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Started to hang the QuadFusors. There will be 3 rows of 3 covered in GoM Chocolate. FR701 2100 -793
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Finished installing the QuadFusors today and started on the 2-OC703 treatments that will go in front of them. 2 rows, 2x6, wrapped in GoM Chocolate fabric.


My thought of securing OC703to the ceiling is attach 8-2" blocks to the ceiling, corners and down the sides, attach 2 pieces of aluminum angle to the 1/4" backer that I glued the insulation to and screw them in place. I need to space them down 2" so that they will be the same depth as the 6" Quads
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My thought of securing OC703to the ceiling is attach 8-2" blocks to the ceiling, corners and down the sides, attach 2 pieces of aluminum angle to the 1/4" backer that I glued the insulation to and screw them in place. I need to space them down 2" so that they will be the same depth as the 6" Quads
Are you looking for installation suggestions? What's the aluminum angle for??? The plan is calling for the insulation side down, correct??

EDIT - Also any plan to paint those diffusers a flat black?

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Are you looking for installation suggestions? What's the aluminum angle for??? The plan is calling for the insulation side down, correct??
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Yes. Insulation side will be down. I glued them to a piece of 1/4" ply. Secure the angle to that and screw through the angle to the blocks. I thought the angle will also give the insulation some rigidity.

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Very nice work here!

Not sure if this was said somewhere so I appologize if it was, what is the distance between the riser and the sofit?
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Great build! Loving all the choices you have made. Definitely one of my favorites!

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Insulation side will be down. I glued them to a piece of 1/4" ply. Secure the angle to that and screw through the angle to the blocks. I thought the angle will also give the insulation some rigidity.
Your plan is very similar to the professional kits that are available for 'ceiling cloud' installations from ATS Acoustics at THIS LINK. I assume you will be fabric-wrapping the panels first before hanging.
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Very nice work here!

Not sure if this was said somewhere so I appologize if it was, what is the distance between the riser and the sofit?

thanks jaholbro20.
The height is 7'
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Your plan is very similar to the professional kits that are available for 'ceiling cloud' installations from ATS Acoustics at THIS LINK. I assume you will be fabric-wrapping the panels first before hanging.

yeah, I saw that kit. I just don't think that I could use a kit like that with out having my cloud hang lower than 2" off the ceiling. So I want to use the same concept and modify it a little
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Did you put your columns directly on the floor or they suspended a bit? If suspended how high did you suspend them?
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Did you put your columns directly on the floor or they suspended a bit? If suspended how high did you suspend them?
I left a 3/8" gap off the floor for carpet. I also had a 3/4"gap at the top. The crown covered the top gap. Plus it made it easier to slide the column in place.
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Put the last two treatments up on the ceiling in preparation for Jeff Meier on Wednesday. They will all come back down, need to paint the white QuadFusors black and the front OC703 needs to be covered.


Does any one know if it is alright to spray the OC703 black or does painting them effect their purpose?



I also made an adjustment to the surrounds. I had always been concerned with the speaker sitting to far into the column from day one and while Tim was over to help hang the projector, he mention that I should bring the surrounds out flush as far as I could to prevent the sound from being blocked by the columns. So I fab'ed up a little piece to help do that. The speakers are Volt 8's in the angled box and the angled wood block helps them stand up straight and bring the fairly flush with the front of the column.

Hopefully it will make a difference. We will know for sure on Wednesday!
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I'd probably just wrap them in fabric an use some spray glue. I'm pretty sure painting them won't really effect there acoustical properties.
How high off the ground are your surround speakers? If your planning on doing atmos later dolby recommends that they are at about ear height or just slightly higher.

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How high off the ground are your surround speakers? If your planning on doing atmos later dolby recommends that they are at about ear height or just slightly higher.

currently 64" to center.
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Fabric wrap with standard GOM FR701 and call it a day. No spray glue needed. You might - might - need a bit of black (or dark) muslin first so none of the yellow will show through the fabric since it will be in direct contact with the OC703.

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I also made an adjustment to the surrounds. I had always been concerned with the speaker sitting to far into the column from day one and while Tim was over to help hang the projector, he mention that I should bring the surrounds out flush as far as I could to prevent the sound from being blocked by the columns. So I fab'ed up a little piece to help do that. The speakers are Volt 10's in the angled box and the angled wood block helps them stand up straight and bring the fairly flush with the front of the column.
What you did will help considerably. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the recommendation was to keep 8-10 degrees of downward tilt vs. straight out like you have them now. I'm sure Jeff will steer you in the right direction on Wednesday.
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Fabric wrap with standard GOM FR701 and call it a day. No spray glue needed. You might - might - need a bit of black (or dark) muslin first so none of the yellow will show through the fabric since it will be in direct contact with the OC703..
I will pin a test piece of the OM Chocolate that I am using to is and see what it looks like


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What you did will help considerably. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the recommendation was to keep 8-10 degrees of downward tilt vs. straight out like you have them now. I'm sure Jeff will steer you in the right direction on Wednesday.

That will be easy to correct, the brackets are attached with screws and I can recut the angle.
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Jeff Meier with AccuCal was in home today for set up, it went well for the most part. The Sony 55 dialed in nicely on the 120" wide 2.35 Falcon screen. The 1099's for LCR hang right there with top end gear. Our set back was with the DIY 18" subs with the 7500DSP Peavey amp, we never got them working right and the Peavey is currently sitting in the corner.
I will share that Jeff was a impressed with the equipment, not that I chose great stuff but that it calibrated so nicely and looks and sounds amazing.. I will post more as the week goes on.
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Wow..how have I missed this build!?! Beautiful space!

Wish you were closer to Asheville. We are headed up this weekend to see the holiday decoration at the Biltmore.
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Wow..how have I missed this build!?! Beautiful space!

Wish you were closer to Asheville. We are headed up this weekend to see the holiday decoration at the Biltmore.

Thank you. Spaceman actually did all the concept drawings for me. A huge help. We still have a few more things on the punch list but we are super close to being done.... if you are ever really finished.
If you have time in your schedule , I am only 1.45 hrs from Biltmore. Is this your first time there? Are you staying at the Biltmore Inn? If so "the white pass" they give your for being a resident at The Inn" is the golden ticket if you are looking for preferential treatment. It took us a day and a half to figure out what treasure we possessed.
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Glad to hear Jeff was able to dial everything in for you, with the exception of the subs.

How did things turn out in the back of the room? On paper, things got a little tight back there. Any problems when your seats are reclined, either with space between the rows or when entering/exiting the theater with the back row reclined?

Have you picked the movie for opening night?
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What is up with the sub? Kind of strange that you were not able to calibrate it.
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Glad to hear Jeff was able to dial everything in for you, with the exception of the subs.

How did things turn out in the back of the room? On paper, things got a little tight back there. Any problems when your seats are reclined, either with space between the rows or when entering/exiting the theater with the back row reclined?

Have you picked the movie for opening night?
It actually turned you quite nice. The entry is not tight at all and I think that the door opening out to the hall make that space feel bigger than it is. Walking around the second row, even with the columns there, is roomy. I do not have any concerns with anyone bumping into them or the chairs and disrupting someone sitting there. As far as passing through the isle with the seat reclined, it is passable with the seat recline but not as much as you would like, but with only 3 seat to a row, I do not see that being a problem.


Not sure on a movie just yet. Maybe Fury, Lone Survivor, Bourne Ultimatum or 2 Guns. We are leaning more towards something we have seen and enjoyed so that we can compare the changes of the room to what it was.
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What is up with the sub? Kind of strange that you were not able to calibrate it.
I talked to the people at Peavey and they feel that a diode went out. They want me to send the amp back to the factory and they would fix it up. I feel better about that than thinking of the alternative...


not sure. I know nothing about how to set the settings on the Peavey amp and it appeared that Jeff also was out of his comfort zone, although I could be mistaken, but the subs appeared to be working and Jeff was turning dials on the amp and they shut off. After that we could no longer get a test tone to pass through the amp to the subs. I really do not know enough about wiring a driver or setting up an amp but I have a feeling I am about to if I do not want to scratch them buy something off the shelve.


Jeff recommended that I move on and purchase some 15" Rythmic Subs but I want to try and make what I have work.

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to give some detail on the sub set-up


Peavey IRP2 7500 DSP amp
2 - Dayton Audio UM18-22 18" Ultimax DVC Subwoofer 2 ohms Per Coil
Talent SXC Two-Way Balanced/Unbalanced Converter


Wired/connected as such
RCA out of the Integra 50.5
RCA into the converter
XLR out of the converter
XLR into the Peavey channel 1 & 2 respectively
Channel 1/2 out with LRX Speakon connectors to a 12/4 cable
12/4 into sub
Subs wired as such
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Ended up talking to Peavey today and they wanted me to send the amp back to them. They feel that there is a diode that has gone bad. The problem I described to them they had seen before. The down side is that they are closed for the rest of the year so it will be 2-3 weeks before the amp is returned. This is all probably a good thing, now I can focus on finishing up the room, I am not sure much more work would have been done. ha!
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Did you notice a big differance after he calibrated your projector an sound system?
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Did you notice a big differance after he calibrated your projector an sound system?
I did. Even though the Sony 55 comes fairly dialed in from the factory I was amazed on how much more image clarity Jeff could draw out of it. The projector is set on low lamp and the picture looks great, I see no need to run it the lamp on high, right now.
As far as the sound, besides having trouble with sub amp, the 1099's and the volt 8's fills the room very well . To me, the 1099's are clear and crisp, although I thought they sounded great to begin with, having someone that knows their way around a receiver to dial it all in was well worth it for me. Jeff's program/equipment was able to take multiple reading in the room and I do not think there will be a bad seat in the room, but front in center will always be the best! My concern, and I expressed this to Jeff is that when I get the Peavey amp back how do I reintroduce it to the room and get the sub levels right. He said that he would work with me over the phone and send me a disk to assist me in setting up and calibrating the subs. So we will see how that goes.

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I did. Even though the Sony 55 comes fairly dialed in from the factory I was amazed on how much more image clarity Jeff could draw out of it. The projector is set on low lamp and the picture looks great, I see no need to run it the lamp on high, right now.
As far as the sound, besides having trouble with sub amp, the 1099's and the volt 10's fills the room very well . To me, the 1099's are clear and crisp, although I thought they sounded great to begin with, having someone that knows their way around a receiver to dial it all in was well worth it for me. Jeff's program/equipment was able to take multiple reading in the room and I do not think there will be a bad seat in the room, but front in center will always be the best! We had let Audyssey run a set up and I listened and then he ran his set up and there was no comparison.
My concern, and I expressed this to Jeff is that when I get the Peavey amp back how do I reintroduce it to the room and get the sub levels right. He said that he would work with me over the phone and send me a disk to assist me in setting up and calibrating the subs. So we will see how that goes.
That's good to hear. I have been thinking of having him come an adjust mine this spring. I have heard nothing but good things about his work an this sounds like another good experience. How long did he take to do everything?
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I'm glad Peavy was a stand-up company in supporting their products and is helping you out. But like you said, too bad it wasn't functional during the calibration so the settings could be saved in the DSP and transitioned to the replacement. At least you can consider that as a mystery solved without sleuthing further!

Was Jeff recommending a MiniDSP Umik-1 calibrated microphone and using it with REW?
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How long did he take to do everything?
He was here 6.5 hrs. but a good 1.5 or more was trying to figure out what was going on with the subs. I think if it went as he expected it to, he would of been in & out in 5 hours or less.
Give him a call and speak with him on the phone about your system, that will give you a better feeling if it is right for you.
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