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Don't hold out on us I have been considering this myself.
Well we talked a little about it here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...l#post32345529

I'm going to do something and add a router table to my new table saw fence I just upgrade. I have about 3 feet by 28.5" between the rails to play with. Fence is 50" with a 42" rip. A kreg drop in top is a possibility. As was Incra. Or I could use a cheap one like this $99 RYOBI I have from HD, and just take the legs off it.

I kind of made a DIY table back in Bryan's thread when I first played with raising panels.

All you need is a hole in some MDF for the router to poke through and you have a router table.

It's the fence system, adjustments, featherboards, miter gauges and all the fun stuff that is a pain if you DIY. If you want a proper one better to buy it IMO. But a make shift router table is pretty easy.
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Well we talked a little about it here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...l#post32345529

I'm going to do something and add a router table to my new table saw fence I just upgrade. I have about 3 feet by 28.5" between the rails to play with. Fence is 50" with a 42" rip. A kreg drop in top is a possibility. As was Incra. Or I could use a cheap one like this $99 RYOBI I have from HD, and just take the legs off it.

I kind of made a DIY table back in Bryan's thread when I first played with raising panels.

All you need is a hole in some MDF for the router to poke through and you have a router table.

It's the fence system, adjustments, featherboards, miter gauges and all the fun stuff that is a pain if you DIY. If you want a proper one better to buy it IMO. But a make shift router table is pretty easy.
Thanks you are the best.
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Mario,

I wanted to thank you again for your hospitality the other night. It was great meeting you and experiencing your theater was an absolute thrill. Although, I have to admit it was bad experiencing some of your extra treats, ie d-box. All that did was cost me money!! Your entire basement is awesome and I appreciate you sharing it with us.

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You bet Jeff.

It was great to talk shop with you and James. Thanks for the bottle of wine!

BTW, I noticed my Darbee had been turned all the way down (Perhaps when I unplugged it a while back), so the picture got even better after I reset that back up to the levels I initially had it at.

Also, I'd probably recommend you and James go with the Dune Base 3D for playback over the other models I suggested.

Let me know if you end up going with the M&K speakers.

Hopefully you don't need a visit to the chiropractor after experiencing the D-Box. That Flight of the Pheonix is pretty violent. I noticed it had moved James' chair over about 6" even with him in it.
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You bet Jeff.

It was great to talk shop with you and James. Thanks for the bottle of wine!

BTW, I noticed my Darbee had been turned all the way down (Perhaps when I unplugged it a while back), so the picture got even better after I reset that back up to the levels I initially had it at.

Also, I'd probably recommend you and James go with the Dune Base 3D for playback over the other models I suggested.

Let me know if you end up going with the M&K speakers.

Hopefully you don't need a visit to the chiropractor after experiencing the D-Box. That Flight of the Pheonix is pretty violent. I noticed it had moved James' chair over about 6" even with him in it.

Hope the wine is to your liking, consider it thanks and prepayment for future guidance

I'm interested in the Dune. Wondering if it will be compatible with 4k?

Interesting about the Darbee. I thought picture was already great!

I am between Triad and M&K. Planning a Triad demo soon. I'll keep you posted and plan for a future demo at my house

That is hilarious about the d-box. It was really fun!!

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Mario,

Loved your theater build, you have contributed a ton to the aspiring DIY'ers and for that I THANK YOU. Did you build your own screen or did your order it from Seymour? If DIY, can you point me to some tips for building your own CIH screen with Seymour AT material?
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Hi Maxtate,

Thanks so much. Glad you found the thread helpful.

I ordered my screen and frame directly from Seymour.
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Hope the wine is to your liking, consider it thanks and prepayment for future guidance

I'm interested in the Dune. Wondering if it will be compatible with 4k?

Interesting about the Darbee. I thought picture was already great!

I am between Triad and M&K. Planning a Triad demo soon. I'll keep you posted and plan for a future demo at my house

That is hilarious about the d-box. It was really fun!!

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Hey Jeff,

I don't think it will support 4k. But I think it might provide a good interim solution until 4k is more mainstream.

Yeah - keep me posted on your speaker selection.
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Do you use some type of Matrix switch to get different signals to the end destination TV locations?    How many 'inputs' could you have and how many output locations?


I have an 8x8 audio/video matrix switch. (8 inputs to 8 outputs) I double up a couple of TV locations like the outdoor popup TV that get less frequent use.

We offer larger matrix switches like 8x16 or 12x16 that typically get installed into restaurants and bars though.

Where did you buy the switch sir?
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Where did you buy the switch sir?
I haven't purchased one, but, Mario got his from the Cinemar web-site (albeit, he may not have ordered from the web-site, I believe he has contacts ;-):

https://www.cinemarsolutions.com/hdt...ches_cmx88.php
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This may sound bias coming from me but a Full Quested System in this theatre will kick ass. The Quested LT (Long Throw) will work perfectly well in this sort of design.
I just getting a AT Screen, Raise the speaker height
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This may sound bias coming from me but a Full Quested System in this theatre will kick ass. The Quested LT (Long Throw) will work perfectly well in this sort of design.
I just getting a AT Screen, Raise the speaker height
At some point, I should audition some other speakers just to see what I may be missing.
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At some point, I should audition some other speakers just to see what I may be missing.


have you tried the New Quested Z Series?
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OK, there goes a good part of my day reading about this marvelous theater project.

I read a little about your Dolby Atmos upgrade, can you give us any updates? Did you ever make modifications for ceiling speakers or are they still inside the colums? I upgraded to Atmos earlier this year and it is fantastic, even with DSU and non-Atmos material.

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Unfortunately I have not heard a demo of them.
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OK, there goes a good part of my day reading about this marvelous theater project.

I read a little about your Dolby Atmos upgrade, can you give us any updates? Did you ever make modifications for ceiling speakers or are they still inside the colums? I upgraded to Atmos earlier this year and it is fantastic, even with DSU and non-Atmos material.
I ended up leaving the M&K SS-150 (in tripole mode) speakers in the soffit pointed up towards the ceiling...rather than up high in the columns along the sides. They seem to reflect nicely off the ceiling and back down to the seating.


Movie seasons is just starting for us. Aside from the kids and parties, I personally didn't get a chance to watch many movies during the summer months. Hopefully we will see the new Avengers this Friday.

I definitely thought moving to Atmos was a major upgrade!
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I've started playing around with more ideas for the screen wall and also some trim/molding/chair rail concepts.

Here's a wireframe cutout view. After looking around the web for some color ideas...I'm leaning towards black columns and "fake" wainscoting (trim over drywall). This will also help to disguise the built in speakers and darken the room. Then fabric colored panels on the top half of the wall with trim around it to help splash some color into the room. The raised soffit will provide a cool effect to a future star ceiling.

Always interested in feedback or suggestions.

I will admit I haven't read every single post so my apologies if this has been asked. EDIT: I see it has been asked quite a bit, no need to answer I saw you answer.

First, love your theater and want to emulate it in many ways. My question regards your plans. Is that sketchup you used to build the plans? If so, do you do that type of work professionally or did you learn to use sketchup for this project? I downloaded it but it did not seem terribly intuitive. I couldn't even draw a rectangular room and quickly gave up . Right now just making diagrams in powerpoint which is definitely NOT the answer!

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I've done a lot in sketch up and learned it myself. My recommendation is to follow the tutorials that come with sketch up. They will quickly teach you how to use all of the tools necessary to build something like what's in the picture above.


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First, love your theater and want to emulate it in many ways. My question regards your plans. Is that sketchup you used to build the plans? If so, do you do that type of work professionally or did you learn to use sketchup for this project? I downloaded it but it did not seem terribly intuitive. I couldn't even draw a rectangular room and quickly gave up . Right now just making diagrams in powerpoint which is definitely NOT the answer!
Emulating Mario's theater would put you in a very popular company -- the Cinemar Theater is very likely the most commonly copied theater on AVS right now. For darn good reason!

Anyway, he's definitely not using SketchUp. SketchUp models tend to have a particular "look" to them and Mario's models are much more of a "rendered" style.

SketchUp is the easiest to use 3D design software by a HUGE margin. I suggest just following along with a few of the tutorials and you might find that it all conceptually "clicks" in short time.

But... nobody is saying that you have to have a 3D plan at all. Many people have designed home theaters using PowerPoint diagrams, so you're in good company. Others have even used tools like MS Paint. Still others just sketch it all out on pieces of paper. Really, just use whatever you can to get across what you have in mind and it'll be fine.
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You can do a theater with Marios drawings and napkin sketches. See White Oak. skip the time to learn sketch-up. Start with the basics, stage, riser, soffits and columns once you have the basic size and placement of those items figured out and constructed you can add all the trim details on the fly. . If you try to model it now you are diverting your energy from building.
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You can do a theater with Marios drawings and napkin sketches. See White Oak. skip the time to learn sketch-up. Start with the basics, stage, riser, soffits and columns once you have the basic size and placement of those items figured out and constructed you can add all the trim details on the fly. . If you try to model it now you are diverting your energy from building.
I agree. I just used good old pencil and graph paper to draw out mine then played around with it a bit in MS Paint. Make sure you really think through your electrical, speakers wiring for the future and hvac. They are near impossible to change once you get too far along. It helps a lot to have a great thread like this to get ideas and tutorials on how to do stuff. I, obviously took a great deal of inspiration from Mario's work on my build.

Thanks again Mario for the time you have taken here and for helping me out.

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I've done a lot in sketch up and learned it myself. My recommendation is to follow the tutorials that come with sketch up. They will quickly teach you how to use all of the tools necessary to build something like what's in the picture above.

+1. It's a fantastic tool and really shouldn't take more than an hour of watching the "basic" tutorials before you're creating useful models. From there, you can keep advancing your knowledge by finding a specific tutorial each time you get stuck and are trying to figure out how to model something.


Mario's 3d rendering tool (I forget the name) is most likely a) expensive and b) comes with a 10x learning curve. Sketchup is, IMO, the perfect tool for what we do here, and you certainly can't beat the price (free)!
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I will admit I haven't read every single post so my apologies if this has been asked. EDIT: I see it has been asked quite a bit, no need to answer I saw you answer.

First, love your theater and want to emulate it in many ways. My question regards your plans. Is that sketchup you used to build the plans? If so, do you do that type of work professionally or did you learn to use sketchup for this project? I downloaded it but it did not seem terribly intuitive. I couldn't even draw a rectangular room and quickly gave up . Right now just making diagrams in powerpoint which is definitely NOT the answer!
Thanks for the compliments.

Sounds like you found the answer. For those that didn't, I used Newtek's Lightwave3D. Probably not a software tool that most would want to jump into just for a project like this unless you plan to use it allot. The learning curve is much much steeper than I imagine Sketchup would be.
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I agree. I just used good old pencil and graph paper to draw out mine then played around with it a bit in MS Paint. Make sure you really think through your electrical, speakers wiring for the future and hvac. They are near impossible to change once you get too far along. It helps a lot to have a great thread like this to get ideas and tutorials on how to do stuff. I, obviously took a great deal of inspiration from Mario's work on my build.

Thanks again Mario for the time you have taken here and for helping me out.
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Emulating Mario's theater would put you in a very popular company -- the Cinemar Theater is very likely the most commonly copied theater on AVS right now. For darn good reason!

Anyway, he's definitely not using SketchUp. SketchUp models tend to have a particular "look" to them and Mario's models are much more of a "rendered" style.

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But... nobody is saying that you have to have a 3D plan at all. Many people have designed home theaters using PowerPoint diagrams, so you're in good company. Others have even used tools like MS Paint. Still others just sketch it all out on pieces of paper. Really, just use whatever you can to get across what you have in mind and it'll be fine.
I copied alot of this theater as well. Thus the name of Clone 2.0 for my theater build.

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I agree. I just used good old pencil and graph paper to draw out mine then played around with it a bit in MS Paint. Make sure you really think through your electrical, speakers wiring for the future and hvac. They are near impossible to change once you get too far along. It helps a lot to have a great thread like this to get ideas and tutorials on how to do stuff. I, obviously took a great deal of inspiration from Mario's work on my build.

Thanks again Mario for the time you have taken here and for helping me out.
Exactly what I did, as my dimensions were so close to Mario's. Grid paper, ruler and a pencil.

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I just added these screenshots to my first post to show placement of all my latest speakers and subs including Atmos.





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Are you only putting the Atmos speakers around the first row of seats for a reason?

I know that there are several possibilities for why. If this was someone else's room, I would ask if they knew what the proper placement locations were, but I know that you know where they should go. So that lead me to think that maybe you just wanted the Atmos sound to focus on the front row because that is where people sit most of the time. They are almost perfectly "centered" in the room which would make for a good DTS:X layout as well. I am sure that there are other possibilities as well. Just thought that I would ask.
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Are you only putting the Atmos speakers around the first row of seats for a reason?

I know that there are several possibilities for why. If this was someone else's room, I would ask if they knew what the proper placement locations were, but I know that you know where they should go. So that lead me to think that maybe you just wanted the Atmos sound to focus on the front row because that is where people sit most of the time. They are almost perfectly "centered" in the room which would make for a good DTS:X layout as well. I am sure that there are other possibilities as well. Just thought that I would ask.
Because the atmos speakers reflect off the ceiling in the soffit area -- I had to take some more creative liberty with the placement to get the best sound in both rows.

From my testing, these positions seem to provide the best experience for both rows. Perhaps the front could have been a little better by changing the position; however, because of the back row seating is outside of the soffit area, moving the top rear's to the back made them not as bright in the back row. So I had to balance them out a bit so overall the experience satisfied the front and rear seating.

If the atmos speakers were not in the soffit and facing downward, my locations would have changed.

EDIT: One thing I don't think I've tried is declaring the TOP REAR as TOP MIDDLE to see if there was any difference. Has anyone else noticed a huge difference in changing these settings?

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