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Am I correct in reading the above chart that we'd ideally want higher signals below 30Hz for optimal bass?
Yes, since the human auditory system has reduced sensitivity in the first 3 octaves. So if there is a content there it should be at higher amplitude to truly make an acoustic [audible/tactile] relevance.
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And what's the difference between the top vs. bottom graph? I've read @PioManiac 's explanation here, but some of it's still over my head--looking for a simpler read .
They are the same except the bottom one seems to be a more "smoothed"[averaged] version vs Raw measurements. The smoothed is better to illustrate the difference between the two tracks,since the large peaks and valleys are averaged so the filtering that occurred can be 'highlighted" more easily for the purpose of the graph.
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At least we know our "old fart" ears are still working properly (at least for a few more years )
I doesn't take old ears to hear low frequency. You feel it. But, high frequency is a different story.
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I doesn't take old ears to hear low frequency. You feel it. But, high frequency is a different story.
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I streamed the 4k twice last week and yesterday i watched the blu ray... The base on the blu ray was stupid scary that's all i have to say.. wow
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WOTW UHD + DTS-HD Remux

Thanks for the great review @Ralph Potts !!

today I remuxed the UHD video with the original ATMOS track, Bluray DTS-HD and @SuperFist DTS-HD track with the DVD LFE track.

Wow, you guys weren't kidding!! The ATMOS track only has a fraction of the impact vs. the DTS-HD tracks. It's unfortunate they chopped off so much of the LFE.





The UHD does look much better than the BD so there is a positive
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Thanks for the great review @Ralph Potts !!

today I remuxed the UHD video with the original ATMOS track, Bluray DTS-HD and @SuperFist DTS-HD track with the DVD LFE track.

Wow, you guys weren't kidding!! The ATMOS track only has a fraction of the impact vs. the DTS-HD tracks. It's unfortunate they chopped off so much of the LFE.





The UHD does look much better than the BD so there is a positive
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If I recall correctly, the DVD version of this movie had a hotter low frequency than even the blu-ray. I distinctly recall liking the bass on the DVD over the blu-ray. So much so that I remember the DVD causing a driver in my rear speakers to blow. Maybe my amp clipped, I don't know, but the Pod scene is what caused the speaker to blow. This DVD is stored so I will look for it to compare the two.
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If I recall correctly, the DVD version of this movie had a hotter low frequency than even the blu-ray. I distinctly recall liking the bass on the DVD over the blu-ray. So much so that I remember the DVD causing a driver in my rear speakers to blow. Maybe my amp clipped, I don't know, but the Pod scene is what caused the speaker to blow. This DVD is stored so I will look for it to compare the two.

Nah, the DVD is a bit hotter (and clips more) than the Blu-Ray, but the bass is basically the same


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Nah, the DVD is a bit hotter (and clips more) than the Blu-Ray, but the bass is basically the same


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Nice work. I guess you are concurring with me.
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Thanks for the great review @Ralph Potts today I remuxed the UHD video with the original ATMOS track, [b]Bluray DTS-HD and @SuperFist DTS-HD track with the DVD LFE track.
Out of interest.... How was the DVD's LFE track added to the DTS-HD track?

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The "credits are rolling" so I'll chime in right away to give my brief impressions. PQ-wise, I was IMPRESSED! Was it perfect? No, for it still had some SOFTNESS at times and with the heavy grain scenes it was really GRITTY. Of course, the color palette was quite DRAB except for occasional splashes of vibrant colors (that looked great next to a bleak background of grays/blacks)...and of course we were treated to constant primaries whenever the cameraman focused on Rachel with her eclectic show of colors. I was especially dazzled by the fantastic BLACKS and SHADOW DETAILS! I recall wanting to Fastforward the very lengthy scene in Harlan's basement (whenever I watched the 2010 Blu-ray) due to its less-than-stellar black levels with details mostly crushed but with this UHD/HDR release I was mesmerized by every shot.

AQ-wise, it was an excellent Dolby Atmos mix with great precision in every channel (all 9 of them!) during the many action scenes. I never felt the need to turn it to Reference (I kept it between -7.5 and -5) but I did dial it to 0 for the "Pod Emergence Scene," only to be disappointed when my walls and floor failed to register at 9.5 on my "Sub Richter Scale!" Having said that, I was actually surprised at how much bass there was in several scenes; I remember thinking, "Man, this has got to be lower than 30 Hz!"

Thanks again Ralph for succeeding in "whetting my appetite" for this disc.
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Im shocked how fast i got my copy of this from Best buy considering i ordered it on the 19th. Lets see what all the fuss is about the lowered BASS lol

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The "credits are rolling" so I'll chime in right away to give my brief impressions. PQ-wise, I was IMPRESSED! Was it perfect? No, for it still had some SOFTNESS at times and with the heavy grain scenes it was really GRITTY. Of course, the color palette was quite DRAB except for occasional splashes of vibrant colors (that looked great next to a bleak background of grays/blacks)...and of course we were treated to constant primaries whenever the cameraman focused on Rachel with her eclectic show of colors. I was especially dazzled by the fantastic BLACKS and SHADOW DETAILS! I recall wanting to Fastforward the very lengthy scene in Harlan's basement (whenever I watched the 2005 Blu-ray) due to its less-than-stellar black levels with details mostly crushed but with this UHD/HDR release I was mesmerized by every shot.

AQ-wise, it was an excellent Dolby Atmos mix with great precision in every channel (all 9 of them!) during the many action scenes. I never felt the need to turn it to Reference (I kept it between -7.5 and -5) but I did dial it to 0 for the "Pod Emergence Scene," only to be disappointed when my walls and floor failed to register at 9.5 on my "Sub Richter Scale!" Having said that, I was actually surprised at how much bass there was in several scenes; I remember thinking, "Man, this has got to be lower than 30 Hz!"

Thanks again Ralph for succeeding in "whetting my appetite" for this disc.
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Nice work. I guess you are concurring with me.

mm not quite. The bass isn't better on the DVD, the whole track is just louder
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As always, the viewer can be as critical as he or she wants to be. I read the 4K review and decided to run the BR version from some years back. The BR version, although not in Dolby Atmos, was more than impressive in terms of bubble or immersive audio. That made me to reconsider my usual idea of upgrading from BR into 4K because of Atmos Atmos. In a well mixed BR, the audio, assuming that is lossless and is matrixed via Dolby Surround or its equivalent, may not be quite up to Dolby Atmos, but then I would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two, if blind folded and didn't know which was which. That in watching a movie, I am not thinking about what is going on with the height speakers. It is a holistic experience. in that I never look at the speakers. Now the bonus features on some 4K discs might swing me into buying the 4K version. The other consideration, although much less important, is that the 4K package also includes a BR that can also be in Dolby Atmos, especially when the difference between the 4K combination and the BR disc alone is $5 or less. Now if I don't have said BR, I would probably opt for the 4K version, Dolby Atmos or not.
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Out of interest.... How was the DVD's LFE track added to the DTS-HD track?
I did it in DTS-HD Master Audio Suite.

Granted, it is sort of cheating since the original DVD DTS track is 16 bit, but in order for it to work as a LFE track for the existing Blu-ray channels, it needed to be converted to 24 bit.
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I did it in DTS-HD Master Audio Suite.

Granted, it is sort of cheating since the original DVD DTS track is 16 bit, but in order for it to work as a LFE track for the existing Blu-ray channels, it needed to be converted to 24 bit.
Thanks... That makes sense now.

I've done switcheroos in the past with the centre channel by converting everything to pcm. And then to FLAC...

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Man, I thought the BR disc that came with the 4k would have the atmos track. Bummer I won’t be listening to the atmos version anytime soon unless I get a 4k player which I won’t till I get a 4k tv. I just can’t give up on my 3d movies or I would have a while ago. Sucks, other 4k disco I bought have atmos on the BR. Not this one. Oh well. One day ...

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Just for kicks, I rewatched the "pod emerge" scene in the "holy version" of this movie at reference level: the DTS 5.1 track on the DVD. So awesome.
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