years apart so the anticipation was crazy. They stood for the "state of the art" in film making (technically speaking) and story. Fast forward a few decades, and the blu ray remix of the original trilogy from a few years ago was a stellar effort, well done Disney! So now, this much revered franchise is just getting the so-so treatment. I guess "the suits" just look at the $, but those of us that have spent money on quality equipment (and some that have spent a King's ransom), maybe shouldn't expect every film, Disney or other studios, to be reference quality because in the end, mr. and mrs. john q public really doesn't care about audio and video quality.
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I have been thinking, are we asking too much from Disney? maybe shouldn't expect every film, Disney or other studios, to be reference quality because in the end, mr. and mrs. john q public really doesn't care about audio and video quality.
No, movies like Lego Batman, Lego Ninjago, Monsters University , Coco etc are made for kids but do try to appease adults who have to sit through them, all have good dynamic range.

Pop in a Maze Runner bd, a action film with great dynamic range. It could just be ignorance is bliss in the sound department. If nobody cared all movies would be garbage. Somebody cares, Battle:La is a mediocre movie with over the top sound.

If this was a Frozen franchise it wouldnt be a problem, this is Star Wars, should be epic but thats just me.

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No, movies like Lego Batman, Lego Ninjago, Monsters University , Coco etc are made for kids but do try to appease adults who have to sit through them, all have good dynamic range.

Pop in a Maze Runner bd, a action film with great dynamic range. It could just be ignorance is bliss in the sound department. If nobody cared all movies would be garbage. Somebody cares, Battle:La is a mediocre movie with over the top sound.

If this was a Frozen franchise it wouldnt be a problem, this is Star Wars, should be epic but thats just me.

Not beating you up. Im not asking too much from Disney, they arent giving me my moneys worth.
All valid points, my friend. That's kind of why I stated a few posts ago (first page) that this may be the first Star Wars film ever that I will not purchase. Just speculating on the realty, however bleak, for us enthusiasts.
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I have been thinking, are we asking too much from Disney? Yes the movie itself is not bad(saw in the theatre), it's actually pretty good. Not like Last Jedi. I, like Ralph and NCCaniac, remember when the first Star Wars came out, a real mind blower! The movies were epic in scope and were 3 years apart so the anticipation was crazy. They stood for the "state of the art" in film making (technically speaking) and story. Fast forward a few decades, and the blu ray remix of the original trilogy from a few years ago was a stellar effort, well done Disney! So now, this much revered franchise is just getting the so-so treatment. I guess "the suits" just look at the $, but those of us that have spent money on quality equipment (and some that have spent a King's ransom), maybe shouldn't expect every film, Disney or other studios, to be reference quality because in the end, mr. and mrs. john q public really doesn't care about audio and video quality.
The Earlier SW movies were Fox/Lucasfilm properties, Disney never remixed anything after the purchase of Lucasfilm, all SW films [except Episode IV] were mixed or remixed at Skywalker ranch, which is still belongs to George Lucas. Naturally Solo was mixed there too, but clearly by a different personnel. They should have brought back Ben Burt, or Gary Rydstrom.
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What baffles me is this film had a production budget of $300m. Yes 300 million dollars but the cinematography and filming style adopted is reminiscent of low budget films trying hard to hide poor CG by making the picture look dull and hazy. Why these chose to go this path for a franchise like Star Wars is beyond me.

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So sad to hear.

I see I can pick up the Blu-ray disc for $13.99. That is probably the route I will go on this one.

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It's really a shame that Disney can't seem to get their act together on this, especially seeing how good they used to be in the Audio department with regards to home releases.
That's where I am just confused. Disney obviously has (had?) some serious audio talent over there, so did they fire all their best sound engineers or is there some sort of directive coming down from the top to do this? I seriously can't tell if it's intentional or not, because it just doesn't seem to make much business sense to cripple home releases since that would seemingly deter disc sales. At least to my non-MBA perspective that is. What I am I missing with this picture?
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I seriously can't tell if it's intentional or not, because it just doesn't seem to make much business sense to cripple home releases since that would seemingly deter disc sales. At least to my non-MBA perspective that is. What I am I missing with this picture?

Same here. Can't shake the suspicion that Disney deliberately worsens physical discs, so that their movies can "shine" when these are streamed. The way I see it Disney would rather like to dispense physical discs on behalf of their streaming services.


In the particular case of "Star Wars" I think this will turn out to be one of their stupidiest business decisions.


IMHO an important ingredient of the special "Star Wars Touch" under the (younger) George Lucas had always been to provide audiences with the best theatrical or home video experience possible. Star Wars was the second film ever in Dolby Stereo, then came THX, Dolby Digital EX for The Phantom Menace (aka Episode I) etc.


Heck, I criticized the 1990's German THX LaserDisc release by highlighting its various shortcomings (compared to the US release) in a Star Wars fan magazine - and later was told that Lucasfilm took notice and had the German responsibles fired because the final product had such subpar quality!
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On the technical side I've seen other forum members put forth the idea that these flat and uninspiring soundtracks are meant to quell complaints from the TV speaker/soundbar crowd that complain about sound levels being to low then to high. And since they make up a much bigger chunk of the populace, we're getting mediocrity imposed on us for the sake of the masses. Whether or not that is the case, there has to be a reason for this.

Upfront I will say that Infinity War was a definite improvement in our setup. Generally we've ran the Disney UHD titles 5-6dB hot and this one sounded pretty good at +3dB. Not as good as A+ efforts from other studios, but certainly a step up. So I'm hoping Solo follows this trend and offers at least Infinity War levels of sound.

On the film itself, the wife and I both really enjoyed it. I haven't been shy with my criticisms of The Last Jedi, but Solo is a solid film. The plot feels like a place where the characters would come from. The performances are all solid. Howard's direction is very good. It doesn't really challenge you as an audience, but I don't really feel it had to. A good old fashion heist film and showing the character's mature and become hardened by the cruelty in the galaxy is a good way to approach it. For those that skipped it in the theater because of disenchantment with the last offering, I'd say there is a fairly good chance you'll enjoy this one.

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so...are you just trying to brag that you spent $30k on a AV processor? That relates to the movie or the review how? It's funny though...people with that type of equipment aren't bragging about it...just saying.

If you don't want the movie stick to reasons for that. Everything in your post is nonsense.
Quit hating. All the man is saying is that he spent a great deal of money for his processor and the sound of the movie simply may not warrant the purchase of the movie. If a person can afford to spend that kind of money on a processor, good for them. They should be proud as well as have a certain expectation on sonic performance.
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It really does feel like Disney went all bland and gray and murky and carefully dull and unoffensive for this movie -- both in content and in a/v presentation -- after the brouhaha of the Last Jedi. It didn't pay off financially for them, so I hope that influences future choices.

Personally, I prefer flawed daring than safe boring.

But at least I know how Han got his name!
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That's where I am just confused. Disney obviously has (had?) some serious audio talent over there, so did they fire all their best sound engineers or is there some sort of directive coming down from the top to do this? I seriously can't tell if it's intentional or not, because it just doesn't seem to make much business sense to cripple home releases since that would seemingly deter disc sales. At least to my non-MBA perspective that is. What I am I missing with this picture?

think about it. Disney's Netflix-like online service is coming out next year. It will have all Disney titles, including Star Wars, Marvel Universe and Fox titles.
if people buy more Disney titles on disc, what incentive do they have to subscribe to the online service?
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