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Just signed a contract on a house with a very promising unfinished part of an otherwise finished basement. The room is about 36x15 and the current owner uses it as a boxing gym (a very nice one at that). Since he will be taking his gear and boxing isn't my thing, I am going to turn it into a dedicated home theater. I've done a quick rough draft 3D model of what I think the theater will look like and you can see that below. You can also see what the space looks like now.

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Okay - for real this time.

Over 5 years and 3 kids later, we've outgrown the house we purchased in 2014 and we signed contracts to build our new dream home, including a home theater. The video in the original post here still describes a basic version of the theater I'm looking to build. I'm meeting with the design company next week and want to have a list of things to tell them and I'm hoping to get some pointers or be told some things I may not be thinking of from the community here. Here is what I "think" (know?) I want:


  • Clean front of theater. I'd like to have an acoustically transparent screen with my Fronts, Center, and at least one (if both) of my two Rythmik FV15HP subs behind it. One of my favorite things growing up was going to the The Tuttleman IMAX® Theater at the Philadelphia Franklin Institute (steep stadium, wrap-around screen type) where they would have the lights on behind the screen pre-show in order for the audience to be able to see all the speaker hardware behind the screen. I've found one example of this
But what I'm going for is more like this. Does anyone know what screen would provide me with this effect?
  • Reusing my current speaker setup. I currently have my living room Home Theater using floor + bookshelf speakers for the fronts and various surrounds. I plan to reuse the fronts and center behind the screen but the surrounds and rear surrounds I plan to hang on the wall and angle them towards the listening positions. Anyone see issues with this
  • What dimensions should I go for? Our basement will need to have 2 offices, a large family/kids playroom, and my home theater. Below is the diagram that shows this space with some rough dimensions and some suggestions the builder puts forward, but this space can be designed any way we'd like. Anyone think this will be too small? What would the ideal size be for a dedicated theater space?



Some ideas I've thrown together:











Smaller details like the colors/carpet/etc. I have a good grasp on. Right now the above are really the things I'm trying to figure out. Thanks for any help/suggestions in advance.
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| Front/Rear Heights: 4x Polk T15 | In-Ceiling: 2x Micca M-8C | Subs: 2x Rythmik FV15HP |

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But what I'm going for is more like this. Does anyone know what screen would provide me with this effect?
First off, that pic is photoshopped. If you watch his vid, his lights are blue and they don't offer a view like that pic.

The Hahn theater used Stewart Filmscreen SnoMatte 100. The effect is much more impressive here, but the lights are bright white instead of blue. I think the key is really bright lights since everything behind the screen should be black.

http://keithyates.com/home-theater-o...-hahn-theater/

With regards to you build layouts, what are the dimensions of each space? What goals do you have for seating, screen size, and other factors that would influence you layout?

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First off, that pic is photoshopped. If you watch his vid, his lights are blue and they don't offer a view like that pic.

The Hahn theater used Stewart Filmscreen SnoMatte 100. The effect is much more impressive here, but the lights are bright white instead of blue. I think the key is really bright lights since everything behind the screen should be black.

http://keithyates.com/home-theater-o...-hahn-theater/

With regards to you build layouts, what are the dimensions of each space? What goals do you have for seating, screen size, and other factors that would influence you layout?

Love the Hahn theater. Forgot that he put that feature in there. Assuming the Stewart Filmscreen SnoMatte 100 will be far out of my budget, I'm wondering what other acoustically transparent screen material might give the same effect given bright white lights behind the screen. All? Or only specific ones?


I' looking at a 120" 16:9 screen size.



As far as dimensions, nothing is set in stone, so part of my question here is what a good size theater would be? I think two rows of 3 theater seats is what im shooting for with the second row being on a platform.

Here are rough estimates of what the sizes in my screen shots above would be..










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| Center: B&W CM Center 2 S2 Ed | Fronts: 2x B&W 684 S1s | Side Surrounds: 2x B&W 685 S1 |
| Front/Rear Heights: 4x Polk T15 | In-Ceiling: 2x Micca M-8C | Subs: 2x Rythmik FV15HP |

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Found these images that show basically what I mean by clean front of house. Just a screen with speakers behind it. Wall to wall if possible (other than bezel to absorb the perimeter light so as not to reflect on the sides and ceiling.






| 7.2.4 Photos (Updated Photos 1/5) | Frequency Response | Visual: LG 65” B7A OLED | Elite VMAX-2 Electric 120" | Optoma GT1080 Proj |
| AVR/Amps: Marantz SR-6011 9C | Audio Source AMP-100VS | iNuke 1000DSP; TTs: 4x AuraSound Pro |
| Center: B&W CM Center 2 S2 Ed | Fronts: 2x B&W 684 S1s | Side Surrounds: 2x B&W 685 S1 |
| Front/Rear Heights: 4x Polk T15 | In-Ceiling: 2x Micca M-8C | Subs: 2x Rythmik FV15HP |
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I gather that is a sump pump in the upper right hand corner?
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Not sure of where any HVAC sheet metal runs, but could you fit an entry door between the support post and the height of the stairs there? Steal a foot and make enough room for an acoustically transparent space??

I am assuming that is a sump pump and a riser could have a hatch section for access, and maintenance.

Would an offset wall in the office make each space feel a wee bit bigger?
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Not sure of where any HVAC sheet metal runs, but could you fit an entry door between the support post and the height of the stairs there? Steal a foot and make enough room for an acoustically transparent space??



I am assuming that is a sump pump and a riser could have a hatch section for access, and maintenance.



Would an offset wall in the office make each space feel a wee bit bigger?


Thanks for putting this together! First the idea with an offset wall for the office is fantastic. I’ll discuss with the builders. My measurements are off here. I went to the house and each office would be more like 11’ x 11’ not what’s shown.

The theater idea is interesting with using the whole space including where the sump is.

My issue with that is two fold. First there is the plumbing coming straight up from the sump. Perhaps i can have them put an elbow to bring that plumbing into the wall.

Second is the noise. Those motors could be loud when running though I don’t know if it will run or not when It rains. In my current home with a French drain, the sump pump runs every 30-60 seconds in heavy rain. I suppose i could do some hardcore sound proofing around it under the access to try to stave that off, but not sure how effective that can be with seats literally above that platform. I’ll also discuss with the builder. Thanks for putting the time in to think about these solutions and draw this up.

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The ejection line could be rerouted slightly. Not really a big project to do after the fact. Some fittings and the proper glue.

The access hatch could be beefed up mass-wise and have a gasket, so the pump noise might be very manageable, or completely eliminated.
You also might want an alarm on the sump pump, and/or a water back up pump system.

Other issues you might need to work around, include any waste line cleanouts, where they exit the basement, electrical cabinets, and often support columns, along with
HVAC and support joists.

If each office is 11x11', then how does affect the space above? But the correction of the mis-measurement is a really nice plus for you, if that upper space is even wider.
That might let you slide the whole theater forward and simply host the sump pump in an equipment room.
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Another thought is five seats enough? A nice couch or even five commercial rocker theater seats is something I am thinking for my next theater, and simply add in some
higher end features, like an embedded hush box in the back wall. The throw distances are not large so just about any speaker could play reference levels if the room's noise floor
is low.
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Another thought is five seats enough? A nice couch or even five commercial rocker theater seats is something I am thinking for my next theater, and simply add in some

higher end features, like an embedded hush box in the back wall. The throw distances are not large so just about any speaker could play reference levels if the room's noise floor

is low.


This will be a good alternative to show should the builder does not agree that finishing the space where the sump pump is is doable. Another thought I had is to just ask them if it’s possible to move the sump to the other side of the basement which would remain unfinished. I don’t see why not.

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Moving the sump pump into the lower utility space would be an excellent idea.
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