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But more to the subject of most of the posts in this thread: Why would a studio go to the trouble or re-doing a movie and improve the video resolution, improve the color gamut and add 3D audio only to cripple one of the better sound tracks out there? I just don't understand.
I honestly don't think they feel they're crippling the soundtracks these days... I just feel like either they don't have the equipment capable to attain, or appreciate, ultra frequency levels and/or they just don't feel it detracts from the sound mix.

I believe our very own FilmMixer said that there's no industry standard when it comes to mixing these audio tracks as there are just different sound designer preferences, like artists and their interpretations of mixes... and then the studios just sign off on it (I'm paraphrasing, obviously).

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After someone gets this movie and creates some PEQs to fix the bass (BEQ), this might be a reason to try BEQ. I will probably not cancel my pre-order to be able to just compare the two mixes. And if push comes to shove, do what someone else recommended and mix the video from this disc with the DTS audio from my Blu Ray and use my DTS:X Pro up-mixer to get the best of both worlds.
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Not as far as I'm concerned. I didn't spend the money I did on subs to just reproduce the sound track. I want enough headroom so that I can play as loud as necessary and never have to worry about compression and I want to be able to compress the air in our theater so that I can hear and feel the bass.

But more to the subject of most of the posts in this thread: Why would a studio go to the trouble or re-doing a movie and improve the video resolution, improve the color gamut and add 3D audio only to cripple one of the better sound tracks out there? I just don't understand.

I can only imagine how they might completely screw up the up-coming 4K re-release of Top Gun!!
I have very read several favorable reviews of the Atmos mix for TOP GUN 4K. I am looking forward to a review from @Ralph Potts

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Why would a studio go to the trouble or re-doing a movie and improve the video resolution, improve the color gamut and add 3D audio only to cripple one of the better sound tracks out there? I just don't understand.
I've been asking that question for a few years. Some think immersive audio mixes are getting better but I've become a skeptic, no need to rehash the details. We all know which studios have not been doing great mixes.

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After someone gets this movie and creates some PEQs to fix the bass (BEQ), this might be a reason to try BEQ.
Agreed! I've not jumped onto the BEQ bandwagon yet but I'm willing to try it if it saves this title. I also still have it on pre-order and like the film a lot being a huge scifi fan so not cancelling. I'll learn the ropes of BEQ if that's what it takes to fix what should otherwise be a great immersive mix.

Gimped Atmos mixes remind me of how studios removed film grain with so much digital NR. I still have the 1st BD release of Patton...George C Scott's face looked like plastic To do that to a classic like Patton is a cardinal sin. Sony seems to have more of their act together on Atmos & 4K so I have my fingers crossed on Lawrence of Arabia in their upcoming box set.

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I have very read several favorable reviews of the Atmos mix for TOP GUN 4K. I am looking forward to a review from @Ralph Potts

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I have very read several favorable reviews of the Atmos mix for TOP GUN 4K. I am looking forward to a review from @Ralph Potts

I just read the Top Gun 4K review on BluRay.com and he loved it. So I'm hopeful.
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Thanks for the review Ralph. I will NOT be updating to this version having the low end chopped off like that. Thanks for the warning. Ill hold on to my BD.

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It looks like this Dolby Vision release will initially retail at around £20.00 here in the UK, so I'll wait a few months before taking a punt...

Sufficed to say... If I get around to backing-up the movie I'll probably add the 5.1 DTS-HD MA audio stream from the 2K Blu-ray to the 4K UHD movie

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I streamed this movie twice in 4k this week once through apple tv and the other through roku 4k.. I watched this movie a thousand times when i was a kid used to love the horn sound the pods used to make.. I can tell you for sure on the stream it did not sound as good as when i was a kid.. I think either the base on the horns was lower or they just lower the overall sound to the pods.. The movie was awesome i hadn't seen it in 10 or more years and it felt amazing.

Going to order the blu ray version so i can get the pods horn sound again..
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I streamed this movie twice in 4k this week once through apple tv and the other through roku 4k.. I watched this movie a thousand times when i was a kid used to love the horn sound the pods used to make.. I can tell you for sure on the stream it did not sound as good as when i was a kid.. I think either the base on the horns was lower or they just lower the overall sound to the pods.. The movie was awesome i hadn't seen it in 10 or more years and it felt amazing.



Going to order the blu ray version so i can get the pods horn sound again..
Streaming audio is always less dynamic and way less punchy LFE. I am not saying the 4k version will match the Bluray but I would not judge it based upon streaming. Video is much closer between 4k disc and streaming but the audio is still worlds apart IMHO.

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Hey Ralph,

Thanks for the "par for the course" excellent review! I was a bit disappointed when it came to your analysis of the audio mix (especially the "pod emergence scene") but after reading what other reviewers (such as DoBlu.com and HiDefDigest have said about the Dolby Atmos mix, I'm all in. Fact is I probably would have bought it in spite of the "taming down of the LFE" because of the amazing PQ. I have watched my 1080p Blur-ray at least 3-4 times and I've always been discouraged by the PQ, most notably the less-than-stellar black levels which resulted in a lack of details and depth in very dark scenes, but from what I've heard the Blacks/Shadow details are spectacular! So, I just ordered a copy from Amazon and I was thrilled that the "price was right" too.

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Thanks for the "par for the course" excellent review! I was a bit disappointed when it came to your analysis of the audio mix (especially the "pod emergence scene") but after reading what other reviewers (such as DoBlu.com and HiDefDigest have said about the Dolby Atmos mix, I'm all in. Fact is I probably would have bought it in spite of the "taming down of the LFE" because of the amazing PQ. I have watched my 1080p Blur-ray at least 3-4 times and I've always been discouraged by the PQ, most notably the less-than-stellar black levels which resulted in a lack of details and depth in very dark scenes, but from what I've heard the Blacks/Shadow details are spectacular! So, I just ordered a copy from Amazon and I was thrilled that the "price was right" too.

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Hey Denny, yes, as I stated in the review the Atmos mix is killer, as is the video quality. As a whole the audio presentation isn't "bad", it's just that if you compare it to the original track, the difference in low frequency detail/depth is quite obvious. Those that aren't familiar with or don't have systems capable of rendering the infrasonic bass on the 5.1 track probably won't even notice it.

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Hey Denny, yes, as I stated in the review the Atmos mix is killer, as is the video quality. As a whole the audio presentation isn't "bad", it's just that if you compare it to the original track, the difference in low frequency detail/depth is quite obvious. Those that aren't familiar with or don't have systems capable of rendering the infrasonic bass on the 5.1 track probably won't even notice it.

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I just went back and read your comments on the Dolby mix and yes, you did "sing its praises" except for the bass/LFEl My bad!!

Again, I have LOVED the movie ever since its release but was let down by the PQ in areas, most notably the black levels and then some scenes where the "heavy grain" looked like "noise." The audio mix had always drawn me in and I've used the "pod emergence scene" to show off the depth of my subs and it's never failed to disappoint. That will be a bummer now but I can't wait to see the "night and day" difference in PQ!
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The only problem with this movie was the girl screaming it drove me nuts.

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The only problem with this movie was the girl screaming it drove me nuts.
Think of what it was like for Tom Cruise...yet he retained his "sanity"....or did he? He's seems SANE in his movies, but offstage...not so much!!

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You weren't kidding about the LFE!


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Am I correct in reading the above chart that we'd ideally want higher signals below 30Hz for optimal bass? And what's the difference between the top vs. bottom graph? I've read @PioManiac 's explanation here, but some of it's still over my head--looking for a simpler read .

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Just as I suspected...a 30Hz filter. SMH.

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I respect the fact that people needed confirmation of the neutered LFE with a graph since this is the AV Science Forum, but I honestly didn't need it, as the way Ralph put his experience into words, I knew he was being very honest and accurate.
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I respect the fact that people needed confirmation of the neutered LFE with a graph since this is the AV Science Forum, but I honestly didn't need it, as the way Ralph put his experience into words, I knew he was being very honest and accurate.
Ralph and I spoke on the phone specifically about this and we both said the same thing--some type of roll-off at 30Hz or so. Like you said, we didn't need the measurements to come up with the assessment--our ears (and lack of foundation shaking frequency response) told us all we needed to know. I'm glad someone confirmed it scientifically though

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does anyone have access to the dolby mastering suite? with that we could swap lfe tracks.

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I respect the fact that people needed confirmation of the neutered LFE with a graph since this is the AV Science Forum, but I honestly didn't need it, as the way Ralph put his experience into words, I knew he was being very honest and accurate.

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Ralph and I spoke on the phone specifically about this and we both said the same thing--some type of roll-off at 30Hz or so. Like you said, we didn't need the measurements to come up with the assessment--our ears (and lack of foundation shaking frequency response) told us all we needed to know. I'm glad someone confirmed it scientifically though
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Agreed Dave. There was no question as soon as I went into viewing that something was amiss. Our discussion confirmed that it wasn't isolated. The confirmation provided by the measurements puts it into perspective.


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Agreed Dave. There was no question as soon as I went into viewing that something was amiss. Our discussion confirmed that it wasn't isolated. The confirmation provided by the measurements puts it into perspective.


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My heart sank as soon as I saw: The Good. I immediately knew what The Bad would be.

I have to say, being a WOTW fan since I was a kid watching the original on TBS, I was not enamored of this remake. The bratty kids ruined it for me..

That said, like everyone else, I loved those demo scenes! What a shame..
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I for one appreciate the graph not just because I favor objectivity but it also stops any speculations or accusations of regarding equipment set ups and ears.
Frankly I can't stand this movie so I wasn't gonna get it anyway [have it on BD]but with the neutered bass it just made that much more sure that I won't bother with it. As always thanks for the review though Ralph.
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