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Sometimes ATMOS is not suitable for an older film, remixing sometimes is hoky...colorization, turning mono into 5.1 sound...the list begins. This film is close 40 years old, it may not need sonic dancing monkey tricks. What we should hope for is the best picture and sound quality we can get out of the film. ATMOS is not a value added option, it's a tool that should be used with restraint.
Totally disagree, Atmos can be used for any type of design/mix and on this film based on the story and location and how it was shot, it could have a totally awesome
new mix that would enhance the viewing experience, especially since most of us seen this so many times, and in this case it's probably the best value they could add since nothing new really offered in this regard. Yes I remember when Fox released the LD with the old Dolby Surround sound and than later in true remixed 5.1, it was night and day difference. The original theatrical mix was a 6ch Dolby, though it wasn't mixed like the current 5.1 mix is. Of course I wouldn't want anything that Scott doesn't approve though.
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Problem arises as Aliens may have to signed off on by James Cameron if/when a 4k transfer is done, he's a bit behind in his movie transfer approvals.
Yeah especially of True Lies, it never made it to BD at least in N.A. or The Abyss ?
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Yeah especially of True Lies, it never made it to BD at least in N.A. or The Abyss ?
A 4k transfer has been done on 'The Abyss' and that's the last bit on info we have. So far 'True Lies' and 'The Abyss' have not had any blu ray release.

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The original theatrical mix was a 6ch Dolby, though it wasn't mixed like the current 5.1 mix is.

Source please? ALIEN was released in May 1979 and I've now read repeatedly that APOCALYPSE NOW (November 1979) was the first 70 mm film in Dolby Stereo and with stereo surround.


It follows that ALIEN only featured a mono surround, hence the maximum original channels were 4 only (L, C, R and mono surround).

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This is going to sound weird but I would like to hear the old mono track with atmos applied only to the tops. I think that would sound awesome. A little weird but awesome. Imagine sitting and listening to a mono mix and BAM! Alien dropping from a ceiling vent.
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Source please? ALIEN was released in May 1979 and I've now read repeatedly that APOCALYPSE NOW (November 1979) was the first 70 mm film in Dolby Stereo and with stereo surround.


It follows that ALIEN only featured a mono surround, hence the maximum original channels were 4 only (L, C, R and mono surround).
Ridley's own commentary track, on previous releases, though I think he calls it "6 track Dolby"

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Source please? ALIEN was released in May 1979 and I've now read repeatedly that APOCALYPSE NOW (November 1979) was the first 70 mm film in Dolby Stereo and with stereo surround.


It follows that ALIEN only featured a mono surround, hence the maximum original channels were 4 only (L, C, R and mono surround).
That's what I've always heard, 'Alien' used the same process as the first 'Star Wars', the surround was mono.

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Ridley's own commentary track, on previous releases, though I think he calls it "6 track Dolby"
He was thinking of the 6 tracks on on a 70mm film. There was just one surround channel. This might help.
https://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/20...olby/index.htm
"In 70mm and 6-track Dolby Stereo"
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This is going to sound weird but I would like to hear the old mono track with atmos applied only to the tops. I think that would sound awesome. A little weird but awesome. Imagine sitting and listening to a mono mix and BAM! Alien dropping from a ceiling vent.
That's a solid use of the technology, object based lets you place and move objects within space. Slowly, but surely they are figuring out how to use it. So much it can do beyond sound bubbles.

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He was thinking of the 6 tracks on on a 70mm film. There was just one surround channel. This might help.
https://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/20...olby/index.htm
"In 70mm and 6-track Dolby Stereo"
I never said it was stereo, and he never said it either but he did use that tagline 6-track Dolby, what I did say is when it was re-mixed from those elements the outcome was vastly different, to me it was positive to others it might not be, and same can be expected if they did a brand new Atmos mix, some would like it, some don't. Such is life!

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That's a solid use of the technology, object based lets you place and move objects within space. Slowly, but surely they are figuring out how to use it. So much it can do beyond sound bubbles.
Agreed, many people forgets including the content creators that 'Immersive" is so much more than just ceiling or bubble...

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Sometimes ATMOS is not suitable for an older film, remixing sometimes is hoky...colorization, turning mono into 5.1 sound...the list begins. This film is close 40 years old, it may not need sonic dancing monkey tricks. What we should hope for is the best picture and sound quality we can get out of the film. ATMOS is not a value added option, it's a tool that should be used with restraint.

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As a matter of fact I used the original 2.0 track (of the Blu-ray) to test the Dolby Upmixer in my first Dolby Atmos AV receiver in 2015 and liked it better than the IMHO pimped 5.1 remastered track.


However, the original soundtrack isn't really something to write home about, its shortcomings become rather obvious during the first crew briefing scene and suggests that the source recordings themselves are in a rather bad state, i.e. I'm not aware whether there is technology that somehow could improve the original recordings.


The film was released in Dolby Stereo, so we did have the original Dolby Stereo Matrix with three separate front channels (L, C, R) and one mono-channel for both surrounds which is what Dolby Surround Pro Logic extracted from the 2.0 signal.


In this regard the upcoming UHD Blu-ray constitutes perhaps some improvement, i.e. it seems that the Center and Surround information is no longer encoded in the 2.0 track but for the first time both channels are available as discrete channels!


(4.1 = L, C, R, mono surround + isolated LFE channel)


I guess that's all the improvement we can possibly expect - and the upmixer in your AV receiver now probably has 4 discrete channels you can upmix.

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Totally disagree, Atmos can be used for any type of design/mix and on this film based on the story and location and how it was shot, it could have a totally awesome
new mix that would enhance the viewing experience, especially since most of us seen this so many times, and in this case it's probably the best value they could add since nothing new really offered in this regard. Yes I remember when Fox released the LD with the old Dolby Surround sound and than later in true remixed 5.1, it was night and day difference. The original theatrical mix was a 6ch Dolby, though it wasn't mixed like the current 5.1 mix is. Of course I wouldn't want anything that Scott doesn't approve though.
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Source please? ALIEN was released in May 1979 and I've now read repeatedly that APOCALYPSE NOW (November 1979) was the first 70 mm film in Dolby Stereo and with stereo surround.


It follows that ALIEN only featured a mono surround, hence the maximum original channels were 4 only (L, C, R and mono surround).
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This is going to sound weird but I would like to hear the old mono track with atmos applied only to the tops. I think that would sound awesome. A little weird but awesome. Imagine sitting and listening to a mono mix and BAM! Alien dropping from a ceiling vent.
Just to put this out there, unless if I'm mistaken, multi-track technology at the time allowed for up to 48 channels. I'm not sure what was available to the studio who produced Alien, but it probably was done on at least 16 track analog which was bounced to the stereo or 4 channel versions to which you are referring. The source audio could definitely be remixed to Atmos to great effect, I too concur that this is a major bummer.
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Alien is a great classic horror movie. Ground Breaking to say the least. Never forget seeing it at the premier back when it open. I never to this day heard a crowd reaction like that when the Alien pop out of his gut at the dinner table' It took I bet 5 min for the crowd to calm down ' Just wished they have shot the movie in Cinema Scope 2.35 instead of the 1.78. And Aliens is without doubt the best sequel ever.
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Just preordered from Best Buy for $18. After Overlord and Creed 2 it's nice to see a 4K movie not selling for around $30 at launch.
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Just preordered from Best Buy for $18. After Overlord and Creed 2 it's nice to see a 4K movie not selling for around $30 at launch.
Fox is pretty reasonable about catalog titles.

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I want to see everything!

My main concern is the aspect ratio.
Hope this 4K UHD release presents the entire and full framed image.
The Blu-ray release has an outstanding image but is slightly cropped.
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My main concern is the aspect ratio.
Hope this 4K UHD release presents the entire and full framed image.
The Blu-ray release has an outstanding image but is slightly cropped.
The original aspect ratio was 2:35 (some sources claim 2:39) not a big deal in a theater, but on video "the dreaded black bars" which people hate. Hopefully the new release will recognize the market for potential owners are ok with the real aspect ratio. I think the last time the blu-ray was redone was 2010. Keep your fingers crossed.

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did revisit on alien from Anthology box - stunning viewing on JVC N7 upconverted to 4k -
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Alien UHD Blu-ray will be a HDR10+ release, not Dolby Vision...

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The thing is, 20th Century Fox has confirmed to me that, as with some of its other recent releases, Alien will appear on 4K Blu-ray with an HDR10+ master alongside the basic HDR10 format that you get on all 4K Blu-ray discs.
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I just pre ordered it from Amazon. At first I was on the fence about it because of no ATMOS. But the last time I watched this was on laserdisc with Dolby Pro-Logic so I figured the sound on the 4k will still be an upgrade. Plus I couldn't believe the $14.99 price
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My $4.99 iTunes copy has been upgraded to 4K.


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