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post #1 of 38 Old 12-22-2015, 07:48 PM - Thread Starter
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The "I don't want to spend any more money" budget build thread

Well, my pictures apparently got rehosted or something, so i'm starting this build thread over(so if comments don't seem to line up with posts, that's why)

Might as well start with the current status.



obligatory equipment list
-Speakers: I actually don't even know the model number, i bought the front stage second hand over a decade ago. they are B&W bookshelf speakers for the left/right and a JBL center. absolutely nothing special, but surprisingly this 'temp' solution leaves nothing to be desired, so i'll probably keep them. the rear surround, side surround, and 4 atmos speakers are 'melody' 6.5" in-ceiling speakers i bought off amazon for $40/pair. they have since gone up slightly: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (as a note, my intended purpose for this home is to resell in a couple years, so i intentionally tried to cut costs on items i didn't think new buyers would appreciate, and spending thousands on speakers to leave behind would have been a poor choice. that being said, i'm amazed that these speakers don't bother me in any way whatsoever. i will probably continue to use 'cheapish' in-ceiling speakers for the 'forever home' too. maybe a step up from these, but definitely not over 100/pair (total: around $550)
-screen: DIY AT spandex (~$80) + $115 for milliskin and $80 for border/masking
-Projector: JVC x35 ($2850)
-Receiver: Pioneer 1130 ($500)
-Sources: HTPC, PS3, Xbox360, xbox, wii (~$1800)
-wires: mostly sourced from monoprice, the odd amazon special (~$350)
-remote: Harmony One, Logitech K830 keyboard (~$300)

other notable expenses
-lumber (~$500)
-insulation (~$200)
-drywall and compound (~$650)
-primer and paint (~$300)
-lighting and electrical (~$650)
-baseboards and trim (~$170)
-doors and hardware (~$300)
-carpet/laminate (~$2750)

Grand total so far(since i have not tracked this accurately, it's safe to say it's probably an underestimate of actual expenses) = $11950 ($12145 after new screen)

from there we can jump back to the beginning. These pics were taken a few weeks before my possession, but aside from connecting the HVAC, installing the water heater, and getting that last bit of drywall attached, this was my starting point.





I weighed a few options, and if i'm being honest, i'm still not sure i picked the right layout. my biggest concern was that the 'best' wall to build the theater on is the 'party wall' connecting my home to the neighbour's. At the time, i didn't have any neighbours, but not know who they might be, i didn't want to put myself in a situation where I couldn't use the theater without complaints. in the end, this was the design I came up with for the space
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Very nice! I love having the equipment behind the screen. The spandex looks good and I'm sure will look even better when you do the border. The small lights on the sides of the room will really set it off. Congrats.
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I am a teacher, so I tend to do my building during the summer, with the small projects tackled throughout the year during smaller breaks. Since I moved in in November, I had very little time, and being unused to a 'theater-less' living for many years, I was driven to put up something




during xmas break, I began the framing. I flipped back and forth between the theater area, and the rest of the basement. Honestly, just doing whatever was easiest next, haha. This resulted in a long build, but also one that had very few moments that truly felt like work(sanding drywall for example). I guess i'd compare it to the guy that 'tinkers' on a car in his garage for 3yrs, and before you know it he's restored a classic car.













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Great motivation behind this space. Keep up the good work.
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the basement is currently open, and sound gets in and out very easily, but i wanted to a little forward thinking in case that was an issue, and i wanted to frame in the theater space completely. It sits directly below the living room, so I didn't really need to worry about TOO much. In the end, I settles on a budget friendly approach of simply adding some sound isolation. I'm happy with the results, but it's hard to really tell since the back of the theater is wide open, and sound easily travels upstairs via the stairs. I also wanted to try and isolate the furnace room as much as possible, since the noise it created was a bit annoying in the theater.




Drywall was done pretty much the same way as framing, slowly, whenever I was bored and felt like it. That being said, putting up the drywall, while a little messy, was a rewarding step as it really created the rooms, and gave me the first real look at what the final result could be.



you can see in this pic the little 'tool' i made to help me hang the drywall on the ceiling. Living is a somewhat remote area, and working on a 'whenever i feel like it' schedule, i did everything solo.









at this point the room was ready for some serious sanding... if only I knew what I was getting myself into
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Wow, very nice use of the space and unless you are using camera trickery very quick progress as well. I'll be interested in your overall impression of the spandex screen. Love the idea I just have not seen one in person to have that real world impression. Keep the pics and progress coming and Happy New Year ( a little early)!!

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Just curious on how high your ceiling is and how much clearance you have under the beam and lighting soffit.

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Before moving onto what ended up being a FULL YEAR of sanding drywall in my spare time

Some little 'side projects' that happened along the way.

First the screen. Now at the time I started the build, the 'best minds at AVS' were dead set that doing white over black was a bad idea and the image would be too dark, so it was suggested that you do two layers of white, white over grey, or grey over white. I went to the store, and found both a grey and a black on heavy discount, so i ended up buying white, grey, and black and brought them home.

step one obviously is to build the frame. the good news is, even two years later it's holding up just fine. the bad news is, on day one the boards weren't perfectly straight, so if the plan is to make a 'zero edge' style screen, don't do what i did. I still have four pieces of lumber sitting on my basement floor waiting for me to make the black frame, i swear i'll get to it eventually...


once i was happy with it, i painted it flat black


based on recommendations at the time, i wrapped a layer of grey, followed by a top layer of white.


the results were good, but i did notice a 'softness' to the image. I also noticed, that with the unpainted drywall behind the screen, it acted similar to a terrible FALD led. the 'haloing' around bright areas was noticeable, and in fact at times it made it look like screen had three dimming zones(the screen frame divided them up). i decided to leave it until i got the screen wall prepped to see if it was still an issue or not.

anyway, some screen shots




and since this was done early on, here's a few more once the drywall was up. obviously the daytime screen shots are not ideal



the future for the screen will be to pull off the spandex, and re-wrap it with white over black. i'm still finding light passing through the screen and reflecting off the second layer, or the wall to be quite detrimental to the ansi contrast. with a solid screen, i was measuring around 500:1 ansi contrast, with the spandex screen it's closer to 125:1, so quite a significant difference. I also need to make the frame, and i'm hoping when i do that to make a masking system. the plan is to make a panel i can insert in the bottom of the screen, and perhaps two smaller ones for the top corners. the the idea is to be able to have 3 different uses. a 'CIH' 2.35:1 screen with the bottom panel inserted(this will likely be the regular use, and i'll use the projector's zoom to switch between 16:9 and scope), a 16:9 'small' screen(if i find it distracting watching 16:9 on the 2.35CIH screen, then i want to be able to insert the masking to change it back to a 16:9 screen), and the final one would be an 'IMAX' style where i don't have any masking installed.

The AV rack was another project that took shape over the course of the build. One of the perks of the layout i chose was being able to use the crawlspace as my rack. As you can see, i have pretty easy access to it through the media closet, and it's fairly unobtrusive in the room. it's build from a 'fast track system' like this: https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.r...000679919.html with the shelves cut from MDF





test run, everything fits, and works


after the shelves are painted and the trim attached




Being that this is a new house, I had other projects in mind as well. One of those was fixing up the garage, and i knew that was going to be easier the sooner i did it.
Before:

Paint:

Flooring:


anyway, the relevance of this is that i purchased a double car garage kit, with the intention of using in on the floor in the furnace room as well. I was so impressed with it, i decided to also paint the crawlspace/media closet. i ended up paint the floor in the bathroom too, which will get covered up, but it was either that, or throw it out so i figured i might as well.










The last of the misc projects for now is the star ceiling. i have seen many images posted from fellow members and always like the way they looked. in my previous home, when i painted the ceiling black i found it really opened up the feel. it was like there was no ceiling at all. I figured the only way to one-up that was to add the stars.

way back in 2015 i purchased my paint

I only got around to actually doing this about a week ago, and my opinions on the results are mixed. in the dark, like when everything is off, it looks great! when i'm watching a movie, and it fades to black, it's sometimes enough to notice the stars and that's pretty cool too. but what i don't like is that the paint is white, not clear or dark. so, while most stars would be less visible with more light, these guys go from visible, to less visible, to obvious splatters of white paint. and when there's enough light to start seeing it as paint splatter rather than star light, it not only ruins the effect, but it looks downright tacky. I will say, for $60bux, and about two hours of my time, it'd be tough to beat. But i certainly understand why people with the means are willing to spend thousands for fiber optic ceilings instead. i probably should write-off a professionally painted star sky mural either, but i would absolutely need to see one in person before i ever did it after this experience. if there isn't a paint that dries clear, or a way to make the stars invisible then i just don't think it's worth it.

LED lighting (i have still yet to attach this, so that why the glow is uneven and may change between pics). it actually does a good job of charging the paint, but only around the perimeter. the stars in the middle need another light to charge them. i've ordered a string of black lights to test out, hoping i don't have to stick a black light on the ground just to charge them up


might as well start with the good, this is an overexposed image(you can see how bright the red standby light on my projector is) but it's actually just a bit brighter than what i experience in a completely dark room after my eyes have adjusted.


now for the bad. part of this is my fault, part of it is bad luck, some i think unavoidable though. i had done some testing when i first got the paint, and liked the effect i got with 'sprinkling' the paint onto the wall. after watching some tutorials, i was unfortunately led down the wrong path, and was under the impression that the large stars should be just under the size of a dime(much bigger than i had planned). even still, i decided i would paint my tiny background stars first, and i used the 'dab' method described in most tutorials. my results were very underwhelming, virtually no glow at all. Spoiler alert, in order to glow brightly, the paint needs to be applied thick. anyway, because of that tutorial, i then thought i had to make the stars larger(rather than thicker) and started testing that out. The trouble is, i was doing all of this, in the dark with a UV light. when i turned on the real lights, i saw this:


while the stars were nearly impossible to see by their glow, they were disgustingly obvious with the lights on. it was after this that i went back over and applied a thicker dab of paint on all my stars. the big 'smears' are still there, and probably make the lights on look worse, but i don't feel they are the only problem.

so i don't know if there's been some camera trickery with some of the shots i've seen, but for my ceiling the only way it looks good, and really looks like starlight is when everything is off. i've seen many pics of gorgeous looking star ceilings with the led trim lighting still on. mine is not one of those...
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Looks good i like how you put everything off to the side looks clean! Are you dry walling the center of the room to?
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minor update, doors installed. though they will need to be taken off for paint eventually. the door on the furnace room is a solid core for extra noise isolation


last update for now is the paint.

i don't have many shots of the primer, but then, why would i? at this point i was so excited to get color on the walls, i wasn't pausing to take pics of white



screen wall painted flat black, and the window covered with black vinyl


now, before i get to the real paint pics, i want to say this loud and clear for everybody to hear. under no circumstances should you EVER purchase and use Sico Evolution paint. When i went to buy my paint it happened to be on sale. i was fooled by the regular price being quite high and comparable with some 'good' paints, but with the sale it was half price and cheaper than the house brand. in hindsight, and having used the house brand before, it was not a good deal at all. most areas took at LEAST 4 coats, even over the primer. many areas have roller marks from applying the paint too thin, while others have runs from when i tried to avoid roller marks. The paint is extremely thin, coverage sucked, and the end result was not awesome. to make matters worse, the color match wasn't quite right, and it was off by enough that i noticed it by eye. i thought it was because the lighting was different in the basement perhaps, but when i ran out of the new paint(i didn't mention coverage sucked right) i started using the leftover paint from the builders. that confirmed it, and i had to be careful where i used each paint. most of the ceiling was done with the 'old' paint, while the walls were done with the 'new' paint. so you don't really notice the difference. but, my walls are now painted with a grey i didn't want, and it's slightly 'redder' than desired. when i bought the house, i did so before completion so i could choose interior finishes. i spent a couple hours putting flooring beside cabinets beside paint trying to make everything work together. my plan was to do continue the same flooring from upstairs into the basement, so i chose this grey to ensure it would match.

anyway, ranting about that aside, i also wanted to add a little color into the theme, and finally settled on this:




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Ok, here is my thought. I would do what you have done and prewire and install all of your overhead speakers per the 7.1.4 recommendations. While this is slightly less optimal for a 5.1.2 situation I would plan for the future and have something that you don't have to worry about doing later. I'm guessing that you could even try the first set and then the rear set to see which ones "sound" better to you until the time you are ready to go the full four speakers.

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assuming i can wire up both pairs without going below the rated impedence of my receiver, is there a reason i should not connect both pairs so that i have a 'virtual' overhead speaker?.......
I don't have any experience with this but I have read on a couple of threads and somewhere else that doing what you state is not recommended. The OP on those threads had suggested doing this and they were advised not to. I wish I had a better answer but alas I do not.

I did find the following though for a little light reading. Here.....Here....

Hope this helps.

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Gotcha,

Well I will defer to the expert then, you have far more knowledge than I. I took electronics class in high school, you teach it!

If you are just asking for what you think the effect would be then I can give my opinion on that. I have not heard an ATMOS setup but I have heard many surround sound systems good and bad. I think the overall effect you are wanting would be there so I think in that regards you would be happy doing the pseudo ATMOS until you can do it "for real".

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Well even lateral progress is progress, heck here even backwards progress is progress. Glad you hear you caught a potential deal breaker, got it fixed, now are up to code, and looking forward. Good work.

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Nice work on the garage. One note to you one the epoxy finish on the floor. Follow the prep instructions as I found that is the key to being successful in lasting finish. We did this to our garage several years ago and the only issue is where our tires sit. It's called "hot tire pick up" and is the biggest wear issue the epoxy has, otherwise a very durable finish. It also doesn't help that my wife likes to move the steering wheel around while she is backing out of the garage unnecessarily.

No harm in watching the build of a clone of your house going up, very insightful information can be gained in that process.

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I know it's frustrating. I have been there. I have the time but not the money or I've got the money but I don't have the time is a bad place to be but the wait and frustration is worth it. We all have things that clamor for our time and money. Looks good so far, chin up and shoulders out my friend you are in the final stretch! Your "volunteer overtime" is totally worth it as you are shaping the future of our country and teaching these kids true life skills to deal with the real world.

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Looking good. Drywalling ceilings is a major PITA.
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since this thread all but died(i lost all my pics) i decided to revamp it as i approach the finish line

all previous posts have been fixed/updated/consolidated.

so, things left to do include:
-flooring
-cover for projector box
-Screen Frame and Masking

my plan was to order the flooring and put it down this week. then order carpet and have that installed. however... for about a month now i've been waivering on what to order. my original plan was to continue the same flooring as i got upstairs, but that presents a few concerns.

i went with a black laminate. honestly, i'm second guessing it, especially as a 'resale' choice. when i googled designs, i did really like the look of grey rooms with black floor. but i think they were all a shiny floor, and mine is much duller, having a 'real wood' texture to it rather than being a mirror finish.



one of my biggest worries, and probably the most significant reason i went with black is because i was concerned have a grey floor with grey walls was going to be far too much. on one hand, if the grey's didn't match, that would drive me insane. on the other, if they were the same grey, it'd be too much. i feel that since then, i have seen examples, at least with carpet, where grey on grey worked really well. add in that i only have half my walls being grey, and i'm less concerned about being overwhelmed with a single tone.

all of this has led me to a stalement trying to choose between grey laminate with black carpet, or black laminate with grey carpet. the stairs leading down to the basement already have the same black laminate as the main floor.

the 'easy' solution of matching the flooring throughout the house. i just need to find a grey carpet that works with the grey paint in the theater space



or the slightly more risky, needing to find a grey laminate that works with the grey paint, and the black laminate on the stairs. at least the black carpet will be easier to pick



i'd like to decide this soon, as if i don't go place the order this week, i likely won't have a chance for a couple months
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Rebuilding the build thread - now that's commitment. Thanks for taking the time. (That debacle with Photobucket just reaffirms my phobia of any "Cloud" type storage.)

Even after your thread is long buried in the archives someone will dig it up and appreciate your efforts.
Can also be a good reference for the builder, or a reminder of the pain and suffering if you get the idea to rebuild.

As for your flooring quandary, I would go with the black laminate in the theater room and lay a large black area rug over top to cut reflections.

Coming together nice. The turquoise tray ceiling lights are beautiful.
Looking forward to seeing your build completed. I think a lot of homes have similar space restrictions so will be interesting to see how it all turns out.

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the photos were actually just on my facebook page. i think they 'move' them after some time or something. the pics are all still there, but the links are all different.

as you said, it may be inspiration, or a cautionary tale for another. i know i spent many hours sifting through build thread trying to find something similar.

thank for you thoughts!

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Even after your thread is long buried in the archives someone will dig it up and appreciate your efforts.
yah, the pictures of this build are very useful for me, as we're looking at a tray ceiling, and needing to build a projector box potentially too.
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Sorry if this was already mentioned and I missed it, but what are the dimensions of your theater? Thanks!
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Nice work except #27 is Darryl Sittler.
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yah, the pictures of this build are very useful for me, as we're looking at a tray ceiling, and needing to build a projector box potentially too.
appreciate the kind words. i've taken so much from these forums, I always try to give back what I can.


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Sorry if this was already mentioned and I missed it, but what are the dimensions of your theater? Thanks!
the actual theater space is just under 12feet wide, and will be about 20 feet from screen to where the carpet ends.


some more updates...

it was spring break, so i had a week to get some stuff done. As it turns out, my flooring choice was all but made for me, the company that makes the laminate I had installed upstairs will no longer ship orders unless they can do an entire container. so since I didn't want to buy 30000sq ft or whatever an entire container of flooring would be, i opted for a light grey. The carpet, which isn't quite black, but a very dark grey, is scheduled to be installed apr 11.

I'll let the pics do the rest of the talking
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played around a bit with the UV rope lighting so that it hits the entire ceiling. I'm undecided on what i want to do with the RGB lighting. tuck it in the corner so i get the sharp edge cutoff, or mount it higher like i did with the UV lighting and give it a more uniform glow. i also need to swap back the other controller, this one doesn't give me the matching aqua color that i like. but it does look pretty cool, kinda 'aurora borealis' like with the blue RGB and the UV light mixed
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well, we all know a theater is never actually done, but i'm at least at a point where it feels 'done for now'. i would still like to build a frame for the screen, so i can work on a masking system, and i'd like to figure out something else for the furniture, whether it's replacing the loveseat with a full couch, or adding a 'bar table' and some stools behind it. there's also a pretty good layer of dust on all the walls that needs to get cleaned up. the whole basement needs a good cleaning to be honest.



from my previous update, you can see over spring break i installed the laminate. well a couple weeks later the carpet was installed. this was the only thing in the entire basement i didn't do myself. part of me is sad i didn't do it just to 'complete' diy, but for it costs to get carpet installed, i basically paid for delivery and got a free install...






anyway, i finally installed the last couple of baseboard pieces and touched up the paint on them, so for now, i'm gonna try and enjoy it. however, that comes to my next question. i really need a way to block out the light, as it's too bright to use the theater(for anything 'reference') until about 9pm, and that'll soon be closer to 10pm. obviously that kind of sucks. what i'd like to do is hang some blackout curtains to separate the theater space from the rest of the basement, but on a track so i can slide them out of the way. i've seen some systems that look like they could work, but i'm hoping for a 'light touch' if possible, and i want the curtains to be out of the way, and the track to be 'not obvious' most of the time. any suggestions would be welcomed. there's not much locally to choose from, and i'm leary about what might actually show up at my door when buying online. it's hard to find anything with reviews




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Looking very nice.

No curtain help but wondering what's your masking plans?

(I think my favourite thing in the basement is the creative pool table lighting!)
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Looking very nice.

No curtain help but wondering what's your masking plans?

(I think my favourite thing in the basement is the creative pool table lighting!)
nothing is set in stone for masking, but many years ago i purchased several tiny powerful magnets made by 'buckyballs' before they got shut down. i'm hoping to figure out a way to put some magnets in the screen frame, then also build some panels with the magnets in them, covered with the same velvet as the frame. i like the width of the screen for scope movies, so i'm going to try and build a panel that spans the entire width and place it at the bottom, to give a full width 'scope' screen at the top. then make two more panels to turn the scope screen into a 16:9 screen. this will give me basically three options, a '16:9', '2.35:1', and 'imax'. i'm probably going to look at some rigid foam to make the panels out of. my only concern would be that the two side pieces would probably block my front speakers from having a clear shot through the AT screen. to be honest, i've thought about it a fair bit, but have not actually checked to see if my plans are feasible, as cheap as i think, or done any research on what others have done. so who knows.

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played around a bit with the UV rope lighting so that it hits the entire ceiling. I'm undecided on what i want to do with the RGB lighting. tuck it in the corner so i get the sharp edge cutoff, or mount it higher like i did with the UV lighting and give it a more uniform glow. i also need to swap back the other controller, this one doesn't give me the matching aqua color that i like. but it does look pretty cool, kinda 'aurora borealis' like with the blue RGB and the UV light mixed
Do you mind telling me how wide and deep your soffits are? Mine will be 300mm high but just deciding on with and yours look a pretty good width. Is there a general rule around this?

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