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Theater Completed on May 13th 2016, started in Oct 2015 100% DIY except the carpet


Hi everyone,

So I built my first theater in Aug 2004

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-de...tion-pics.html Old thread and the pics will not download

Now I have just contracted a builder for my new home and the digging will begin mid to late June 2015 and hopefully be done by Feb 1st-14th 2016(new est Feb 29th)

I attached a pic of my 1st theater(friend in the pic) and the plans for the new theater foot print.(ignore the seat set-up, that is the builder putting them there)

Old Theater 24x15x7'10"
New Theater 25'5"x18'3"x11' Plus a 13'x12'x 9' back entrance/eating area
Radiate heating in the floor

Old Theater List:
Epson 5030UB
SVS 900W Sub
Rocket by onix mains
Yamaha Center
AVS123 speakers & channel set up
OPPO 83 Blu ray player
Yamaha Z9 Receiver(Flawless for 11 years of pounding)
150" 2.35:1 Screen(Monoprice)

New Equipment list
180w(195") curved Seymour XD Center 2.37:1
8802A Marantz Pre-amp
7900 Outlaw 7 - 300W amp & Outlaw 5000 5 x 125w
HTPC with MadVR (All the thanks goes to Nick aka Sirmasters and Tony aka SOWK) without them , the HTPC would never made it to my system
JVC RS600--- Replaced with a BenQ LK970 with UH480 A-lens/Slide
7.2.4Set up
3 MTM210's from PSA
8 MT-110SR's from PSA
and 2 T-18 subs with the newer amps again from PSA (Thanks Tom for all your help)

5 seats in the 1st row, 5 seats in the 2nd row and decided to put 2 in the 3rd row The 2nd row will be 12" higher than the front seats and since had the theater lowered 24" from the rest of the basement. That will work out perfect for the 3rd row and 12" higher then the 2nd row


Added DIY Bass traps 17x17x24 by 9ft high and side acoustical panels (2'x4'x4")


After SOWK and Sirmaster Calibrated my RS600 in May 2019











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Ah, Theater II, a chance to learn from all the mistakes made in Theater I! At this stage I would recommend NOT focusing on equipment and instead working on the all important layout and design of the theater. The equipment should be the last thing you think about.
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I agree 100%, Just a walk down future lane

The equipment changes fast and my new theater will not be open for business for at least 13-15 months from now. I will go full bore on it, once I move in. I finished my first theater from scratch/empty basement to opening night in 30 days(lost 10 lbs doing it haha). I started 2 days after moving in. But this one will be much more detailed and I will take as much time as needed(guessing 6-8 months)
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I will be stepping up 1' from the 9' lower level height to make the eating/entrance area 8' then down to the 11' Theater.
Hi Steve!

Wondering why you have a 2' step down? Could this room be under the garage by chance? I have 10' ceilings in my basement. In order to maintain that same 10' ceiling in the under-garage home theater, the theater room was dug down 2 more feet. This caused the foyer to the HT room to have a 12' ceiling !

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Yes it is! It almost has double the volume as my first theater and will give me plenty of height to create the ceiling.

Hey Rob I enjoying looking at your build. Awesome details!!! I would like to pic your brain about some of the electronic set up(media room stuff). It is not under
the garage. I did want to put it there, but since the home ballooned to a 3065sq ft Ranch with the same in the walkout lower level and a 447sq ft future bonus room over the garage(to be build by me after the theater of course ). So the home is way large enough without added 1147more sq ft(that is the garage size lol)

We liked the look of 9' ceiling in the basement, but also wanted more height for the theater, so I just dropped that area 2'. I am going up 1' at the entrance for 2 reasons. First, so I can do a 2 step partial moon shape at the entrance with the sliding (barn style) doors and then for a more sloping effect from 8' to 11' for the theater. I also want the back seats from 24 to most likely 30" higher than the front. I have 12" now and it just is not enough(IMO).

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And the digging has begun. Only 8 months to go haha

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We're gonna need to see some blue masking tape on that dirt wall over there...
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Walls are next, then some blue tape haha!!

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Walls are up and being poured today








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Theater will be in the back right corner



Close up of theater(maybe too close lol) Dimensions 25.5' deep x 18'3" wide x 11' high

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Seeing progress on a new build is SOOO exciting. Looking great!

During the ~ year it took to build our home (that was roughly 2 years ago) I must have changed my HT design a dozen times. The basic layout has always remained the same, but many features were tweaked along the way. The basic shape came about long before the ground was broken. We spent a year just getting the design of the home finalized.

Have you already finalized your future HT room?

Any pics of concepts/drawings you can share? Have you already thought about materials for the inside of the room (basic drywall vs. stone vs. wood vs......)? This is such an exciting time for you!

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Morning


It is exciting and stressful, but all in all fun!


As for the theater, I do have it all in my head at the moment. On my first theater, it was the same way.


Just like you said, it will change and change again and again before I even start.


At the moment I want to put a coffered type ceiling with soffits, crown molding and some type of accent lights.


I will most likely not put any poly coating on the wood, I would not want any reflections. I have none in my old theater and even 11 years later, the oak looks good with just a stain on in and no clear coat.


I will go with a darker carpet(grey or the like). The walls I would also like the nice wood column look, but in between I will put some type of fabric up. I will go with the 7.2.4 Atmos type set up.


As for were my electronics will go, I will probably put them in that little bump out part. I would like to have them in a separate room all together, but the runs would be pretty long. So I might build it into the wall and then have some type of paneling or fabric door covering it up while watching a movie. I have not figured that out yet.


I will go for sure with blacks, greys and maybe some deeper reds.


I will also sounds proof the room more than my first theater. Might go with clips/double drywall/GG/etc. 60% of the walls have concrete behind, so not sure how much sounds proofing you need for them. I would assume not as much, but I might be wrong.


The 2 row of seats will be 18-24" higher than the first row, since I did 10" last time and that is just not near enough and having 11' ceilings this time, give me a lot more options.


I will put a 2ft false wall in the front to put my speakers behind, I am leaning toward a Falcon screen and he said he could custom build one in the 180" range(2.35/2.40:1) and then have side masking.


As for the projector, I like the Sims2 Sirio at the moment, but I know that will change, since I wont be buying it until about this time next year.


I know a lot of people on this site will say "do not go to big", 40 Deg viewing angle etc, but after 11 years with my theater and having a 150" 2.35:1 screen at 15ft back, a 180-190" 16' back(where my head will be ) with the 11' walls and 3 extra feet wide, will fit really well(for me anyway haha)
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As for the projector, I like the Sims2 Sirio at the moment, but I know that will change, since I wont be buying it until about this time next year.


I know a lot of people on this site will say "do not go to big", 40 Deg viewing angle etc, but after 11 years with my theater and having a 150" 2.35:1 screen at 15ft back, a 180-190" 16' back(where my head will be ) with the 11' walls and 3 extra feet wide, will fit really well(for me anyway haha)

Is that a diagonal measurement? My screen is an 11 foot wide 16x9 screen. I am using a Sony with 1700 output. I wouldn't want to go any bigger for fear of an image leaning on the dim side. If you get a screen that big, just keep in mind you're going to need a projector with a ton of output just to keep the image from being too dim. I don't think one can really go TOO BIG on the screen from a viewing perspective, at least in the majority of residential environments. I just think that going too big starts to bump you up in projector price.

Do you have any elevation pics of what your home will look like ?


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Is that a diagonal measurement?

Do you have any elevation pics of what your home will look like ?


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Yes that is a diagonal measurement. I know I use a 5030UB now for the 150"(zoomed out to a 170ish to get rid of the black lines) and in dynamic mode it looks great(yes you do lose the black levels a bit), but I know once I cross the 160" mark I will need to start pushing 4000+ lumen projectors. I don't want to spend a ton on a projector, but I have a budget for the projector in the 15K- max 20K range. I do realize I will lose contrast, but it is a trade off for a bright large image . The Sirio pushes 7000 lumens(well that what they say it does on paper lol) and about 8,000 to 1 contrast. I will have to head to Chicago next year and go to see some high end shops to see some images in person, before I buy anything with that type price tag.


My whole budget is about 60K. No Boat, Motorcycle, etc for me. My theater is my hobby.
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Well, with that budget for a projector, you should have zero problems finding something for that size screen!!!

House looks beautiful! Love the 12/12 pitch. Was that your choice or a mandate? Ours was mandated by HOA, but I would have had the architect do it anyway when we were designing our home. The lot looks stellar too!


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I hope not(projector). then I have to figure out if I will zoom it or scope it, but then that is another 4-6K for lens and sled. Plus I need to read up on the A-lens more to see if they work at 24ft back without any pin cushion effect.


I would love to get a projector that would do scope without a lens, but the super lumis at 50-60K is not something I can afford.


Yes I wanted the 12/12 pitch and with 14ft ceiling in the great room and having a bonus room above the garage (which I have to finish also, AFTER the theater haha), I think the ceiling had to be that pitch.


Yes I love the land I bought. it is 4.18 acres and it is the highest point of all the lots. it is 40ft-60ft higher then the other end of the sub division and you can see for miles. Hench the reason for the bonus room above the garage to watch the sunsets and the view.


You house is really nice! and love your theater. Yours is 2 1/2 ft wider, and 1.5 ft longer. That extra width would be nice. How long did it take you from start to finish on the home? and then the theater?


I see we are not that far apart distance wise. It only takes me 80ish mins to get to Chicago or South Barrington.
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I hope not(projector). then I have to figure out if I will zoom it or scope it, but then that is another 4-6K for lens and sled. Plus I need to read up on the A-lens more to see if they work at 24ft back without any pin cushion effect.
I would love to get a projector that would do scope without a lens, but the super lumis at 50-60K is not something I can afford.
Yes I wanted the 12/12 pitch and with 14ft ceiling in the great room and having a bonus room above the garage (which I have to finish also, AFTER the theater haha), I think the ceiling had to be that pitch.
Yes I love the land I bought. it is 4.18 acres and it is the highest point of all the lots. it is 40ft-60ft higher then the other end of the sub division and you can see for miles. Hench the reason for the bonus room above the garage to watch the sunsets and the view.
You house is really nice! and love your theater. Yours is 2 1/2 ft wider, and 1.5 ft longer. That extra width would be nice. How long did it take you from start to finish on the home? and then the theater?
I see we are not that far apart distance wise. It only takes me 80ish mins to get to Chicago or South Barrington.

We started looking for lots and found this one with a small lake behind it (community is called Prairie Lakes). We then started looking at custom home builders/GC's. Once we chose one, we started giving them our preferences of what we wanted the home to look like (inside and out). Searching out a lot was maybe 6 months. Designing the home was about a full year and breaking ground to closing was maybe 10 months.

I technically started on finishing the basement before the home was complete. I had all the lumber delivered and stored in the basement before the yard was finished. We have a walk-up basement (the doors going outside are met with 7 stairs) so the delivery truck just drove around to the back right up to the stairs. We closed in July of 2013 and I started framing the following month. The first floor is completely open concept with the ceiling going 20ft up.

Your HT room is going to be so sweet with those 11' ceilings ! I would have loved to have gone another foot (heck, I would have shot for 12 if I could have), but 10 foot was the highest we were going to get. Since the HT room is under a garage, it had to be 2ft deeper than the rest of the basement in order to have 10' ceilings. We couldn't dig any deeper due to the water table. Something you don't realize since going deeper for a spancrete room is not the norm. The rest of the basement is 10'.

Wish you all the luck with your home and HT build! It's going to be so beautiful!


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Awesome height in your great room!!


I asked about 12' for the theater and the builder started to get worried about needing stairs or railing around a 3' drop for occupancy haha. I also wanted 10' in the basement, but 9' will work well now that I see it in person. I do not have to worry about water at all, being on top of the hill Last night I finally got my first look of what 11' ceiling feel like(and the whole room volume in general), since the floor joists just got put in. It is for sure a very nice size room. My fiancé laughed that it's almost bigger than our great room(it's not, the great room is 21x21x14 haha).





I will do the same thing, since it is a walkout. Ill have them deliver lots of wood right to the lower level door after we move in. What I have been told is the municipality frowns on letting us have anything on/in the property until move in time, but we will see as time moves on.

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One last movie night in my old home. Should be closing on that home the first part of Aug! Then goodbye to having a theater for about a year


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....Then goodbye to having a theater for about a year
Been there. It's tough. I had the luxury of staying in our previous home until the new home was completed. So I was out of a HT room until I built the new one. At first I simply wouldn't watch any new releases at all until I could get to watch them in the new HT which would be another world from our prior HT (which was still a fantastic room). That didn't sit well with the family.

When the home was being built, I ran Cat6/RG6/speaker wire all over. I wired the family room (the thumb in my prior post) for 5.1. So I purchased a 5.1 speaker set, an entry level Denon, a bare bones bluray and mounted a 60" above the fireplace. This was totally fine with them. It took me a while, but I eventually got used to the mini-system. Simply could NOT wait until the new room was ready for watching movies and listening to music.

My room has now been complete since about March 2015. There are quite a few minor things I still need to do, but nothing too urgent. For example, I still need to wire in the chair mounted transducers for the 2nd row. I also need to calibrate the 2nd row side surrounds. There are a few rattles from vent covers that need to be addressed, but since they are only noticeable on soundtracks where there is a lot of base with no other sounds.....they stay low on the list. Guess we're too busy making up for lost time

You can take advantage of this down time tweaking your design and researching ALL SORTS of stuff for the room (or simply in general).

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PS: you "old" HT looks pretty sweet already!
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I told my fiancé that about not watching any movies and she laughed.


I will also run a ton of cables in the new home. I will have RG6/Cat 6 cable in every room to hardwire all the TV's. I will also run cat 6 for 3 access points through out the main floor. I want to put in an intercom/Mp3/Music system in if I have time too.


As I was in the basement looking at the rock haha, I think I will be able to make a 4x4 room right next to the stairs coming into the lower level and put a small door on the back. So that the equipment will be facing the theater, but in the entrance/eating area of the theater. Then I would be able to cool that room off with venting and AC and also isolate the sound. It will just be big enough for the equipment rack and the door will open from the back.



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We're gonna need to see some blue masking tape on that dirt wall over there...
And for the blue tape . I masked out a 199" 2.35:1. The height is probably not correct, since there will be 2" of foam and 3" of cement. I just wanted to see the perspective. It seems like the right size to my eyes. So we will see over the next year.

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And for the blue tape . I masked out a 199" 2.35:1. The height is probably not correct, since there will be 2" of foam and 3" of cement. I just wanted to see the perspective. It seems like the right size to my eyes. So we will see over the next year.

That's huuuuge.
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Research Research Research haha


I have got the OK to frame my theater, but will not be able do anything else until after the occupancy permit is issued, hope to have that by mid Jan-Mid Feb. So I hope to have the framing 99% done by move in and the entire theater done by May/June 2016


I also just reread my first home theater build thread from 2004 Not sure the link will work but here it is -- https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-ded...tion-pics.html all the pic links do not work, but I have them on my signature.



I wired up and test fired my 7 LED lights 91watts total, but looks like a 1000 watts as my fiancé would say LOL



This will be my equipment room 4' x 4' plus another 3' x 4' under the stairs(or more)




Just laid out a few timbers to get a feel for everything, sat my butt on that home depot bucket to get a feel for the screen lol
















I have all the wood being delivered Friday (will have enough wood to frame my entire walkout level hopefully)

I really like the White Oak theater and his layout, so you will probably see some copy catting

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And so it begins!!

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