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ok thanks for letting me know. but in general do you think if I rip my 4k blue ray movies to .mkv and store then on a PC and watch them using plex could contain a bit of harshness in some areas as a result of ripping process?
No, with digital ripping there is no generational loss or any degradation there can be only errors which manifest itself rather crudely, like pops.

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I rented the blu ray because it is an Ang Lee movie and I liked it enough to buy the 4K UHD. Ang Lee experiments with movie making technology and I think the 4K UHD version is significantly better than the blu ray version and is well worth the $20 I payed. I sent the movie on to to the Yamaha AVR and got Dolby Vision. I like the sharp focus now possible with digital recording rather than using film. I thought the fast paced motor cycle scenes were particularly immersive. Also the rapid movement of the actors in action scenes enhanced the science fiction intent. The shallow depth of field which blurred the background produced a 3D effect that I liked.

I do agree that it is not the most convincing science fiction movie and the story line seemed predictable. The movie is not up to the standards of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon or the Life of Pi.

But my opinion was that that Gemini Man in 4K UHD deserved better reviews than it got.

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I rented the blu ray because it is an Ang Lee movie and I liked it enough to buy the 4K UHD. Ang Lee experiments with movie making technology and I think the 4K UHD version is significantly better than the blu ray version and is well worth the $20 I payed. I sent the movie on to to the Yamaha AVR and got Dolby Vision. I like the sharp focus now possible with digital recording rather than using film. I thought the fast paced motor cycle scenes were particularly immersive. Also the rapid movement of the actors in action scenes enhanced the science fiction intent. The shallow depth of field which blurred the background produced a 3D effect that I liked.

I do agree that it is not the most convincing science fiction movie and the story line seemed predictable. The movie is not up to the standards of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon or the Life of Pi.

But my opinion was that that Gemini Man in 4K UHD deserved better reviews than it got.
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Postmoderndesigns, what center channel speaker do you have?
The center channel speaker is a mid level Klipsch center channel speaker. It is located on a shelf over the oled. I have had it for years. I doubt it was called "reference" but I have always been able to understand dialogue.

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The center channel speaker is a mid level Klipsch center channel speaker. It is located on a shelf over the oled. I have had it for years. I doubt it was called "reference" but I have always been able to understand dialogue.
I have the 405, the one with the 4 drivers and horn. can you do me a huge favour, I've been trying to get the Gemini Man disc from the library but they are closed for the pandemic. I have the .mkv version of the movie and when CGI Will shoots real Will with the bee venom, he collapses and the Asian guy tell him to breath. Can you go to that scene, put it sort of loud like -20db or louder and listen to that part, specifically when he says "come on!" Listen careful to that word and let me know if you hear a very slight staticy or distortion like sound. I hear it and I'm trying to figure out the movie is just like that or if Klipsch highs are hard rather than soft allowing me to hear this sound. listen very carefully cause if you're not expecting it, you won't notice it. I hear this sound in other movies and its always when someone is talking.

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I have the 405, the one with the 4 drivers and horn. can you do me a huge favour, I've been trying to get the Gemini Man disc from the library but they are closed for the pandemic. I have the .mkv version of the movie and when CGI Will shoots real Will with the bee venom, he collapses and the Asian guy tell him to breath. Can you go to that scene, put it sort of loud like -20db or louder and listen to that part, specifically when he says "come on!" Listen careful to that word and let me know if you hear a very slight staticy or distortion like sound. I hear it and I'm trying to figure out the movie is just like that or if Klipsch highs are hard rather than soft allowing me to hear this sound. listen very carefully cause if you're not expecting it, you won't notice it. I hear this sound in other movies and its always when someone is talking.
I did not hear the staticy distorted sound somewhere between 1:20-1:24 minutes into the film at the end of chapter 13 or 19. But, I would need you in the room affirming I was in the right place in the scene.

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I did not hear the staticy distorted sound somewhere between 1:20-1:24 minutes into the film at the end of chapter 13 or 19. But, I would need you in the room affirming I was in the right place in the scene.
What's your address? as soon as I can get a hold of a disc, i'll play it and see if I can hear it on the disc. thanks for checking.

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What's your address? as soon as I can get a hold of a disc, i'll play it and see if I can hear it on the disc. thanks for checking.
I have added you as a friend so you should be able to private message me. I have not used this feature for a long time so give it a try and we will see if it works.

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Finally got the chance to watch the entire thing not just a few scenes. For a two hour movie there are not enough action scenes that show off what high frame rate can do, especially in the first and second act.

It's obvious this movie was written in the 90's.

The CGI'd Will Smith is not bad.

I still want a HFR TV show with lots of action that is the primary advantage of HFR video. The less dialog the better. Explosions, fast moving objects, etc. Maybe a HFR version of Generation Kill, Fast & Furious, sci fi with space ships, etc.
Or martial arts. The "boxing" scene in the catacombs looks very nice IMO. Interpolation can't match real frames.

Most TVs can do 60Hz so it should not be an issue.
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Finally got the chance to watch the entire thing not just a few scenes. For a two hour movie there are not enough action scenes that show off what high frame rate can do, especially in the first and second act.

It's obvious this movie was written in the 90's.

The CGI'd Will Smith is not bad.

I still want a HFR TV show with lots of action that is the primary advantage of HFR video. The less dialog the better. Explosions, fast moving objects, etc. Maybe a HFR version of Generation Kill, Fast & Furious, sci fi with space ships, etc.
Or martial arts. The "boxing" scene in the catacombs looks very nice IMO. Interpolation can't match real frames.

Most TVs can do 60Hz so it should not be an issue.
I’m 100% with you on the action scenes! Give me an action film with hardly any dialog and nonstop action! That may allow me to not be distracted by the HFR.

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Personally, I felt the slower scenes looked bad in HFR and the action scenes looked even worse

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I’m 100% with you on the action scenes! Give me an action film with hardly any dialog and nonstop action! That may allow me to not be distracted by the HFR.
Don't know if you saw it, but Midway was very action packed, with little talk, unlike Pearl Harbor (2001) which was not a bad movie, but still.

Airplanes, explosions, and bullets would look great in HFR. The minigun scene was awesome.


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Don't know if you saw it, but Midway was very action packed, with little talk, unlike Pearl Harbor (2001) which was not a bad movie, but still.

Airplanes, explosions, and bullets would look great in HFR. The minigun scene was awesome.


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Finally watched this one last week via 4K HDR Amazon stream with rental credits accrued.

I enjoyed it as a scifi-action flick. The action was well choreographed with an Asian martial arts style I liked. Yes, there could have been better pacing.

Recognize that both Ang Lee and Will Smith are controversial love 'em/hate 'em film personalities- whether due to personal business issues and/or artistic styles.

I see what Ang tried to do re: put the clone issue in the Real World, and I felt the emotional and physical issues were handled realistically- how would you fare against your ~30 year younger self in a battle of wits, physical ability? I took it as a cool geek thought experiment. Younger version more agile/flexible, but older version heavier/weight advantage in close fighting, experience, wisdom, less reactive.

Whatever your opinion of Smith, he does emote well with down to earth reactions, and is in great physical shape. Didn't think I'd try another film of his following After Earth, but gave this one a try.
The de-aged version looked spot on and real most of the time for me, only a few moments where the uncanny valley reared its head.
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Don't know if they de-aged him directly or put his de-aged face on another stand in actor, but generally done well.

Image looked great on my NX7. I'd pick up the 4K disc on sale/bargain bin at my sight-unseen price of ~$5/disc (or ~$10 for a standard 2 disc 2K/4K set), of course even better for less.
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I’ve got the UHD of Midway, but haven’t watched it yet. I need to since I heard it has great bass and I just added a second PSA sub - a TV3612 to go with my V3600I.

My wife and I watched Pearl Harbor Memorial Day weekend. It’s truly a good movie, but I wish that had focused more on the historical facts and less on the love triangle. It made me wonder what ever happened to Josh Hartnett. I really liked him in The Faculty, but don’t really remember many good ones besides that and Pearl Harbor.
Still going strong. Currently has four projects completed and/or in post-production. His contributions to Black Hawk Down (2001) and Sin City(2005) do it for me.

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Yeah, he was great in both of those, but completely underutilized in Sin City. One of the best opening scenes in the history of cinema and then no more of his character.
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Yeah, he was great in both of those, but completely underutilized in Sin City. One of the best opening scenes in the history of cinema and then no more of his character.
He was great in Penny Dreadful as well as Mel Gibson's Payback.
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