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Like many, I've had to reevaluate the design of my theater due to a new addition to the family, Ella so this thread is named after her.

The top priority for the build is sound isolation and I have been working with Terry Montlick to achieve this goal. Terry will also be designing my acoustic treatments. He's very knowledgeable on this subject and has been instrumental with the design; I can't recommend him enough.

In addition to Terry, I'd like to also thank the countless number of intelligent people who contribute to this forum who have some way or another influenced this build. This room would be no where the same without you all.

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Here’s some shots of the room as it was before.
Front:
[note that EP600 sub, which is a big part of my sound isolation issue]
Rear:
Right side:
[note the messy wires, those will be a thing of the past in 2.0]
Annoying HVAC soffit:
Left side:

Some the equipment includes:
Optoma H79 projector
Stewart Firehawk 110” diag.
Outlaw 990 pre/pro
Outlaw 7700 amp
Axiom Epic 80-600 speakers (7.1 config)
PS3
Toshiba HD-XA

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As mentioned we are going for the maximum sound isolation design, (within reason).

The room is located in the basement. The left and rear walls are against the foundation, the front is adjacent to a unfinished storage room, and the right wall is to-be built.

The plan is to incorporate the following design aspects:

--Room w/in room design. No part of the room will touch the house except for the concrete floor.
--3 layers of drywall in the room, (walls and ceiling), with 2 tubes of Greenglue between each layer.
--2 layers of drywall on walls outside the room, excluding foundation walls
--HVAC will be tied to the existing house, but acoustic flexible ducts will be used to avoid sound transmission. I originally wanted to go to a mini-split system, but both performance and cost considerations deterred me.
--Equipment will be external to the room.
--Communicating doors will be installed.
--Stage filled with 2500 lbs. will be used
--False screen wall
--Two level riser

Here is a simple diagram of the room I used for design discussion purposes with my builder, it is not to scale, nor does it represent the exact shape of the room.



Here is a chicken scratch actual layout of the old room:

Note that the room is a bit of an odd shape, which is due to the odd shape of the foundation. Though this area is only about 25-30% of the basement area, it was really my best choice due to the fact that the stairs are located right in the middle.

The ceilings are 9’, but there are two large trunks running through the room (outflow and return) that feed both the basement and main floor of the house. Re-engineering these would have been cost prohibitive, so I am stuck dealing with them as part of the design.

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Here’s pics of the tear down of the HT 1.0 room:
Empty front:
Partial riser:
Tape showing where low voltage wires run to avoid any mistakes when the drywall is removed:


Bar:
Note, the fridge pocket there is where the gear will go.
Stuff piled up in adjacent room:



Gutted back:


Gutted front:

Note: that frame to the right is the old screen wall. It was taken down whole and will be moved back ~30” into the storage room so a false wall can be built.



Annoying HVAC:




Riser remnants



They were actually able to salvage quite a bit of it.

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Here’s a shot of the some 30 gallons of greenglue I’ll be using!!


I’d like to say thank you to John Hile at http://www.soundproofingcompany.com/ for his assistance wit my order and answering my many questions. These guys have top notch customer service and are very experienced; I would not hesitate to use them again.

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Some shots of the new double wall construction:
Front:
[you can see the storage room there]
Right-front side:

Rear w/new wall



Left side


Doorway



New ceiling joist



There is only a ¼” gap here due to the crappy duct sagging in the middle. We are going to drive long screws though the duct to push it up another 1-2”

Coffered ceiling in rear of room under riser




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Here’s the new acoustical flex duct installed. I’d like to thank BIGmouthinDC for letting me know about this stuff. It works amazingly well. I put my ear close to the return air inlet and could not hear any sound though the pipe from the furnace which was only 15’ away!!

Return air duct



This will be behind the false screen wall

T’d outflow duct






This helps to add more 90 degree turns to the design. It cuts down on airflow, but my main goal is to turn over the air in the room since it is always cool down there. I am considering adding additional oil filled electric registers to add heat in the winter time. The basement is always 10-15 degrees cooler than the rest of the house.

While we were at it, we add some extra returns to the other part of the basement and one to my wife’s office which has 3 outside facing walls and is always hot or cold depending on the season.



Sealed off old return that was in the room


By the way, these pics represent only 4 days of work for my contactor. They are really flying!!
I will post the electrical soon.

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Here’s the new acoustical flex duct installed. I’d like to thank BIGmouthinDC for letting me know about this stuff. It works amazingly well. I put my ear close to the return air inlet and could not hear any sound though the pipe from the furnace which was only 15’ away!!


Looking good.
I must have posted the link to the Flexmaster web page 20 times but You are the first I can recall that ever followed my tip. Where did you get the stuff?
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Looking good.
I must have posted the link to the Flexmaster web page 20 times but You are the first I can recall that ever followed my tip. Where did you get the stuff?

Thanks!
Actually, it was easy, I went to the website and did a search for local supplier. Luckily they have one here in town. I just sent my HVAC guy there; they did not have it in stock, but it only took 1 day to get it. He said it is like 3x the cost of conventional flexduct, but from what I have seen, (or not heard, really), it's worth it. Thanks again for the tip.

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Most of the electrical rough-in is complete and we are past the first electrical inspection, as well as HVAC. The Framing inspection is this coming Monday.

I am going to build a soffit above the stage after the drywall is installed and some can lights will be put in there.

Soffit wiring


We also ended up adding a sub-panel in the basement. It was not mandatory, but the old one was about maxed out and since we are planning to remodel the kitchen in a year or two, it made sense to do it now.

I forgot to have the electrician run a 220v line so I could put in a heat register. I’m also going to have him install a whole house surge protector.

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I am having all the work done to code and we had an issue this week with the electrical inspector. Basically, I did not want to install outlets every 12ft. as required by code in order to reduce the number of holes in the drywall. I am planning to put several outlets in the riser which will be built and wired after the walls are sheet-rocked.
The inspector would not sign off on the wiring without the outlets, so we put them in where the columns will be with some extra wire. Once the room is rocked and the columns are installed, we will put them in the columns. This way we only have to punch a small hole in the 3 layers of drywall for the romex. Though I may likely cover them up with wall treatments after the final inspection, so I don’t have to look at them.

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Per forum recommendations, I purchased a Grafik Eye 6 zone system, though I’ve currently only identified 5 light zones:
1. Behind screen cans
2. In front of screen cans+2 sconces
3. Three sconces near the seating area
4. Rope light
5. Step lights

Here is the box:


The electrician was concerned about getting all the wires in the box, so we ended up installing an external box outside the room in the storage area. The one advantage of this is if I ever want to use the 6th zone of the GE, I have easier access to it.
Extra light box:

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You should embed your photos so they show up in your thread would be alot easier to look through

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I may have gone overboard with conduit, but better safe than sorry as they say. I’ve run it for all the speaker wires as well as to where the projector will currently be mounted, in addition I am running conduit several feet back so I can eventually go to a 2.35 setup.

I have not yet figured out exactly how I want to terminate the 2” conduit at the projector. If anyone has a nice way to do this, please let me know.




Running the 2” video conduit was like trying wrestle a python:


This shows the front of the room. There is an outline of the stage my builder put together to see how it would look. We will have the soffit mirror this design. If this design it looks familiar, it should as I copied from AVS, (sorry I would credit the original designer, but I seem to have lost track of who it was).



This is the backside of the equipment cabinet where all the conduit begins. I’m going to have to clean up this snake nest before the drywallers come so they can move around back there.


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Ok, I'll try. I thought I was doing it "like everyone else".

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I was inspired by Strange_Brew’s Reedzone theater, and decided to cut the corners off my light tray too.

I really light the design of Strange_Brew’s theater and may also be copying his column design


(From Stange_Brew’s website)

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Ha! I think I figured it out. I never realized that the pics could show up in the thread as they always showed up this way on my browser.

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Yes much better

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Just a comparison:

Your before H79 mounting and wiring (plus extra fans)


Mine:
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Just a comparison:

Your before H79 mounting and wiring (plus extra fans)


Mine:

I like choice B better.
Do you have shot that shows it up close so I can figure out how you did it?

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I passed the framing inspection yesterday; however the guy wants to come back again to see it post-insulation for some reason.

Last night I created the hole to bring the conduit into the rack space. I'm going to connect them to the gray box you see in the pic.


I also put putty pads all around the outlet boxes:


I later found that you can get "quiet putty" from the QuietSolutions company for like half the cost of the ones I bought.

Today the insulation was installed. The room looks a lot more complete now. It's funny how acoustically dead it is right now.









Tomorrow is the insulation inspection, then the drywall begins on Thurs.
I'm going to test running a few wire through the conduit to make sure I don't have any problems since would suck to discover this after the drywall goes up

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Nice looking build. For your 6th zone of the Grafik Eye - - a future star ceiling?
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Thanks!
I had considered the star ceiling. I had shown a few pics of others' star ceilings to the wife and she was not thrilled by the idea. I imagine it's one of those things that looks even more cool in person than in a photo. I won't say it's off the table, maybe a future HT 2.1 upgrade.
I don't yet know what I want to do with all that tray space, yet to mention the rest of the color scheme. I have a interior designer coming over this AM to kick around ideas since I'm pretty inept in this area.

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Woo hoo! Insulation inspection passed; not that it was much of a feat. I think these inspectors must really like me, they want to do another one when the riser is put in. Here's the inspection list to date:

-Permit application
-Rough electrical -->failed, due to not having outlets 12 ft. apart since I did not want them in the first place
-Rough electrical -->passed
-HVAC -->passed
-Framing-->passed
-Insulation-->passed
-Riser framing-->pending
-2nd rough electrical, (post drywall to see the wiring in columns, riser, and stage soffit)-->pending
-Final, (unless they think of others...)-->pending

Sheet rock starts early tomorrow. I hope I'm ready since this is the last time I'll have access behind the walls!!

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My builder put together a mock-up of the column design from plywood so we could get a better idea of how they would look. Design credit mainly goes to STRANGE_BREW, (and maybe a bit to Axiom too). I will be putting in Axiom QS8's in them, so I think the design fits well.

Not sure of the specifics yet of how the inside of the column will designed, but I will want to include baffling of some sort. Thoughts on this are appreciated.

Any reason why plywood is not an acceptable building material for these?

We will also put them on the either side of door on the outside of the room to give the entrance some flair.

The final design will have the top half of the column more open to allow the woofers to fire correctly and to allow for better sound baffling.

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The drywall installation began today. They began with the most difficult, time consuming spots, so it does not look like that much was done. We are doing 2 layers of 5/8 drywall on the outside walls of the adjacent rooms, without green glue. There will be 3 layers of 5/8 DW in the room with the equivalent of 2 tubes of GG between each layer. Suffice today, this is a LOT of drywall:



The drywall supplier fortunately loaded it all into the basement, however we discovered after it was unloaded that that 60 of the sheets were ½ DW instead of 5/8!! The supplier had to unload it all back out and reload the right size. Suffice to say they were not thrilled, but it was their mistake.

This is the window they brought it through, (with the window and frame removed). I'm impressed they fit in 4x12 sheets through there.





Here's a shot of the backside of the screen wall in the storage room. We dry walled all the way up to the top of the ceiling joist.



My builder wants to work on the 4th and I don't have plans during the day, so I'll have more updates then.

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I must have posted the link to the Flexmaster web page 20 times but You are the first I can recall that ever followed my tip. Where did you get the stuff?

I followed.

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A bit more work was done over the holiday weekend. The room has it's 1st layer of drywall complete and really looks like a room now. We'll start with the Green glue and 2nd layer tomorrow after all the caulk is applied.






I did a small test today by blaring a small radio in the room just to see how things are so far, (no door, one layer of un-caulked DW). There is a definite improvement based on where we are now, (at least for high frequencies). I could barely hear the radio on the main floor of the house.

I spent a bit of time tonight messing with Sketchup to build a model of the room. I'll post some shots once I get things polished a bit more.

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We are just about done with drywall installation as of today. I knew 3 layers of 5/8 DW was a lot, but seeing it in place makes you realize just how much mass there is on the walls now. Tomorrow the finishing touches will be done and mud/tape begins.

The stack of DW has really gone down!


Some shots of the light tray and duct work.




Nice and flush now



I ran 2 sections of 2 flex conduit back to the equipment area. The second is placed further back in the room in case I change projectors and want to have it further back in the room for a 2.35:1 set up at some point. We put the 3rd layer of DW over the extra hole to improve aesthetics. I just have to make sure I don't lose my notes with the location of the conduit!




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