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Any ideas on what material you will use?
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Any ideas on what material you will use?
It will likely be some flavor of GoM or equivalent acoustically transparent material. Color is TBD.
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It will likely be some flavor of GoM or equivalent acoustically transparent material. Color is TBD.


Before you mess around with that you should get the room finished and send me measurements so I can finish off the back wall design and you can get that installed!


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Before you mess around with that you should get the room finished and send me measurements so I can finish off the back wall design and you can get that installed!


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Having spent the last two days reading through all the pages of this thread has been very inspirational. Given how many subs you are implementing in your design, have you thought about implementing an external DSP for the subs and using software like MSO (Multi Sub Optimizer) to tighten up the bass response? I recently did this for my theater as an augmentation to DIRAC and the improvements have been quite impressive.
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It will likely be some flavor of GoM or equivalent acoustically transparent material. Color is TBD.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you might go with black....
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My guess is HOT pink
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Having spent the last two days reading through all the pages of this thread has been very inspirational. Given how many subs you are implementing in your design, have you thought about implementing an external DSP for the subs and using software like MSO (Multi Sub Optimizer) to tighten up the bass response? I recently did this for my theater as an augmentation to DIRAC and the improvements have been quite impressive.
The sub array on the front wall is acting as a single bass...think "wall of bass". It is optimized (phase and time aligned) along with the other loudspeakers using the Trinnov. I don't see a real need for anything else.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you might go with black....
That would be a pretty good guess although a dark grey might also look pretty good. In any case, the reason I have begun focusing on aesthetics design is to determine what carpet to install (any thoughts would be welcome) and not to begin construction of the actual panels which I thought was obvious. I would rather take measurements for Nyal with the carpet installed rather than having him "allow" for it in his analysis. In any case I think the panels will have negligible effect on the measurements given that they will not be covering the treatments. So installing them later shouldn't matter.

BTW if I do go black then I will name my theater "The Event Horizon" where light cannot escape.
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Colors . . .

I've had good luck with deep /ruby /garnet / merlot reds which in low light tend to disappear

and dark grey walls, black low lustre wooden floor, deep red/ black patterned carpet

Back in my "Spirit of Diy" thread I made mention of the most non-reflective light absorbing black paint that unfortunately also seems to be made with "unobtainium"

no one knows how to get any . . .

I'll dig back and find the name . . .

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That would be a pretty good guess although a dark grey might also look pretty good. In any case, the reason I have begun focusing on aesthetics design is to determine what carpet to install (any thoughts would be welcome) and not to begin construction of the actual panels which I thought was obvious. I would rather take measurements for Nyal with the carpet installed rather than having him "allow" for it in his analysis. In any case I think the panels will have negligible effect on the measurements given that they will not be covering the treatments. So installing them later shouldn't matter.

BTW if I do go black then I will name my theater "The Event Horizon" where light cannot escape.

Haha! Nothing wrong with that. Can I still escape?

What did you have in mind (for carpet)? Do you want a design or do you want as dark black as possible? Do you want soft or durable?


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Back in my "Spirit of Diy" thread I made mention of the most non-reflective light absorbing black paint that unfortunately also seems to be made with "unobtainium"
I read about Vantablack some time ago, however, you hit the nail on the head...unobtainium.
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What did you have in mind (for carpet)? Do you want a design or do you want as dark black as possible? Do you want soft or durable?
I definitely want it dark in the proximity around the screen. My main concern with a really dark carpet overall is being able to see where you are walking. So maybe a dark carpet (maybe black) with some minimal pattern might work.

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I haven't read the whole thing but probably should.

p.s. I really miss the feature where you could see all the images on a thread without having to go through each page.
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p.s. I really miss the feature where you could see all the images on a thread without having to go through each page.
I would LOVE to have that feature

Also I'm all for more black, any other color would seem like a performance compromise
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p.s. I really miss the feature where you could see all the images on a thread without having to go through each page.
If you look at the thread's URL, you see that it starts with the number "1946625". Copy the thread URL into Google and delete everything after the number. Go to the front of the URL and insert "[/img] site:" before the URL. Hit enter or click the search icon. Select Images in Google search. You are telling Google that you specifically want to search for pictures in this thread that have the /IMG tag. You will now see most of the pictures in the thread. Even though some pictures have been uploaded to AVS, I think they still don't show up in Google search. I'm not sure why. If you leave off the [/img] tag in the search, you get even fewer results.

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I also vote black. You've gone this far with it, why stray from it now?
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something less than black would emphasize the acoustic treatments and unique design of the space. Like a patterned gray. If the room is a black hole it is hard to discern the details.
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I also realized that I hadn't rerun calibration since installing the bulk of the acoustic treatments. Re-calibration made a significant improvement.
If I am following correctly, the first pic below shows the room after acoustic treatments, but before recal. Did the treatments alone improve the things? I know it is subjective, but would you characterize the improvement from the treatments as 'significant' or 'subtle' ?

Did you save your measurements from your original Optimizer run? That before & after Optimizer run would show how your room measured before acoustic treatments. How bad was the room to begin with and were there things that the Trinnov was unable to correct?

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If I am following correctly, the first pic below shows the room after acoustic treatments, but before recal.
Correct.

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Did the treatments alone improve the things? I know it is subjective, but would you characterize the improvement from the treatments as 'significant' or 'subtle' ?
Yes. Nyal suggested I listen to the changes as I installed the treatments. Indeed, they were quite noticeable. It's as though the treatments turn your room into a surround processor to quote Sanjay who also heard the room at various stages.

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Did you save your measurements from your original Optimizer run? That before & after Optimizer run would show how your room measured before acoustic treatments. How bad was the room to begin with and were there things that the Trinnov was unable to correct?
I did compare the "befores" and there were some changes albeit more subtle than I would have imagined. The sound stage and imaging were greatly improved anectdotally.
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Looks like Ivan does know what he is talking about.

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Looks like Ivan does know what he is talking about.



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Madshi himself has confirmed that sli has no effect on madvr, nor when you logically think about it could it possibly ken any difference.

As always, buy the best card you can before you do sli, only if it doesn't meet your requirements do you go for sli. This obviously doesn't apply for awesome deals and when you only play AAA games.

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Carpet & unRaid server/HTPC

I have decided on this black carpet. I have my carpet crew coming by this weekend.

On another note, I have completed my unRaid server/HTPC. See link for details.





It is an unraid server with Windows 10 running virtually. I have jriver (music), kodi (movies), madVR and MPC-BE installed. Shout out and thanks go to @ivanpino for his assistance. Image quality on 1080p material is near 4K quality to my eyes...very impressed.
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It is an unraid server with Windows 10 running virtually. I have jriver (music), kodi (movies), madVR and MPC-BE installed. Shout out and thanks go to @ivanpino for his assistance. Image quality on 1080p material is near 4K quality to my eyes...very impressed.
Thank you Mike for letting me take part.
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Carpet is being installed in about a week.

Carpet is Masland style:Hemingway, pattern:9426, color:899 Deep Sea

Wall fabric is GoM Quadrille 4701 Opus 1012



I will be putting Joanne's velvet about 3 feet out from the screen on both walls and ceiling.
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Carpet is being installed in about a week.

Carpet is Masland style:Hemingway, pattern:9426, color:899 Deep Sea

Wall fabric is GoM Quadrille 4701 Opus 1012



I will be putting Joanne's velvet about 3 feet out from the screen on both walls and ceiling.
What is that fabric on the far right? Is that the covering of a grill of some sort?
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What is that fabric on the far right? Is that the covering of a grill of some sort?
The object on the right is a Geofusor (diffuser) that has been painted barbecue black (like those already installed) for comparison. All the items in the photo are actually much darker than shown.

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Carpet installed

Carpet has been installed. The improvement on the screen has been dramatic. It now floats in blackness even with the door unpainted. Yes, that will be happening soon. I left space underneath the steps to install LED strip lights. I have been looking at the Philips HUE system. I will need an extension in order to light the steps on both sides.





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