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post #151 of 419 Old 05-05-2009, 01:37 PM
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Not bad at all! Nice compromise with the riser being in front of the doorway. It should turn out nicely for you.

Sorry if you mentioned it already, but what color will the door be? or are you staying with the natural wood look?
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post #152 of 419 Old 05-05-2009, 09:47 PM - Thread Starter
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Thanks Todd. We haven't fully decided on the door and trim color yet. It will either be a dark stain or a color close to the ceiling. Just not sure yet.

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While waiting for a few more bits to finish the riser, I started laying out the pieces for the stage. It took me quite some time to figure out what I wanted to do. I still need to connect everything but I like the look so far. I've seen this stagefront in many builds but Sandman, NeoOiler and Sunset Knoll come to mind as I type. I plan to have an access for the sump on the left and a small section in the middle for subs that will be filled with sand. With the subfloor there is no need for sand in the entire stage. I'm hoping to use just a few bags.

Layout starting to take shape with a few scraps here and there...


Working out the kinks in the curve...one of those moments when I realized I didn't know what I was doing.


It all fits!


I plan to screw it together sometime this week.

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I got my stage framing done last night. Allowing for sump pump access, an isolated sub platform and that big fat pillar made the task more complicated that it should have been, but I like the way it turned out. This process has been documented a number of times before but I took lots of pictures to catalog experience - so I'll share them.

Starting to connect the pieces


Right side and sub platform connected (didn't get that middle support stud quite as straight as I thought)


Then, I realized I hadn't put down the roofing felt. Not a big deal, but I started moving things around to fit the felt in and pieces started getting scattered and mixed. I stepped back, looked down at the mess and said aloud, "KJ, what are you doin'?" It made me laugh so I snapped a pic.


Order is restored. Back on pace.


With the base connected, I turned my attention to the front.


To get the curve for my stage top I used ebr's method from the Farm House Cinema. I clamped my curve front to OSB and used the edge of my jig saw for the 1.5" overhang. Worked great.




I unscrewed the curve front to attach the step supports, added facing to the step, screwed it all together and there it was...a stage (the framing at least).






Not too bad.

The sub platform has clearance on all four sides. Should I choose to add sand, I'll only need a few DRY bags. Thanks for the warning JeffC.

I still haven't fully worked out how the sump pump. I'm loosely planning on a hinged access panel of 2 layers of plywood/OSB with GG. The backup system will sit on top. I'm not convinced that the sound won't be intrusive when the pump operates, but to the extent that I can muffle/minimize it, I want to do it. Any suggestions/thoughts here?

In my excitement to finish the framing I did not cut out the curve for my lower step. Any suggestions for how to do this now? I recall reading about tracing the curve on paper, then cutting the curve with the paper as a template. I might try this.

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Kjlewie, Nice work on the stage..

regarding cutting the curve for the step.. in leiu of a better plan, i would probably overlap the top enough that when you trip the lip +1 1/2 off the top that you could probably use the curved piece you trim off for the bottom step.. since it is such a large radii.. the additional 1 1/2 larger radii will probably not have that large an impact with some minimal trimming... then just cut and add the end pieces to fill in ... not for sure just a thought.

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Sorry disregard previous post.. i just noticed you already trimmed the top.. do you still have the scrap pieces you trimmed off.. they sould provide your pattern for the lower step.. rear radii.

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KNKKNK,

The scraps may still be in relatively good shape - I cut the center of the curve pretty close to the edge of the sheet and the scrap broke but it may still be in just a couple of pieces. Next time, I won't cut so close to the edge. I'll check it out tonight.

Thanks for the tip.

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kjlewie,
Good looking build so far. I don't know how I missed it up until this point.

One question. How are you planning to "correct" the height difference between the dricore and the threshold of the door? Are you planning on trimming the bottom of the door and moving the threshold to the top of the dricore?

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You could lay down some paper in the front, roughly cut to fit the step arc. Then make a scribe long enough to touch the front of the stage and reach the paper and transfer the stage arc to the paper. Once you have the back arc you are golden!

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Thanks Spoon,

I'm planning (Plan A) to use an offset threshold to account for the height difference. On the web I've seen offsets up to 1", so the 7/8" height of the dricore shouldn't be a problem. Alternatively, when I get to the carpet stage, I plan to have a discussion with the carpet folks about how they would go about it (Plan B). I'm thinking that they will be more familiar with accounting for height differences.

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Thanks Jeff,

How do you make a simple scribe? Can I just borrow my wife's compass/protractor set from high school? I used it to make drywall cutouts for my lights but those were circles from a fixed point.

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Thanks Jeff,

How do you make a simple scribe? Can I just borrow my wife's compass/protractor set from high school? I used it to make drywall cutouts for my lights but those were circles from a fixed point.

Yeah you can use that. Just keep the point part against the curve and make sure to hold the compass perpendicular to the part you are copying...Make sense? actually as long as you keep it the same(even if its angled) the whole way your fine, but its usually easier to keep it perp. because you can see by eye its straight out from the riser...

Or if you have big enough scraps from the upper section just put a couple screws in them to hold them, hang them past the front edge and scribe the 1.5" or whatever underneath the plywood. remove. cut the line. reinstall. have a beer and cross the stage off your list!

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I made some progress on my stage. I decided to address sump access, sub platform and drain access before dealing with the stagefront curves. I chose this direction, in part, because I hadn't quite figured out how I was going to cut the curves.

For the sump area, I started with caulk all around the base of the framing. Then I made a hinged top out of OSB and used a GG sandwich with DW on all sides. I used plumber's putty where the sump pipe exits the stage and around the hinges. I decided to use my leftover integrity gasket to fill any gaps and eliminate wood on wood vibrations.











After carpeting, I'll add a pullring to open the door.

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Then I went after the isolated sub platform. I'd planned to line the platform with leftover vapor barrier. My OCD woundn't let me carry the sand through the house in its manufacturer's packaging alone, so I put each bag in a hefty bag. I decided the hefty bag was as good of a lining as the vapor barrier and went with it. Four bags of sand later and the platform was complete.





I took some scraps to make blocking for my drain access door, added a little velcro (you don't need much), a handle and...







Now it was time for the curve. I tried the suggestions I received and ended using my top curve clamped to a sheet of OSB to get the rear curve of the step. Then, I went old school (some would say no school) and took a tape measure to mark the distance from the rear curve to the step front (accounting for the overhang). It was a bit tedious and very low tech, but it worked. I think I got a little seasick from all of the waves in my jig saw cuts, but the carpet will clean it up.





I'll finish the ends, filled with insulation, and screw it down later.

Quick question. I screw fell into the gap between my sub platform and the rest of the stage. I have about 3/8 to 1/2" of space and I want to get it out before carpet. How do I get it. Is there some sort of skinny, flexible magnet type tool?

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Quick question. I screw fell into the gap between my sub platform and the rest of the stage. I have about 3/8 to 1/2" of space and I want to get it out before carpet. How do I get it. Is there some sort of skinny, flexible magnet type tool?

Try your local auto parts store. Just about all of them will have a magnet that can be extended (sort of looks like a colapsable radio antena).

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I hate to throw this out there now, but after my flood last year when Hannah blew through, I think I'm going to put my stage on the concrete rather than the dricore. I can't imagine removing the sand-filled stage to remove the dricore underneath. It was work enough removing it from the open floor area.

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10X - thanks for the tip. I'll give it a shot.

Logan - yeah, I considered removal issues for any potential reason before adding the sand. I decided not use sand in the entire stage, just the sub platform. So, it is only four bags in a 2x2.5 area. Still, it will be a pain to remove. Although, if I'm removing that sand, it will be a small part of a much larger and painful process.

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I finished my stage - stuffed it with insulation and screwed the top down





I also retrieved that escaped screw - thanks 10X



Then, I returned to my riser as my step lights arrived.















My rear step light housing is missing a piece necessary to connect the bulb. The replacement shipped today, but won't arrive until next week. Plenty of other things to do until then, though.

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Looking good. I still wish I had found that slim step light when I was doing my riser. Oh well.
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Nice build. You have had a lot of chalenging things to deal with (sump pump, electrical panel, drain pipe). Nice job with everything so far.

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Looking good. I still wish I had found that slim step light when I was doing my riser. Oh well.

Thanks Jason. I really like the lights too. Used guam's link. The company did not have the best communication after I ordered, but the prices (w S&H) and selection were far better than anywhere else.

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Nice build. You have had a lot of chalenging things to deal with (sump pump, electrical panel, drain pipe). Nice job with everything so far.

Thanks gonzo. I'm getting closer to the finish line. Picked up a lot of useful tips from your well documented thread.

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I had some time this afternoon to work on my riser so I grabbed my hole saw and started my conduit runs. I have, what is now, a funny story about this. But, the progress pics first.

The hole saw aftermath


Conduit going in


The holes at the top of the pic lead to my equipment room


Time to secure everything


All done


Now the story...After cutting one of the holes, the wood plug got stuck in the saw. I decided to disconnect the saw from the power outlet before attempting to remove the wood plug. While reaching for the power cord, my shoe got stuck and I sort of stumbled sideways (from a sitting position), no big deal. But the case of the hammer drill was quite hot and nearly touched my inner thigh. As I jerked the drill away from my leg, my finger hit the power switch briefly and gave the drill a start. I was turning my head away from the power outlet and toward the drill at this time and hit myself in the chin with the saw rising from near my thigh, starting to spin. Quickly pulling the drill away from my face, but now well aware of the potential to burn my leg with the case, I tried to hold the drill in the middle (away from my face, but not near my leg). The saw caught a piece of my dangling shirt and began to twist it tightly, pulling the saw toward my chest. Luckily my finger was now off the switch and the drill was starting to slow. When it finally stopped spinning, my shirt was twisted so tightly, that it had started to rip as I was holding the saw away from my body.

Finally, I did what I should have done in the beginning. I put the drill down, stood up, and disconnected the drill from the power outlet. I realized all of that happened in about 3-4 seconds. Sweaty from my mini-struggle for survival, I wiped my brow then chin only to notice an dab of blood from my chin The last thing my wife said before I started cutting was, "be careful, don't hurt yourself." "No worries here dear, I have it all under control" was my response. My neighbor said, "The next time you need to drill holes, just let me do it for you, Scarface." Its just a scratch but that was funny. I am lucky and I am an idiot!!

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With that behind me, I started to stuff and close the riser.











This is as far as I got before I ran out of sheet goods. You may have noticed the four LV boxes on the face of the riser. My original plan was to order 1 four gang custom plate from Datapro. That was until I saw the price. Realizing no one would see the plates behind the front row of seats, I opted for 4 single gang plates, cables and S&H from Monoprice for 40% of the cost of the Datapro plate alone.

I plan to finish up next weekend.

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I'd be lying if I said I fully followed that tale of almost tragedy, but it made enough sense to remind me of the lyrics of a great old Irish ballad. It's long but funny:

Dear Boss, I write this note to you to tell you of me plight
And at the time of writing I am not a pretty sight
Me body is all black and blue, me face a deathly gray
And I hope you understand why Paddy's not at work today

While working on the fourteenth floor some bricks I had to clear
Now to throw them down from such a height it was not a good idea
The foreman wasn't very pleased, he bein' an awkward sod
He said I'd have to cart them down the ladders in me hod

Now clearing all these bricks by hand it was so very slow
So I hoisted up a barrel and secured the rope below
But in me haste to do the job I was too blind to see
That a barrel full of building bricks was heavier than me

So when I untied the rope the barrel fell like lead
And clinging tightly to the rope I started up instead
Well, I shot up like a rocket 'til to my dismay I found
That halfway up I met the bloody barrel coming down

Well, the barrel broke me shoulder as to the ground it sped
And when I reached the top I banged the pulley with me head
While I clung on tight all numb with shock from this almighty blow
And the barrel spilled out half the bricks fourteen floors below

Now, when these bricks had fallen from the barrel to the floor
I then outweighed the barrel and so started down once more
Still clinging tightly to the rope I sped towards the ground
And I landed on the broken bricks that were all scattered round

Well, I laid there groaning on the ground I thought I'd passed the worst
When the barrel hit the pulley wheel and then the bottom burst
Well, a shower of bricks rained down on me, I hadn't got a hope
As I lay there moaning on the ground, I let go the bloody rope

The barrel then being heavier it started down once more
And landed right across me as I lay upon the floor
Well it broke three ribs and my left arm and I can only say
That I hope you'll understand why Paddy's not at work today



So you see - it could have been worse!

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I may change 'Paddy' to 'kjlewie' and use that note for work tomorrow!

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I may change 'Paddy' to 'kjlewie' and use that note for work tomorrow!

That would be appropriate since one of the names that song is "The Sick Note." (It's also known as "The Bricklayer's Song.")

Whatever you call it, it usually gets quite a laugh from an audience hearing it for the first time!

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I checked a few more items off the to-do list this weekend. I finished the riser and all of the HV wiring and outlet trim (including the equipment room). I also picked up a solid core door for the HT entrance. We also had to room measured for carpet.

Riser's done. Is it weird that it bugs me that the top is two different colors?




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I didn't have a double gang outlet faceplate in brown, but I didn't want to run out to get one. So, I left a place holder that I hope will remind me later...


Currently, were "testing" four stain colors and 1 paint color on a piece of oak trim. Why so many colors? By now, it should be clear to the casual visitor to my thread that it takes me a bit of noodling to make some (okay, most) decisions. Picking colors for the room is at the top of that list. My in laws were in town for the weekend and my wife's grandmother passed by as we were holding a sample of carpet to the different colors of trim. In like 2 seconds she pointed at one of the stain colors and said, "That's the one". I said, "maybe, but you have to think about the color of the walls and chairs and blah, blah..." She responded, "That's the one." But, I still don't know which one I like best.

Next up will be staining/painting/installing trim and doors, carpet and final inspection. Despite not starting actual construction until October '08, I pulled the building permit in July '08. So, the permit's 1 year expiration is quickly approaching. I probably could have waited a bit to pull the permit, but I think I'll squeeze in under the deadline.

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Next up will be staining/painting/installing trim and doors, carpet and final inspection. Despite not starting actual construction until October '08, I pulled the building permit in July '08. So, the permit's 1 year expiration is quickly approaching. I probably could have waited a bit to pull the permit, but I think I'll squeeze in under the deadline.

KJ everything is looking great.. the time you take in your color /paint/stain selection process will reward you many times over in the final product.

Regarding your final, I know their are large differences in requirements for varying municipalities.. but have your asked if yours require the "Cosmestic" items such as stain, paint, carpet.. etc.. to be completed before you can receive your final? It may be different here, but as long as the elec, plumb fixtures, smoke det., and some odd things like shower curtain rods, etc.. are installed they dont care what it looks like cosmetically. If this is true for you, you might be able to avoid the "Crunch Feeling" regarding paint, trim, stain.


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Thanks Brad. Good advice to slow down here. Easy to do since my wife is quite involved as she has a much better sense of these things than I do.

You're right that our inspector doesn't require the comestics. I should clarify that I actually have two deadlines. For the city inspector, I just need to get the carpet installed and cover my air return vent. However, for the "real" inspector (I sleep next to her) finishing the room in less than a year would save me some measurable amount of grief. "So & so built such & such in less than a year and you're still working on that one room?" jk

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