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Terrific work, really starting to come together.
Thanks Memmo. Carpet tomorrow.
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coming along nicely, looks like your turning the corner and in the home stretch, really like the stone work... looking forward to seeing the finished space and hopefully getting some nice pics of it
Hey thanks Rich. I missed this post somehow.
I know a guy...that I think can take some nice pics after it complete.
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Carpet canceled. Installers called this morning, carpet did not arrive. So we will try again next Saturday. It is just as well, I could use another week working on the punch list doing things I really wanted to wrap up before carpet goes in, like moving the outlet in the ceiling. Since I did not plan or think about acoustical treatment when I started, I did not think about the placement of the outlet for the projector, so it will need to be moved. As of now it will be directly under the QuadFusors I have for the ceiling. Live and learn, start with a plan.


Word to the wise to who may be reading this and starting their own room. Have a plan drawn up to work off of it and if you don't think you will need it or do it, plan for it anyways.
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Carpet canceled. Installers called this morning, carpet did not arrive. So we will try again next Saturday. It is just as well, I could use another week working on the punch list doing things I really wanted to wrap up before carpet goes in, like moving the outlet in the ceiling. Since I did not plan or think about acoustical treatment when I started, I did not think about the placement of the outlet for the projector, so it will need to be moved. As of now it will be directly under the QuadFusors I have for the ceiling. Live and learn, start with a plan.


Word to the wise to who may be reading this and starting their own room. Have a plan drawn up to work off of it and if you don't think you will need it or do it, plan for it anyways.
I remember an earlier one of your posts... You PM'd Dennis E about your stone hampering your sound. Did he ever get back to you? Curious as to what he may have replied. Where abouts are you planning to install the Quad Fusors? Do you have a layout planned?
Keep rockin' this build! Keep the progress pics coming.
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I remember an earlier one of your posts... You PM'd Dennis E about your stone hampering your sound. Did he ever get back to you? Curious as to what he may have replied. Where abouts are you planning to install the Quad Fusors? Do you have a layout planned?
Keep rockin' this build! Keep the progress pics coming.

I did. Dennis said not a problem depending upon the relationship of the LCR speakers to you ears and the lower half of the wall.
Nyal with Acoustic Frontiers drew up the acoustic plan for the room. I reached out to him after reading through the Savoy and he worked up a plan
There will be 3 rows of 3 going on the back half of the ceiling spaced 9" apart. The plan originally called for 12" of spacing but talking with Nyal and explaining that @ 12" the last panel would be up against the soffit, he said 9" would work
There are 2 QuadraPyarmids going on each of the side walls in the back panel upper half
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Projector Height

Mounted the projector so that I could marked out a spot to relocate the ceiling outlet, wow it hangs low. AV Science said I needed a 24" pole but now that it is up it seems like the project is going to sit too low, 72" above the riser. Using a Sony 55es and would that have enough shift in it to raise it up with out effecting the picture?


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Mounted the projector so that I could marked out a spot to relocate the ceiling outlet, wow it hangs low. AV Science said I needed a 24" pole but now that it is up it seems like the project is going to sit too low, 72" above the riser. Using a Sony 55es and would that have enough shift in it to raise it up with out effecting the picture?
Any thoughts?
I always preface my responses with "I'm no expert", but here goes:

Looks like the vertical lens shift for the 55es is spec'd for +/- 71%. I assume that is of the total image height, with 0% being the center of the screen. Your 125" wide scope screen will give a 52" 16:9 image, therefore 71% X 52" = 36 inches of available shift. 52/2 = 26. 36-26 equals 10 inches. Looks like the lens center can be a maximum of 10 inches above the top of your screen.
Unfortunately I know very little about anamorphic lenses and potential distortion from being off center.
The Epson 5030 by comparison has 93% lens shift, which would allow almost 2 feet above.

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I always preface my responses with "I'm no expert", but here goes:

Looks like the vertical lens shift for the 55es is spec'd for +/- 71%. I assume that is of the total image height, with 0% being the center of the screen. Your 125" wide scope screen will give a 52" 16:9 image, therfore 75% X 52" = 36 inches of available shift. 52/2 = 26. 36-26 equals 10 inches. Looks like the lens center can be a maximum of 10 inches above the top of your screen.
Unfortunately I know very little about anamorphic lenses and potential distortion from being off center.
The Epson 5030 by comparison has 93% lens shift, which would allow almost 2 feet above.
Thanks David. I am going to pretend that I understand everything you just said. (hehe) The screen is actually a 120" scope if that change the 16:9 image much.
I am going to give AVS a call again tomorrow to work through the numbers once more.
Right now the lens hangs roughly @ 32" off of the ceiling with the setup I have now. It is 34.25" from the ceiling to the top of the screen edge.
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Mission accomplished: ceiling outlet moved. Wasn't that bad of a job. The oscillating tool cut the new hole like a hot knife through butter.

the old hole will fall under the ceiling panel. I will stuff some fluffy in the hole and put the panel over it.
I also got the speaker wall insulated as per the acoustical plan.
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I always preface my responses with "I'm no expert", but here goes:

Looks like the vertical lens shift for the 55es is spec'd for +/- 71%. I assume that is of the total image height, with 0% being the center of the screen. Your 125" wide scope screen will give a 52" 16:9 image, therfore 75% X 52" = 36 inches of available shift. 52/2 = 26. 36-26 equals 10 inches. Looks like the lens center can be a maximum of 10 inches above the top of your screen.
Unfortunately I know very little about anamorphic lenses and potential distortion from being off center.
The Epson 5030 by comparison has 93% lens shift, which would allow almost 2 feet above.
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Thanks David. I am going to pretend that I understand everything you just said. (hehe) The screen is actually a 120" scope if that change the 16:9 image much.
I am going to give AVS a call again tomorrow to work through the numbers once more.
Right now the lens hangs roughly @ 32" off of the ceiling with the setup I have now. It is 34.25" from the ceiling to the top of the screen edge.


with 120" wide scope screen is 120" x 51" you projector native format obviouslly is a 16.9 image you will setup that way first your image will be 51"H x 90" 5/8 W
once you have the 16.9 image dialed in and centered on the screen then when slide the anamprhic lense into place and have a 2.35 format move image on the screen is should then fill the screen. I have help with setting up the cinavista lense and does take some fine tuning but once you have the 2.35 image dialed in and if using the cinavista lens which stayes in place all the time it does not slide out of the way when watching a 16.9 movie what you end up doing is set the projector 4.3 image when watching a 16.9 movie and because then the lens in place it takes the 4.3 image to 16.9 if that make sence


72" inch sounds right ..it is probably above your second row of seating? when somone sits there head where clear it by a mile

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David's math is correct, although the stated vertical shift from the Sony is either 8" above or below the screen and the Epson 5030 is 22" of shift above or below.

The anamorphic lens should not add or fix and distortion found from any offshift. It simply expands the width of whatever image it is given by 1.33 times. If there is pixel distortion in the original 16:9 image it will not be worse or better with the anamorphic lens, only expanded.
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Thanks David, Rich & Tim for the info.


Rich, you are correct that the projector hangs above the 2nd row.
Sounds like the pole length is correct then...
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Mounted the projector so that I could marked out a spot to relocate the ceiling outlet, wow it hangs low. AV Science said I needed a 24" pole but now that it is up it seems like the project is going to sit too low, 72" above the riser. Using a Sony 55es and would that have enough shift in it to raise it up with out effecting the picture?


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WOW,

How high is your ceiling? 7', 8' 9, 10?

I'm at 10' and I'm also using the Sony 55ES. But, i am using an 11' 16:9 screen. No scope and no A lense. But still, my projector is mounted much closer to the ceiling. I also have a 12" soffit in the front of the room. I guess you have lower ceilings?

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WOW,

How high is your ceiling? 7', 8' 9, 10?

I'm at 10' and I'm also using the Sony 55ES. But, i am using an 11' 16:9 screen. No scope and no A lense. But still, my projector is mounted much closer to the ceiling. I also have a 12" soffit in the front of the room. I guess you have lower ceilings?

I know right? Ceiling is at 10', top of the screen sets 34" off of the ceiling with a 20" soffit in there. David, Rich and Tim all confirm that the projector height is correct and so does Mike @avs. It is directly over the 2nd row or at least it appears to be, I haven't brought a chair back into see.
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I know right? Ceiling is at 10', top of the screen sets 34" off of the ceiling with a 20" soffit in there. David, Rich and Tim all confirm that the projector height is correct and so does Mike @avs. It is directly over the 2nd row or at least it appears to be, I haven't brought a chair back into see.
Oh, I didn't know your screen top was that low. That probably explains it. I've owned 6 or 7 projectors since 1996. I have always mounted the projector so the lens is even with the top of the screen. The top of your screen is nearly 3' down from the ceiling.
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Acoustic Design Study

I thought I would post the acoustic design study for those who are interested. Nyal was and is very helpful in laying out a design and very accommodating in helping me stay within my budget.


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great build. i jut finished it. man all you guys using stone has me wanting to head out and start picking more blue stone for my build instead of wood on the bottom half. i'm in bluestone country here in pa. it's everywhere. i used it all over my house and property. i really really like the look you got going on along with rms8 you guys are starting a new trend.

great work. how is that red entrance for the room working out. i thought about it also with mine then canned it. now you got me rethinking that. my buddy would kill me after we built a landing for the new steps from upstairs to come in on riser level, if i asked him to trash out the landing and start reframing 2 walls.

cool job. good luck. I'm following along. . .

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great build. i jut finished it. man all you guys using stone has me wanting to head out and start picking more blue stone for my build instead of wood on the bottom half. i'm in bluestone country here in pa. it's everywhere. i used it all over my house and property. i really really like the look you got going on along with rms8 you guys are starting a new trend.

great work. how is that red entrance for the room working out. i thought about it also with mine then canned it. now you got me rethinking that. my buddy would kill me after we built a landing for the new steps from upstairs to come in on riser level, if i asked him to trash out the landing and start reframing 2 walls.

cool job. good luck. I'm following along. . .

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Thanks jimi. There's just something about stone that sets it apart from everything, I really like the look.
As far as the entrance, I like it so far. There had been questions about being to narrow but I have put all 3 chairs on the back row since the door has been in and I think it is going to work out fine. If I could design a room from scratch, I would of like to have had more stairs up to the riser and more down the side to the front row to give it more of a theater feel.
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Wall panels

Hung a few of the acoustical panels tonight in the middle. Really starting to take shape and starting to see the end. Spoke with Jeff Meier and set a date for the 17th of Dec for calibration

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one thing I was not impressed with was the packaging Kinetics' did or the lack there of. Couple of the panels had the corners bent over. I thought about sending them back but they are going to be in a box covered in fabric. I just thought they would of taken better care in their shipping methods. I know they can not control the carrier but they could prepare for how the carrier might handle their merchandise!
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Looking forward to have a new AVS acquaintance stop by the house on Saturday to help set up the lens on the projector and to check out the room. Good times!
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Tread/Theater name change

Officially named the theater. We did not know what we wanted to call it and now that we are near the finish we thought we would pick out a name form the list of names that we had been pondering.


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great build- we have stone on the front of the house and have been wanting to add it inside as well and this is a great use - what backing are you using behind the stone? it looks like you attached linacoustics to the wall then adhered the stone to that? -
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Looks like it is all coming together nicely.
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great build- we have stone on the front of the house and have been wanting to add it inside as well and this is a great use - what backing are you using behind the stone? it looks like you attached linacoustics to the wall then adhered the stone to that? -
I used 1/2" backer board. I needed to move the stone out a little so it did not appear to far under the ledge, which is 3.5" but still gives us a little overhang on the stone. The ledge will be flush with the 3.5" panels on the wall between each column.


A crappy Iphone pic but it shows the little bit of overhang we have.


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Looking great 24Changer!
Thanks David. I don't know if you saw my earlier post, however, Jeff M Is scheduled for the 17th of Dec. #excited !
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Thanks cocytus. Just finished hanging the acoustical treatments. I will post some pics.
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