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The other thing I gotta say is that I'm really a huge fan of the Plex. For years I was running a big bada$$ HTPC with Kodi, and thought that was legit. Over the last year I added the NAS and steadily moved all of the house's media over to it. In the last week I ditched the HTPC, and added a Shield and the miniPC (for the MoviePoster app), and I gotta say: yesterday completely finished my conversion. The little remote is awesome, the UI is great, and I'm a huge fan of the interface. The Brother-in-Law and I were going back and forth thru the Oppo, 4k Apple TV, and Shield, and I gotta say that I really prefer the Shield!

That being said, now I have to see what the lifetime membership gets me...
The other thing to consider Doug is to sideload KODI into the Shield which gives you a much better customized UI and never have to worry about transcoding. That's what I did over a year ago and haven't looked back. So much so that I skipped the whole uber expensive UHD BD player bit. It will be interesting to see what nVIDIA has in store over the next couple of years.
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The other thing to consider Doug is to sideload KODI into the Shield which gives you a much better customized UI and never have to worry about transcoding. That's what I did over a year ago and haven't looked back. So much so that I skipped the whole uber expensive UHD BD player bit. It will be interesting to see what nVIDIA has in store over the next couple of years.
A few comments on Kodi on Shield.
  • If using Kodi as a standalone, it works well on Shield but your database is exclusive to one device, so other TV's will need independent setups.
  • If using Kodi with the Plex database as a backend, then you can install Kodi on any device and connect to your Plex and it will all be there. Much better, except...
  • One of the points of using Plex is for simplicity for others to use, and part of this is having the same interface over different devices. Use Plex on the Shield and you can use Plex on smart tv's that have it, ATV4k's, FTV, Roku, etc., and the experience is recognizable with any device.

A couple other side comments regarding Kodi
  • You don't have to sideload it, it is available in the google play store.
  • Kodi on other devices without a Plex backend to transcode when necessary will have issues with any format the device can't natively play. An example of this is the Amazon Fire TV can't direct play VC-1 files at more than 1-2 fps. And it can't handle more than 25mbps bitstream, so either you have to compress your 4k videos or you just can't play them.

Kodi is great, don't get me wrong. But once I moved to Plex and accepted the less than stellar UI, I found the ease of use, uniform experience across devices, and ability to transcode on incompatible devices to be a godsend. I can have a near identical experience across 7 different TV's in the house with Shield, FTV, XBox, Playstation, and SmartTV apps. While I am no longer married, this has huge WAF (GAF in my case, lol).
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A few comments on Kodi on Shield.
  • If using Kodi as a standalone, it works well on Shield but your database is exclusive to one device, so other TV's will need independent setups.
  • If using Kodi with the Plex database as a backend, then you can install Kodi on any device and connect to your Plex and it will all be there. Much better, except...
  • One of the points of using Plex is for simplicity for others to use, and part of this is having the same interface over different devices. Use Plex on the Shield and you can use Plex on smart tv's that have it, ATV4k's, FTV, Roku, etc., and the experience is recognizable with any device.

A couple other side comments regarding Kodi
  • You don't have to sideload it, it is available in the google play store.
  • Kodi on other devices without a Plex backend to transcode when necessary will have issues with any format the device can't natively play. An example of this is the Amazon Fire TV can't direct play VC-1 files at more than 1-2 fps. And it can't handle more than 25mbps bitstream, so either you have to compress your 4k videos or you just can't play them.

Kodi is great, don't get me wrong. But once I moved to Plex and accepted the less than stellar UI, I found the ease of use, uniform experience across devices, and ability to transcode on incompatible devices to be a godsend. I can have a near identical experience across 7 different TV's in the house with Shield, FTV, XBox, Playstation, and SmartTV apps. While I am no longer married, this has huge WAF (GAF in my case, lol).
Yes, all of this is true, but in Doug's case his application I believe was specific to his HT. This is how I have it setup in my HT and use my NAS to stream to other TVs in the house running either PLEX or KODI. Both great apps, I just was very particular about my UI in the theater. I have also had zero issues running 4K content as I play either MKV or M2TS through KODI.
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Plex question. Since Matt and others seem to be really high on this product, I decided to activate it on my NAS. Some questions:

(1) During set up, it it found my MAIN folder, in which I have all of my moves but did not seem to find the sub folders that were categorized like: 4K, Up Next; BluRay, etc. What is the trick to make that happen.

(2) It did a fairly poor job of finding art work, etc for my Concert BluRays compared to the built in screener of my Dune or the app on my Apple TV. Even when I fed it some imdb numbers, it failed. What is the fix for this?

(3) Lastly, it completely missed about 5 of my BRs and the only way I am going to be able to tell which ones is to do a one for one check against what i know is on it. Neither the ATV nor Dune had this issue?

After posting this, I think I should probably move this elsewhere since I don't want to derail Matt's thread to discussions about Plex
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Plex question. Since Matt and others seem to be really high on this product, I decided to activate it on my NAS. Some questions:

(1) During set up, it it found my MAIN folder, in which I have all of my moves but did not seem to find the sub folders that were categorized like: 4K, Up Next; BluRay, etc. What is the trick to make that happen.

(2) It did a fairly poor job of finding art work, etc for my Concert BluRays compared to the built in screener of my Dune or the app on my Apple TV. Even when I fed it some imdb numbers, it failed. What is the fix for this?

(3) Lastly, it completely missed about 5 of my BRs and the only way I am going to be able to tell which ones is to do a one for one check against what i know is on it. Neither the ATV nor Dune had this issue?

After posting this, I think I should probably move this elsewhere since I don't want to derail Matt's thread to discussions about Plex
Agreed to not derail this thread, but a couple of quick answers/guidelines with PLEX. Plex has very specific naming guidelines for it to recognize movie titles, I believe can only do a single folder for data per category you create, and you should be able to manually have it update cover art or you choose which ones to display. There is a lot more info on the PLEX forums including many guides to check out. As you also have a DUNE player, there are other third party software available specific for the DUNE to categorize and display your media that may have a nicer UI than PLEX.
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Yeah, for the occasional cover art error, I drag and drop the right image from a Google search into the appropriate section of the "edit" option box.

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Yeah, for the occasional cover art error, I drag and drop the right image from a Google search into the appropriate section of the "edit" option box.

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Except it is more than just cover art. It thinks it is some other movie completely!!
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As you also have a DUNE player, there are other third party software available specific for the DUNE to categorize and display your media that may have a nicer UI than PLEX.
Thanks. I will check those out! Any specific recommendations?
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Except it is more than just cover art. It thinks it is some other movie completely!!
It thought my Diana Krall: Live in Rio was Queen: Live in Rio. This was because the folder and filename were: Live in Rio. Once i renamed it, all was well. Hows your folder hierarchy named? Mine is: nas volume (Z>Plex>Movies>The Dark Knight>The Dark Knight

The last two are folder level and file level respectively.

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It thought my Diana Krall: Live in Rio was Queen: Live in Rio. This was because the folder and filename were: Live in Rio. Once i renamed it, all was well. Hows your folder hierarchy named? Mine is: nas volume (Z>Plex>Movies>The Dark Knight>The Dark Knight

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I have found that for movies adding in the year helps selecting the correct movie artwork and descriptions. ie: Total Recall (1990). Every movie is placed in its own folder and only occasionally I need to manually change the artwork and descriptions. Very rarely do I have a problem.

Once I used the appropriate folder and file naming convention, most of the artwork scraping issues disappeared
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Use the Plex naming convention and you won't have problems, at least with normal movies. https://support.plex.tv/articles/cat...a-preparation/

If it does match as the wrong film you can fix it by rematching https://support.plex.tv/articles/201...x-match-match/

Also, leave the Plex scanner as the highest in the hierarchy as it had the most detailed data.

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I will add that if it identifies two files as the same movie, it will put them together. You then have to split them if you want them to be two different movies, and the one that is wrong you need to do the "fix match".

You can set the metadata scrapers used for artwork, and even add a hierarchy for which ones to use first. And if it isn't right, you can edit and select cover art and poster, or as Matt said, you can always get your own cover art and drop it in.

For naming, I have had very few issues. All my stuff is in one folder, and I sometimes use underscores, sometimes dots, sometimes spaces. I put the movie name followed by the year (sometimes), which is sometimes in parentheses and sometimes not. The year helps for sure. Maybe one in 25 get matched wrong, and maybe one in 100 gets really messed up, can't be found, or gets matched with an existing movie and doubled up.

Casino_Royale_(2006).mkv
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Casino Royale 2006.mkv
Casino Royale (2006).mkv

All these will work just fine.
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Not to derail this thread anymore, but reading about Plex, Kodi, Dune, etc... Makes me happy that I have what I have with Jriver. It just needs some tweaking and then I will be good to go. But if this other stuff works for you guys, go for it. But I am happy with my machine. And Matt, I can't make those dates either. Maybe in the spring we can work something out.
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Just generated some new demo clips from Deadpool 2. Added to the G2G lineup! I cant wait!!!

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Just generated some new demo clips from Deadpool 2. Added to the G2G lineup! I cant wait!!!

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Looking forward to it! I'm playing with an Nvidia Shield that I have just bought upon your advice. I was going to wait to see yours but finally reached the end of the straw with my Roku 3.
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If you sign up for plex pass, you get a one time use 20% off coupon for Western Digital. I was planning on getting four 12TB drives, but but they only have up to 6TB on the WD site. I wanted to use the coupon, so I got four 6TB drives instead, which is ok. I'm averaging 15-18 4k UHD mov files per TB.

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Looking forward to it! I'm playing with an Nvidia Shield that I have just bought upon your advice. I was going to wait to see yours but finally reached the end of the straw with my Roku 3.
Going on two years with with Shield and haven't looked back since as I'm running Kodi on it as well. Great platform, excellent support, and always being updated.


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Matt, did you buy WD Red NAS drives or some other WD variant. I'm asking as their Red NAS drives are only 5400 RPM. HGST would be another recommendation and they are stable to 10TB even though larger capacities exist; and rated at 7200 RPM. I started out with WD Red but switched to HGST for faster access speeds. May I ask what configuration (RAID, UNRAID, etc) you are currently running with your server?
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Going on two years with with Shield and haven't looked back since as I'm running Kodi on it as well. Great platform, excellent support, and always being updated.




Matt, did you buy WD Red NAS drives or some other WD variant. I'm asking as their Red NAS drives are only 5400 RPM. HGST would be another recommendation and they are stable to 10TB even though larger capacities exist; and rated at 7200 RPM. I started out with WD Red but switched to HGST for faster access speeds. May I ask what configuration (RAID, UNRAID, etc) you are currently running with your server?
Current disks are working great, and they're a hodge podge of WD Green and Seagate Barracudas from 2013 (lolol. I figure as long as the WD Reds perform equally to the current disks, I should be good. Running as span, as the plan was always to put proper drives into the WD PR4100... looking at RAID5 with the new disks.


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Looking forward to it! I'm playing with an Nvidia Shield that I have just bought upon your advice. I was going to wait to see yours but finally reached the end of the straw with my Roku catch!


Great catch, man! What do you use to manage your media? Plex, Kodi, etc.?

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For a NAS that will mostly stream movies, the rotational speed of the drive isn't going to matter. The benefits of lower temperatures and noise outweigh the loss of random access speed IMHO.

If you need to speed up random access, more RAM is a better (but maybe more expensive) way to go.

For a true NAS with a RAID controller or software RAID, you really need to use NAS drives like the Reds that have better error reporting so the controller can do its job.
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For 1080p movies the Red drives can handle outputting 3-4 simultaneous streams. What can they do with 4K?

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For a NAS that will mostly stream movies, the rotational speed of the drive isn't going to matter. The benefits of lower temperatures and noise outweigh the loss of random access speed IMHO.

If you need to speed up random access, more RAM is a better (but maybe more expensive) way to go.

For a true NAS with a RAID controller or software RAID, you really need to use NAS drives like the Reds that have better error reporting so the controller can do its job.
I used to use PCI-E x16 Raid controllers 10 years ago before these NAS boxes got hot. Couldn't risk losing my game data.

Interestingly, my loss of interest in gaming coincided with a steep rise of interest in A/V, but I used the computer based server for movie storage after discovering JRiver. I prefer the limitless flexibility and GUI of JRiver vs. Plex on Android, but I appreciate the stability and robust file playback capabilities of Plex. Also, not having tinker with an HTPC continuously--that's priceless. Between the two, Plex wins by a hair.

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FINAL ATTENDEE LIST FOR THE G2G!

One Week and three days away!

20 minutes of sweet, high resolution music (DSD 5.8Ghz and 96/24 FLAC files) followed by 50 minutes of 4K demos with immersive audio.




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Matt: Curious?

How do you play DSD files in your system? I did not think the Anthem supported it? Do you convert to analog and pay directly or still go through the Anthem? Does room correction get applied?

OT. Do you have Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk? I purchased it and get audio only. Does it need a certified 18GH cable?
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How do you play DSD files in your system? I did not think the Anthem supported it? Do you convert to analog and pay directly or still go through the Anthem? Does room correction get applied?
Hey Chuck--a couple ways:

1) NAS-->Oppo Sonica DAC-->Anthem AVM60 via single ended Black Mamba interconnects.

2) NAS-->NVIDIA Shield via Plex-->Anthem AVM60 via HDMI


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1) NAS-->Oppo Sonica DAC-->Anthem AVM60 via single ended Black Mamba interconnects.

2) NAS-->NVIDIA Shield via Plex-->Anthem AVM60 via HDMI
So (1) stays in analog after conversion and no room correction but (2) is re-digitized and has room EQ applied?
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So (1) stays in analog after conversion and no room correction but (2) is re-digitized and has room EQ applied?
Well, alllll signals are ultimately digitized at the QSC QSYS EQ level before hitting the amps.

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Matt: Curious?

How do you play DSD files in your system? I did not think the Anthem supported it? Do you convert to analog and pay directly or still go through the Anthem? Does room correction get applied?

OT. Do you have Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk? I purchased it and get audio only. Does it need a certified 18GH cable?
DUDE, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH BILLY LYNNS LHTW....THE HDMI CABLE IS DEFINITELY THE HANG UP. Must be certified for sure man....i cant tell the hours ive spent trying to work through thst one movie last year. Its a torture test for video chains. BUT....it needs to be more than certified....i needs to be tested. I currently have two certified cables running to my projector (each costing well over $400)..and to this day, one can pass the video while the other cant.

Theres a thread where Arrow AV did extensive trsting with a sample suze of four cables per manufacturer. Their results mimic my own. MHX w/ accelerator passes in all tests onnall cables, while the Celerity does not. The current recommendation is the Ruipro cable in amazon.... does what my MHX cable does at a third of the price.

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DUDE, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH BILLY LYNNS LHTW....THE HDMI CABLE IS DEFINITELY THE HANG UP. Must be certified for sure man....i cant tell the hours ive spent trying to work through thst one movie last year. Its a torture test for video chains. BUT....it needs to be more than certified....i needs to be tested. I currently have two certified cables running to my projector (each costing well over $400)..and to this day, one can pass the video while the other cant.

Theres a thread where Arrow AV did extensive trsting with a sample suze of four cables per manufacturer. Their results mimic my own. MHX w/ accelerator passes in all tests onnall cables, while the Celerity does not. The current recommendation is the Ruipro cable in amazon.... does what my MHX cable does at a third of the price.

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So what is it about this particular movie that makes such demands on the cables? Is it because it is 60fps vs 24? I don't mind spending the money if more and more future releases are going to make the same demands but have zero interest if this is a one shot deal (plus, apparently this movie is not that great)
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So, i think it’s definitely a one-shot deal because I it’s the only movie out there with this super high frame rate. It’s probably the best video quality I’ve ever seen on a movie. I think it’s 120fps isn’t it? Or was it 60? But either way, I was hoping more movies would come out with that super high frame rate, but alas—two years later, nothing. If your current cable is working, stick with it! I’m shocked though—I ran my HDMI cables at least 2 years after yours were run (3 of them), and they are 100% obsolete. Can’t pass the full 4k signal. I ran Cat6 as well in case those cables became obsolete, but I expected 4K UHD baluns to be 100% stable right now (I don’t think they are, but I haven’t looked in quite some time. Emotiva has something that looks useful.


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My current cable works for every other movie (purchased in 2013 -- BlueJeans). BJ has another cable certified for 18gb but I'm not even interested in spending another $50 for a one shot deal!
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