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I'm glad Peavy was a stand-up company in supporting their products and is helping you out. But like you said, too bad it wasn't functional during the calibration so the settings could be saved in the DSP and transitioned to the replacement. At least you can consider that as a mystery solved without sleuthing further!

Was Jeff recommending a MiniDSP Umik-1 calibrated microphone and using it with REW?
Not exactly sure, I was trying to write down what he saying and he said don't bother, call me and we will talk then, so I stopped writing but it was something a about a gold line disk and a meter. He said the he could send me some stuff and talk on the phone.
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The problem with the subwoofers in this theater was they did not have sufficient sound output. The distortion was high at 7db below reference. Amplifiers were clipping trying to deliver output at 7db below reference on source material. It was not an equalization problem. Tried everything we could with amplifiers to get more output, but it did not happen. The mini-DSP was used to implement high pass filters to remove all subsonic information.


It seemed odd for what was installed. I have seen more sound output from much less.
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The problem with the subwoofers in this theater was they did not have sufficient sound output. The distortion was high at 7db below reference. Amplifiers were clipping trying to deliver output at 7db below reference on source material. It was not an equalization problem. Tried everything we could with amplifiers to get more output, but it did not happen. The mini-DSP was used to implement high pass filters to remove all subsonic information.

It seemed odd for what was installed. I have seen more sound output from much less.
Is that measurement base on the Crown X1000 amps that we put in place of the Peavey? Or on the Peavey before it stop working?
The Crowns only put out 300W/channel
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Is that measurement base on the Crown X1000 amps that we put in place of the Peavey? Or on the Peavey before it stop working?
The Crowns only put out 300W/channel

That is with the Crowns. The Peavey was similarly low if not less.
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Not quite the grand opening, I guess you could say it was a soft opening. A double feature...


1st movie; Bourne Legacy


2nd movie; Casino Royale


Beautiful picture on both movies and a great experience with the 2.35 screen.


Need to set up the remote up!
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The problem with reading this thread from start to finish is that is seems so easy! I hope one day I could contemplate starting such a project... Thanks for all the documentation!
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The problem with reading this thread from start to finish is that is seems so easy! I hope one day I could contemplate starting such a project... Thanks for all the documentation!
Thank you for reading.
I recommend that if one day you do start a room, hire a company to draw up plans from start to finish. That was my biggest mistake taking on this project. Not knowing what and how each step along the way effects the previous step or the next is crucial...IMHO. I feel my room turned out ok - nice but there were some things that I did not need to do and some things I should have done. I thought it was "just copy what someone else is doing or had done" but that is really not the case. That is the best advice I think I could give you or anybody wanting do to take something like this on.
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Thank you for reading.
I recommend that if one day you do start a room, hire a company to draw up plans from start to finish. That was my biggest mistake taking on this project. Not knowing what and how each step along the way effects the previous step or the next is crucial...IMHO. I feel my room turned out ok - nice but there were some things that I did not need to do and some things I should have done. I thought it was "just copy what someone else is doing or had done" but that is really not the case. That is the best advice I think I could give you or anybody wanting do to take something like this on.
Heh, on the surface, I'd completely disagree with that advice. I'm a huge proponent of doing it all yourself. But... yeah, it all depends on what your goals are.

If all you want in the end is the finished room, then absolutely hire out all the design and possibly a decent amount of the construction. They'll do a far better job in a lot less time than somebody doing this all for the first time.

But if the journey matters as much as the destination, then just jump right in! You'll make mistake after mistake, yes, but you'll learn from each one. I wouldn't trade that for anything.
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Heh, on the surface, I'd completely disagree with that advice. I'm a huge proponent of doing it all yourself. But... yeah, it all depends on what your goals are.

If all you want in the end is the finished room, then absolutely hire out all the design and possibly a decent amount of the construction. They'll do a far better job in a lot less time than somebody doing this all for the first time.

But if the journey matters as much as the destination, then just jump right in! You'll make mistake after mistake, yes, but you'll learn from each one. I wouldn't trade that for anything.
Thank you for dropping in and for the post.
Either would I, but I know that this project would not have cost me as much as it did if I leaned on some else planning experience rather than trying to copy someone else's experience. I wasn't suggesting to hire out the whole job but rather just the planning and doing the rest yourself. But that's fine, Chevy/Ford, 220/221, apples and oranges, it is no different than talking to Nyal, Jeff and Dennis they all are not going to agree 100% on what a room needs or how it should be treated.
I enjoyed this project immensely and would do it again but like I said, I would have had someone chart my course and I can take it from there
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Either would I, but I know that this project would not have cost me as much as it did if I leaned on some else planning experience rather than trying to copy someone else's experience. I wasn't suggesting to hire out the whole job but rather just the planning and doing the rest yourself. But that's fine, Chevy/Ford, 220/221, apples and oranges, it is no different than talking to Nyal, Jeff and Dennis they all are not going to agree 100% on what a room needs or how it should be treated.
I enjoyed this project immensely and would do it again but like I said, I would have had someone chart my course and I can take it from there
The cost aspect is a very interesting and important part of all this. I tend to look at DIY as a way of saving a lot of money, but there's definitely a flip side to that. If you end up having to rip up and redo a lot of work, due to not doing it right the first time, then the upfront cost of getting a professional design (and then building it right the first time) can amount to a huge cost saving.

Hmm... maybe a way to create generic advice on the topic would be:

1. Are you willing to devote staggering amounts of time (FAR more than you likely think) to research how to build theaters?
2. Are you willing to live with some of the inevitable mistakes you make?

If the answer to either of those questions is "no", then get a professional plan. You're paying for the massive amounts of time that they've invested (so you don't have to) and you won't make those mistakes in the first place.

But if you answer "yes" to both of those questions, then getting a pro plan is likely overkill and you'll save quite a bit of money (not time) by forgoing that step.

This is getting a bit off topic, though I'll have to say that I love your theater. It has a very unique and classy look, that really stands out from the crowd!
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The cost aspect is a very interesting and important part of all this. I tend to look at DIY as a way of saving a lot of money, but there's definitely a flip side to that. If you end up having to rip up and redo a lot of work, due to not doing it right the first time, then the upfront cost of getting a professional design (and then building it right the first time) can amount to a huge cost saving.

Hmm... maybe a way to create generic advice on the topic would be:

1. Are you willing to devote staggering amounts of time (FAR more than you likely think) to research how to build theaters?
2. Are you willing to live with some of the inevitable mistakes you make?

If the answer to either of those questions is "no", then get a professional plan. You're paying for the massive amounts of time that they've invested (so you don't have to) and you won't make those mistakes in the first place.

But if you answer "yes" to both of those questions, then getting a pro plan is likely overkill and you'll save quite a bit of money (not time) by forgoing that step.

This is getting a bit off topic, though I'll have to say that I love your theater. It has a very unique and classy look, that really stands out from the crowd!
That is a good way to say it.


Thank you for the compliments on the room.
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Made a few changes to the treatments bases on some recommendation from Jeff. Removed the OC703 from the ceiling, moved the quad pyramids from the back of the room to the ceiling and staggered them with the quadfusors. While had some of them down, thought it as good idea to get them painted.

I also reduced the thickness of the Ultratouch on the walls down to 1 layer and the overall square footage, this really livened the room up. It was a noticeable difference.





AND started the panels to cover the wall treatments

these will be trimmed out in the color of the columns. Hopefully of the long holiday weekend, I can knock more of these fabric panels out.
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Gravity 3D was way cooler than I thought. I did not think 3D would be that great but I have to say that my wife and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Might be purchasing some more 3D movies. I do have a $100 gift card to BestBuy.
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Gravity 3D was way cooler than I thought. I did not think 3D would be that great but I have to say that my wife and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Might be purchasing some more 3D movies. I do have a $100 gift card to BestBuy.
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The hobbit movies, Pacific Rim, guardians of the galaxy, avatar, most of the newer animated movies are pretty good too.
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Panel are finished and hung. Great to have 5 days off to work on the more important things of life.

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Those panels came out nice.
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Those panels came out nice.
Thanks. They will need to be trimmed out still but I am going to move on to finishing the columns and close them up. Hopefully that will wrap this week with another long weekend.
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Where did you get your trim from? What crown is that? Need to start looking for some.
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Where did you get your trim from? What crown is that? Need to start looking for some.
Got it from Lowes
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Panels look nice.
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My wife and I had the great pleasure of getting together with @24Changer and his wife.... Mrs. @24Changer for a movie in the new theater. None of us had seen Guardians of the Galaxy, so I dropped by a local Redbox and brought a copy with me.

Simply put, we had a fantastic time and getting to watch a movie in this theater was a real treat!! The first thing you notice is the quality of the room and it looks even better in real life than I was able to capture on a crappy cell phone pic:



Every aspect showed great attention to detail. I especially liked the amber LED uplights which really light up the white crown molding and the removable rock pieces that revealed hidden receptacles. Everything was really, really well-done right down to the equipment rack.

My wife and I ended up sitting in the front row and were treated to a great audio and video experience. The 1099 LCRs sounded phenomenal as did the integration with the Volt 10 surrounds. The subs weren't quite up to their full potential because the 7500 watt Peavy amplifier is being serviced, but I never once thought that the subs with the Crowns sounded too thin. As a side-note, I have plans to go back once the Peavy amplifier has returned from factory repair to help with the sub integration - can't wait!

The Sony 55ES projector with the Panamorph UH-480 anamorphic lens and the 120" wide Falcon acoustically transparent screen was also a visual treat with great color, contrast and detail. You really couldn't ask for anything more!!

Unfortunately with a little TMcG at home we couldn't stay for long afterwards, but we are definitely looking forward to a return visit and a reciprocating invite to the Stonewater Cinema.
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My wife and I had the great pleasure of getting together with @24Changer and his wife.... Mrs. @24Changer for a movie in the new theater. None of us had seen Guardians of the Galaxy, so I dropped by a local Redbox and brought a copy with me.

Simply put, we had a fantastic time and getting to watch a movie in this theater was a real treat!! The first thing you notice is the quality of the room and it looks even better in real life than I was able to capture on a crappy cell phone pic:




Every aspect showed great attention to detail. I especially liked the amber LED uplights which really light up the white crown molding and the removable rock pieces that revealed hidden receptacles. Everything was really, really well-done right down to the equipment rack.

My wife and I ended up sitting in the front row and were treated to a great audio and video experience. The 1099 LCRs sounded phenomenal as did the integration with the Volt 10 surrounds. The subs weren't quite up to their full potential because the 7500 watt Peavy amplifier is being serviced, but I never once thought that the subs with the Crowns sounded too thin. As a side-note, I have plans to go back once the Peavy amplifier has returned from factory repair to help with the sub integration - can't wait!

The Sony 55ES projector with the Panamorph UH-480 anamorphic lens and the 120" wide Falcon acoustically transparent screen was also a visual treat with great color, contrast and detail. You really couldn't ask for anything more!!

Unfortunately with a little TMcG at home we couldn't stay for long afterwards, but we are definitely looking forward to a return visit and a reciprocating invite to the Stonewater Cinema.

Invitation received! It was our pleasure to host you and your wife. I thought GotG complimented the system well and a good choice, thanks picking the movie up.
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Moving on. Upholstered some of the trim bezels I have done for the bottom of the columns and attached. Still need to touch up the brad nail holes, but this will give an idea of the color contrast we went with.
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Panel are finished and hung. Great to have 5 days off to work on the more important things of life.

Wow...that's a very classy room.
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Wow...that's a very classy room.
thanks 7channel. Your room was an inspiration for me.
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Now I'm wishing I had done columns. Atmos recommends surrounds at or just above ear level. That's to create a separation from the ceiling speakers. Mine are mounted at 8 feet aiming down on a slant. So...I'll probably have to mount my ceiling speaker on my mural at 10 feet to get the recommended separation.

I hope you're enjoying your space. Next time I'm out that way, I'll have too hit you up for a demo.
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wow, very nice!!
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Thank you and welcome to AVS. Warning; this is a very expensive forum avoid temptation at all cost....good luck with that. lol
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Totally unrelated post, but here are those accessories I was talking about.....

http://4seating.com/seatcraft-theate...essory-pod.htm

http://4seating.com/seatcraft-theate...lass-caddy.htm

OR...

http://www.stargatecinema.com/home-t...re-holder.html (called a Yoebi) http://www.yoebi.com/

Oh, and not to forget the remote...
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/produc...e-home?crid=60 It will control your lights with the Insteon IR converter, but it is not native at this point.
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Sorry to read about your 7500....

I can vouch for amp.......running four UXL's on one Peavey 7500 gives more clean output than I can personally handle!

Don't have Peavey Dsp version, but use MiniDSP Open Drc for eq. I run XLR's from Marantz 8801 into Mini and XLR's out to Peavey 7500. I'm then running a pair of 12 AWG from each amp speaker terminal while running individual wires to each sub. The UXL's have 4 ohm voice coils so running 2 ohm loads to each speaker terminals on amp.

UXL's are capable of handling more watts than UM's so it doesn't make sense output your getting especially when having single sub on each amp terminal. Maybe your Av processor is not sending enough volts to amp?

Strange................I have unbelievable room rattling output.

Btw, TMcG must be the Grand Puba of visiting home theaters!
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