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I installed HUE led strip lights under the steps. Shout out to Jeff ( @BIGmouthinDC ) for his guidance during the step building process.
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Is there a thread that you followed to build the steps? I'm at that point in my build and would really appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction!
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Is there a thread that you followed to build the steps? I'm at that point in my build and would really appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction!
Here is Jeff's @BIGmouthinDC "Big Steps" thread. The pertinent part for me was leaving a 2.5" overhang for the LED light strips. Just make sure and do the math on finished step dimensions (side profile) BEFORE you start building.
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Wow, I just went through your entire build log over the last couple days, this is impressive and very beautiful, I hope one day I will be fortunate to be able to see it in person since you are also in LA. I love projects like this and seeing them come together. Amazing work. Definitely another build thread to save as inspiration for my future build.
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Very nice theater. SBA is really tempting. A wall of 17x13 I get a 6 x 5 array. 520x390cm. Sub 50cm from the sidewall, floor and ceiling then 100cm between each sub. Am I calculating that correct?

Listening impressions yet?
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Very nice theater. SBA is really tempting. A wall of 17x13 I get a 6 x 5 array. 520x390cm. Sub 50cm from the sidewall, floor and ceiling then 100cm between each sub. Am I calculating that correct?
All measurements are centered on the loudspeakers for a 6x5 array. Horizontal: 2.8' between speakers and 1.4' to sidewalls. Vertical: 2.6' between speakers and 1.3' between floor/ceiling. The effective cutoff frequency for the formation of the planar wave is determined by the equation found here.

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Very nice theater. SBA is really tempting. A wall of 17x13 I get a 6 x 5 array. 520x390cm. Sub 50cm from the sidewall, floor and ceiling then 100cm between each sub. Am I calculating that correct?
For 6 horizontal, each driver at 1/12, 3/12, 5/12, etc., of room width. For 5 vertical, each driver at 1/10, 3/10, 5/10, etc., of room height. Waste of resources to use that many (30) drivers since you'll be cancelling width modes up to 200Hz and height modes up to 217Hz even though those subwoofer drivers will likely be crossed over way below those frequencies and no longer taking advantage of the mode cancelling. A 4x3 array would cancel width & height modes up to around 130Hz. With the money saved, you could get larger and/or better subwoofer drivers.

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I agree with what Sanjay says above and that is why I included the cutoff frequency equation fc for you. For a minimum effective array, make sure fc is equal to or just larger than your subwoofer crossover frequency for both horizontal and vertical. It won't hurt anything to have that many drivers and indeed swept volume not driver size is really the key parametric for bass performance, however, more drivers equals more money and construction effort. One should also consider the mechanical load on the front wall from that many motors operating in the same orientation.

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Grand Opening

Just for the record, I held my first get together last month. I still have a number of items to complete but felt the theater was close enough to being finished to go ahead with it. Many thanks to Ivan for his assistance. I think we had roughly about 40 people show up, many of them new faces that hadn't participated in previous area events. All I can say is that it was a blast and I plan to hold another event at some point.
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Acoustic Design by Nyal Mellor

Here is the acoustic design performed by Nyal. I consider it to be one of the most value added things I did for the build. Hearing the room change as I added the treatments was a revelation. The walls just seem to disappear. He was able to take into account SBA nature of my build and additional criteria without being overly prescriptive. I am glad I did not try to tackle this on my own (saved a lot of time) and highly recommend his services.











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I have very quickly flicked through the pages on this thread/build and I can honestly say this particular setup takes the biscuit, I've never seen or heard of half the stuff going in here. And I was arguing whether I have a need for 2 subs instead of 1.

Would it rude of me to ask a rough ballpark figure as to how much you have spent, if only to convince the wife to allow me to spend more.
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I have very quickly flicked through the pages on this thread/build and I can honestly say this particular setup takes the biscuit, I've never seen or heard of half the stuff going in here. And I was arguing whether I have a need for 2 subs instead of 1.

Would it rude of me to ask a rough ballpark figure as to how much you have spent, if only to convince the wife to allow me to spend more.
Assuming that an SBA was not in the cards, I would go for 2 subs or more to even out the bass response using the multiple sub optimization technique. I would say I have spent somewhere in the ball park of $60K not counting the construction of the addition.
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@mikela , Isco IIIL is a nice lens indeed. I love the sharpness it provides, but you have to remember to zoom in a bit to offset the barrel roll effect of the spherical lens on a flat screen (unless your's is curved). Out of curiosity, was there a problem with the vertical shift of the JVC that it had to be mounted with such a long mounting pole? Also, if you have a scope screen, you should not have to move the lens for 16:9; rather your projector's lens memory will work just fine. Just remember to check your mounting screws once a week for the first few weeks to ensure nothing is getting loose on you; and keep the lens covered. Having owned a few expensive professional lenses, there is nothing worse than a scratch or a piece of lint that has worked its' way in and now you're stuck. I also bought a lens air blower that I use (on both sides) to keep the dust off of mine.
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Assuming that an SBA was not in the cards, I would go for 2 subs or more to even out the bass response using the multiple sub optimization technique.
My room is only 1450 cubic foot so not huge. Will try one and see how I go but might well add another at some point.

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I would say I have spent somewhere in the ball park of $60K not counting the construction of the addition.
I like your style, though if I spent that on mine the wife would divorce me...........

.......... on second thoughts where's my cheque book.
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@mikela , Isco IIIL is a nice lens indeed. I love the sharpness it provides, but you have to remember to zoom in a bit to offset the barrel roll effect of the spherical lens on a flat screen (unless your's is curved). Out of curiosity, was there a problem with the vertical shift of the JVC that it had to be mounted with such a long mounting pole?
The JVC is aligned with the top of the screen. No problem with vertical alignment. The mounting pole is adjustable so it is possible to move it up although I don't really feel a need to do so.

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Also, if you have a scope screen, you should not have to move the lens for 16:9; rather your projector's lens memory will work just fine.
I had been using JVC's zoom without the lens. I prefer not having to rescale 16:9 and the speed of Cineslide makes transitions fast. It also eliminates the need to occasionally refocus the JVC lens due to multiple zooms.

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Just remember to check your mounting screws once a week for the first few weeks to ensure nothing is getting loose on you; and keep the lens covered. Having owned a few expensive professional lenses, there is nothing worse than a scratch or a piece of lint that has worked its' way in and now you're stuck. I also bought a lens air blower that I use (on both sides) to keep the dust off of mine.
Good call on checking mounting screws. Right now everything is rock solid. Keeping the lens covered during non use is essential. I'm going to have to fabricate something. I can use the original lens cover for the front but the back lens is now part of the fixture.

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The JVC is aligned with the top of the screen. No problem with vertical alignment. The mounting pole is adjustable so it is possible to move it up although I don't really feel a need to do so.



I had been using JVC's zoom without the lens. I prefer not having to rescale 16:9 and the speed of Cineslide makes transitions fast. It also eliminates the need to occasionally refocus the JVC lens due to multiple zooms.



Good call on checking mounting screws. Right now everything is rock solid. Keeping the lens covered during non use is essential. I'm going to have to fabricate something. I can use the original lens cover for the front but the back lens is now part of the fixture.
Tall ceiling...got it. With respect to using the Cineslide, I am a bit confused. A 16:9 image on a 2.35 screen produces black bars on the sides. An anmorphic lens will eliminate that by stretching it 1.33x in this case. If you move the lens out of the way, then is the Lumagen Pro scaling for you to fill the screen or are you OK with the black bars on the side? What am I missing here?

As for covering the back of the lens, I don't have a good practical solution either. It is prone to the same pitfalls as the front, but because of its' proximity to the main lens, placing and removing a cover is really not practical. I would be interested in what you final solution becomes.
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With respect to using the Cineslide, I am a bit confused. A 16:9 image on a 2.35 screen produces black bars on the sides. An anmorphic lens will eliminate that by stretching it 1.33x in this case. If you move the lens out of the way, then is the Lumagen Pro scaling for you to fill the screen or are you OK with the black bars on the side? What am I missing here?
For 16:9 material, I have black bars on both sides as one would expect. No AL in the path. However, the Lumagen will automatically vertically stretch 2.35 material eliminating the black bars on top and bottom while still in 16:9 mode. The AL is then slid in the path which stretches the image to the full width of the 2.35 screen restoring the correct aspect ratio. This allows the use of ALL the pixels (for 2.35 material) from the 16:9 JVC imaging panel increasing the apparent resolution and brightness.

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I am finally nearing the finish line. The rear wall has been out of sight and out of mind...but no more. I had some sheet metal reducers fabricated to transition from the vent grills to 6" rounds for the returns. I will remove the diffusers from the 2x2's and stretch black fabric across the entire wall and then replace the diffusers.





I also installed an overhead light after being shamed by fellow members for not having one.

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Nice, so you decided to not hide the nice looking sound treatment now?
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If those metal air scoops cause any issues you can add Dynamat extreme to the outsides and some pieces of Linacoustic to the insides.
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Nice, so you decided to not hide the nice looking sound treatment now?
Yes, I'm sticking with the form follows function theme.
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If those metal air scoops cause any issues you can add Dynamat extreme to the outsides and some pieces of Linacoustic to the insides.
When I put my ear right up to the vent, I do hear a very slight wind noise with the inline fan at full tilt. As soon as I move away it disappears. Splitting the returns and using the riser in a similar way as a joist muffler and locating the inline fan under the crawl space outside the foot print of the theater has virtually eliminated any mechanical noise.
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Really Nice cant wait to see the finished room!
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When I put my ear right up to the vent, I do hear a very slight wind noise with the inline fan at full tilt. As soon as I move away it disappears. Splitting the returns and using the riser in a similar way as a joist muffler and locating the inline fan under the crawl space outside the foot print of the theater has virtually eliminated any mechanical noise.
I was thinking more of noise excited by your sound system.
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I was thinking more of noise excited by your sound system.
I'll keep your advice in mind in case it becomes a problem or my OCD kicks in...whichever occurs first.
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Beautiful work sir, only a bit of white ceiling left to sort out.
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Wow, at first I was a sceptic of your open, minimalist design; but that is really spectacular looking!

Well done Sir, congratulations!
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