Originally Posted by kingwiggi
Don't know how many people actually know about this yet since the 110c was only recently released but there is an extra command line switch in Q-SYS designer 7.0.1 onwards that gives you access to a new cinema widget under audio components. In there are a number of new control blocks one of which is an Active Matrix Surround decoder, aka 'Pro Logic' block, you'll want to give this a try instead of simply duplicating those channels as JonasHansen mentioned.
To enable the new Cinema mode, add "/cinema" without quotes to the end of the designer 7.0.1 > shortcut. This works with the core 110f as well as the 'c', no reason to believe that it wont work with your core.
Hey, I’m actually already running in Cinema Mode (called QSC to figure out how to activate it and they told me exactly what you did regarding the /cinema). I will definitely try this out, as I’d love to hear what improvements a pro-logic style tool for the surrounds could bring.
Originally Posted by audioguy
I see that differently. Balancing subs may improve bass response for places other than the MLP since I can only assume that is the spot for which it is already optimized.
So then let me state it differently. I will assume that Matt and his bride are, at the moment, the primary users of the theater. They already sit in the "sweet spots" for optimized bass response. So adding balancing subs will do little to nothing for them (I am quite aware the benefits of more subs placed strategically around the room). The Trinnov, on the other hand, will benefit Matt and his wife immediately AND when they give up the best seats for guests.
I don't post these observations lightly. I have almost the identical speaker configuration and brand as Matt as well as the same number of subs and same brand/model. At his MLP, he needs ZERO balancing subs to get all of the even, impactful bass he needs as I know he can reach 125dB across the entire bass spectrum. Having also owned lesser processors and then switching to the highest level was a real eye opener for me as well as for anyone else who has gone down this road.
I am not the audio police. Just someone who has an opinion and has chosen to express it.
Yup, certainly agree. I question the need for the balancing subs at the moment, as bass is strong and even throughout the room. It was one of the first things
noticed the first time he heard the room last year. Even distribution of bass was a big deal for me. I want everyone to be wowed.
BTW—we had our physician and her family over Sat. Night for a movie—we ended up screening a movie called “A Matter of Faith.” It was my wife’s suggestion, and disagreed initially because I selfishly wanted to put on a blockbuster to show off the prowess of the theater, but I thought about it and agreed we should show that movie. I would strongly urge you to check it out—it’s on Netflix. It’s an absolutely superb movie that touches on a topic very near and dear to my heart: Evolution vs. Intelligent Design.
Her family loved it, and she actually shed a tear at one point during the movie. One of my commitments to God was that if He provided the time and means for me to finish the theater, I would share movies that uplift Him in the theater as well.
Note to Mods: this is NOT a religious post—simply discussing a movie genre.
Originally Posted by Apgood
You sure you can use it that way, because when I had a look at it it had 4 channels: left, centre, right and surround.
For extracting a third channel from 2 channels you'd just want the LCR of that matrix mixer but there's no way to disable the surround channel, so I assume you'd lose whatever content is sent to that channel.
Of course I'm making the assumption you lose something from the original 2 channels into this surround channel. If it just adds some ambient and/or delayed content it wouldn't matter.
There isn't any real info about what it does online so it's hard to say.
Great point...I’m going to call QSC whenever I have time to find out. I have very little free time, and I want to make sure this is viable before pursuing.
Originally Posted by audioguy
Matt: Having now lived in your "completed" theater for a while, are you still considering adding "balancing subs"?
FWIW, and IMO, I would make that update after buying and installing a Trinnov. The Trinnov will improve the experience for all listeners while I would think balancing subs would primarily improve the experience for the select few (depending on where they are sitting).
I am so taken by the improvement of a high end processor (Datasat or Trinnov) over the traditional ones, that my recommendation would be for anyone interested in and able to afford such a box, make it the highest priority.
I have a friend who purchased my RS20i for his home near me and then he found a super deal on a used Datasat LS10 for a home he has in the mountains with another theater. He has experienced in both those very different rooms (completely different speakers, completely different passive treatment, completely different subwoofers and completely different sizes) the same kind of incredible improvement that I have. Far superior envelopment; and far better integrated bass and far better overall sonics.
You seriously have a "world class theater" both cosmetically and the audio/video system. And while I certainly recognize that the Trinnov you need for your room is very expensive but I am more than willing to bet that once you get a Trinnov installed, you will wonder how you ever lived without it. It really makes that much difference. I have owned fully fleshed out projector-based theaters since 1991. And this is the first time I have ever been in the situation when either listening to music or watching a movie/concert video that I don't think of what I can do to make it better - including adding more speakers.
Post Script: That does not apply to doing things like making access to my sources and media more convenient and "wife operable". And I am hoping my Dune gets me closer.
Chuck...the balancing subs. They are an interesting thing. As you mentioned a couple post below (which I actually responded to above due to the wacky order that Tapatalk arranged my multi-quote responses), we get the full bass envelopment at the MLP. The interesting thing is, we get full bass envelopment in every single seat! My audio plan was based on subs only in the corners of the room. Now that they currently reside against the rear wall, I think that changed the original bass modeling that Nyal did where there was a dip of a few DB right around the front row, potentially rendering the balancing subs moot. Judging from my own experience, as well as those who have experienced our theater in full force, no such dip exists! Lol.
The Trinnov is soooooo far from being a consideration right now. While I was building the theater, I also tried to get into real estate investing. Didn’t work out too well, had multiple contracts fall through, and took quite a financial hit paying multiple mortgages for a prolonged period of time.....ended up selling the portfolio at a net loss so nothing was recouped. So, my days of spending tens of thousands on leisure equipment are behind me..at least until mid-to-late 2019 when, based on our revised saving/investment rhythm, I expect to be back where I was before the failed venture. Then, I can start looking at the Trinnov 32 or its latest competitors.
Not all risks work out, but you never know until you try.
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