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Game Room Out - Atmos and Projector In

As much as I loved my man cave, I have always wanted a dedicated theater room. I got the green light from the wife, so the game room is being converted.

Room is 20' wide x 30' long. Not a fan of the angled ceilings, but its the house the wife wanted, nothing further to say about that

Here is the room prior to the start of the project.

Previous TV was a 92" Mitsu DLP. I loved that TV, but I really wanted three JBL 4722s upfront. For that reason, I decided to go projector with an AT screen.





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Thanks. I am embarrassed you are even in my thread with the build your doing Fantastic job by the way!!!
Thanks! You are on track to having a fantastic space to watch movies. It looks like you are making great progress.
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Somehow I missed this build

Where is the arcade going?

I plan on making a full blown arcade in the space before entering my theater. Good to see other fans of the "great dead" arcade days. I miss them Anyway, looking good. I love to see what people can do with the limited space they have to work with. You are lucky, some wife's would not have had that monster in there attic. I floated that idea by my wife once and she said HELL NO!
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Where is the arcade going?

I plan on making a full blown arcade in the space before entering my theater. Good to see other fans of the "great dead" arcade days. I miss them Anyway, looking good. I love to see what people can do with the limited space they have to work with. You are lucky, some wife's would not have had that monster in there attic. I floated that idea by my wife once and she said HELL NO!
My wife is a true gem. She is very supportive of the theater and the old arcade games. We have teenagers so it is a safe place for them to bring their friends to have fun. The arcade is moving down below the theater room to the garage. I am closing in two of the three bays for an arcade room. I really liked the combo room but I will have more room for game machines in the garage. I sold the pool table so it will be 100% video game machines and maybe an air hockey table. I am already eyeing Craigslist for arcade cabinets. Finding a used commercial air hockey table may prove to be a challenge though. I enjoy working on the arcade cabinets and restoring them. I would always get them and then sell them because I didn't have the room. Now I can build a collection

I was 11 back in 1981 when all the classics games hit the arcades. Maybe it is a mid-life crisis thing, but I really enjoy them. Sometimes I set the games on "attract mode" and just sit and listen to the mix of all the sounds.. Takes me back like it was yesterday.

Thanks for following the thread. It isn't fancy like a lot of the builds but I am enjoying it.

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I enjoy working on the arcade cabinets and restoring them. I would always get them and then sell them because I didn't have the room. Now I can build a collection
Cool, so do I but I have not worked on anything in the last 5 years. Just FYI, I found most if not all the best deals on older cabinets by using this site for used out of area sellers. Try is some time and works well for other stuff not just arcade games,

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I was 11 back in 1981 when all the classics games hit the arcades. Maybe it is a mid-life crisis thing, but I really enjoy them. Sometimes I set the games on "attract mode" and just sit and listen to the mix of all the sounds.. Takes me back like it was yesterday.
The "attract mode" Ohhhhh, that's so funny. I thought I was the only one that liked to do that It will drive most people insane but brings back so many memories.
That deafening sound of walking into an arcade is music to my ears. The only distortion I enjoy in the audio world LOL.
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Don't know how I missed this one. The arcade talk reminds me of being a kid in the mall arcade while mom did her thing. The noise was like a sirens call. My elbow is still hosed from a Tempest game that went to intense.
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Carpet got installed today. Here are some pics of the progress so far. The pictures lighting makes the room look lighter than it is. The walls are a very dark grey but everything looks washed out in the camera lighting, especially the carpet. The camera also makes the room look disproportionate to what it looks like in person - weird.

I got the front of the screen framed but I still need to build the sides and rear base. Right now, it is just leaned back onto the front speakers. The camera makes the whole room look odd, it looks much better in person. Anyways, I am getting closer to the finish line.







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Yeah, my build thread is pretty low key and boring compared to some of the high budget builds on here.
What? I disagree, looks are not everything. I think you have a sweet system going on here. We all have to make do with what we have sometimes and I think you have done an amazing job with that space for Atmos and all.
7JBL 4722, that is sick!
I know that must sound amazing? I would also think auburnu008 would agree with your design choice . Why not hang another 4 for Atmos highs LOL. Well... I guess that would be a little dangers.
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Oh, and are you using 1 or 2 MiniDSP 88's? for a 7.2.4 setup? I am still considering to do that but it seems their are differant tricks to make it work right. Thanks
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. One 88A for all seven speakers flat then run highs without. However, I am runing two subs with very different SPLs, so one 88A will not cover two seperate subs in that config. I just did not want to buy two 88A as that costs a lot more than I wanted to spend. Maybe a 88A(for my Seaton HP)with a Velodyne SMS-1 for the other Klipsch subs. I really do not want to deal with some of the dual 88A stuff I have been reading. Or maybe wait for something new to come out with Dirac Live designed for 7.2.4, that sure would be great
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Very nice room and congrats to your new 24"s
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(7) JBL 4722n!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is sick man!

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Agreed! ^^^^

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. One 88A for all seven speakers flat then run highs without. However, I am runing two subs with very different SPLs, so one 88A will not cover two seperate subs in that config. I just did not want to buy two 88A as that costs a lot more than I wanted to spend. Maybe a 88A(for my Seaton HP)with a Velodyne SMS-1 for the other Klipsch subs. I really do not want to deal with some of the dual 88A stuff I have been reading. Or maybe wait for something new to come out with Dirac Live designed for 7.2.4, that sure would be great
You can use a mini-dsp 2x4 to control the subs post Dirac/88A on a single unit.

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(7) JBL 4722n!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is sick man!
Thanks, but your build is the definition of SICK! The 4722s are a stupid bargain for the price. I am shocked more people don't use them. Amazing speakers....

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I got the frame completed and in place. I have all the speakers wired and even without treatments and Dirac the 7 4722's are sounding great. Dobly and DTS demo disc really shine as the sound doesn't change at all as it pans around the room. So far its pretty amazing with the 24s but I know I can get it dialed in a lot better.

Here is the most recent picture. Sorry for all the shadows, the room is really dark so I shined my LED worklight in the room to take the iphone photo.



I hope to have the speaker material on the bottom and screen installed in a day or two. Chasing some ground loop hum right now
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Simple in looks, but awesome in capability. Will be awesome when dialed in.

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Simple in looks, but awesome in capability. Will be awesome when dialed in.
"Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and operational battle station!"





Oh my, I am VERY pleased thus far. Even with crappy Audyssey, no treatments yet, and Dirac unhooked, this theater is One BAD Mother..... Moving to a projector and going with (7) 4722s and the dual Mariana's was the best thing I have ever done.
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Got the riser built. You can see the rear 4722 hiding out in the corner. Still need to put carpet on it but making progress. All that is really left is the room treatments. Theater is sounding awesome.

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What color is your carpet? It looks different colors between all of the pics. If it is closer to the last pic that you posted (black), can you post more pics so I can see what all black looks like in a theater? My carpet is the only thing not black in my theater and was real curious if I should go that route.

Riser looks like it is the perfect height. Looks great!

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I know we run into each other on the 4722 thread but never realized you had this thread. Job well done man. Everything looks great and I am sure it sounds sick (in a good way of course).
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This is one of my newest favorite HT rooms.

Needs more subs though, right where all the gaps between speakers are.
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I was hunting for pics of 4722's and found your thread. Awesome HT man!!! I like it all blacked out like you have it, with those big subs...hell yeah.
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I was hunting for pics of 4722's and found your thread. Awesome HT man!!! I like it all blacked out like you have it, with those big subs...hell yeah.
Sorry for the late reply, I didn't know this thread had any new posts. I figured my build thread would have disappeared into oblivion by now since it was pretty much a plain Jane, simple setup compared to the amazing build threads here. I did the best I could with a very sub-optimal room layout. I do appreciate all the kind words. I have been enjoying the setup immensely and having the matching 4722s is the best upgrade I have made in 30 years in this hobby. It was guys like @Scott Simonian , @Frohlich , @notnyt , @COACH2369 , @LTD02 , @beastaudio , @Wrager , and @MKtheater who's posts and home systems inspired me to take the pro audio/cinema plunge. The difference between this and my previous setup is almost incomprehensible in retrospect. I would have never imagined in my wildest dreams that my system would be capable of the dynamics, clarity, and performance that it belts out effortlessly now. Seriously, I thought I knew great sound before but in reality I was very ignorant of what true cinema sound was. I literally smile every time that I game or watch movies on it. The cherry on top of the proverbial sundae was getting the dual DSS subs from @dgage . I plan to add some more of his subs to the rear of the room. Primarily for room response but secondarily to get Scott off my butt Outside of adding additional subs, I no longer have the desire to upgrade or change my setup. I never thought that day would come because I always played the "what if" game with regards to speakers and subs. Not anymore
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What other speakers did you have before the 4722s?
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And the 4722s are your favorites? I was not aware of these before this thread and am very intrigued by your review of them!
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Just saw this thread, looks awesome! People have no idea how these sound. Big dynamic sound but smooth.

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I finally got around to getting REW installed and operational;Big, big thanks to Jerry - your guide was priceless my friend. Everything went without a hitch except I cannot get ASIO to see my HDMI device or the UMIK-1 in the preference screen of REW. My receiver shows up in Java but I can't select each channel individually. I was able to get some measurement. I am in the process of making my 2'x4' OC 703 panels but I had several in the room that I went ahead and removed for the baseline.  I was actually enjoying my room until I looked at my graphs

I am some serious nulls to work on. I tried moving the subs around the room last night but will continue today. I work from home, so I will continue pushing these heavy 24s around the room throughout the day. I am embarrassed to post the graph but it is what it is. This is no Audyssey and no treatment with everything lined up symmetrically on the front wall with the 3 front speakers behind the screen - sub (/L/C/R/) sub - var smooting


Chris, the 50hz and 70hz will be lifted once you add the mariana18's in the back of the room... hopefully the 20hz range as well. If anything you have enough headroom to peq it.
100-300hz range, you'll need to add absorbers behind your lcr's, 4"+ is a must, corner traps will help immensely as well. The rest of the frequency range can be flattened out using dirac and treating first reflections with absorbers.

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Doesn't look too bad, actually. Do you use any smoothing with that graph?

Definitely treat the area up front behind the screen and speakers. Corner traps, sure. All these things should really help out in the low hundreds. Added subs to the sides or rear of the room will help out through out the subwoofer region.

Not too bad considering no EQ and no treatment.
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Doesn't look too bad, actually. Do you use any smoothing with that graph?

Definitely treat the area up front behind the screen and speakers. Corner traps, sure. All these things should really help out in the low hundreds. Added subs to the sides or rear of the room will help out through out the subwoofer region.

Not too bad considering no EQ and no treatment.
Thanks Scott.

I looked to have improved things down low but shifted some nulls up to the 100-200 range but to my ears it sounds a lot better. I moved the subs to the far corner and pulled my L/R from out behind the screen and toed them in. I think this is a keeper for the front wall setup since it gives me a lot better imaging instead of the L/C/R. I also have a ton of room to lay down roxul behind everything. Once I cover the lower section of the screen, the roxul would be completely hidden. I can go about 9" thick behind the center and up to 22" behind and in between the L/R and center.

Here is the new graph. Red is previous and Blue is now. All untreated no Audyssey or Dirac. From the looks of the graph, I may just need some near-field mid-bass modules for the 80-200hz range.





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