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Mostly out of room in the rack so I will be mounting the amp in this enclosed cabinet below the rest of the components. The amp has auto on so I should not need to mess with it and would rather keep it out of sight.



RSL C34E in ceiling Atmos speakers should arrive tomorrow. Should make a fun weekend project!


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Going to try a keyhole saw to cut the speaker holes in double drywall ceiling. Not sure how well that is going to work on 1 1/4” tk drywall but it should certainly be less dusty than a router.


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Going to try a keyhole saw to cut the speaker holes in double drywall ceiling. Not sure how well that is going to work on 1 1/4” tk drywall but it should certainly be less dusty than a router.

I’m still amazed by how much drywall dust goes airborne even from just a hand saw. You’ll find the dust everywhere for weeks to come LOL

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on your Atmos upgrade this weekend!
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I’m still amazed by how much drywall dust goes airborne even from just a hand saw. You’ll find the dust everywhere for weeks to come LOL

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on your Atmos upgrade this weekend!
So true, its not the nicest stuff to work with thats for sure. Speakers are taking a good bit of time to be delivered. Tracking claims delivery today but details of the shipment are nowhere to be found on FedEx page so I'm not sure what to expect ATM...

Thanks for checking in; I'll be in touch with impressions if my speakers arrive.
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I am using the CL-34's for my surround and Atmos speakers and I am very happy with them. Great speaker for the money!
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As is typical took me twice as long as I thought it might but at this point holes are cut, speaker cable is prepped, Dynaboxes are in place and awaiting speaker delivery Monday.

All in all, Dynaboxes seem to do a nice job for a retrofit installation.

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Almost there for Atmos!!! Remember, DO NOT overtighten those RSL C34E speaker mount posts!

To install:
1. With a Phillips screwdriver in your belt, insert the speaker into the hole, then turn each mounting post screw one full turn. This should rotate the right angle clamping piece into position and support the speaker.

2. While holding the speaker up against the ceiling, tighten each screw 1/2 turn at a time, cycling through all screws. Easiest way to see how close you are to being “tight” is to slowly “let go” of the speaker and observe the gap between the speaker frame and the ceiling.

I’m still peeved at myself each time I see the two spots I over tightened one screw in each speaker ... I’d hate for that to happen to you in your beautiful theater.
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Almost there for Atmos!!! Remember, DO NOT overtighten those RSL C34E speaker mount posts!

To install:
1. With a Phillips screwdriver in your belt, insert the speaker into the hole, then turn each mounting post screw one full turn. This should rotate the right angle clamping piece into position and support the speaker.

2. While holding the speaker up against the ceiling, tighten each screw 1/2 turn at a time, cycling through all screws. Easiest way to see how close you are to being “tight” is to slowly “let go” of the speaker and observe the gap between the speaker frame and the ceiling.

I’m still peeved at myself each time I see the two spots I over tightened one screw in each speaker ... I’d hate for that to happen to you in your beautiful theater.


Noted. I’ll take it slow but steady with a screwdriver when installing.

To this point, can you recall how far the brackets overhang the edge of the hole? I’ve got a couple locations where I am within half an inch of either a drywall channel or a joist and might not have as much drywall to attach to as I would like it.

Complete and cleaned up ready for speakers!




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Noted. I’ll take it slow but steady with a screwdriver when installing.

To this point, can you recall how far the brackets overhang the edge of the hole? I’ve got a couple locations where I am within half an inch of either a drywall channel or a joist and might not have as much drywall to attach to as I would like it.

Complete and cleaned up ready for speakers!
Excellent! Now that you’ve cleaned up, Murphy dictates that gypsum dust shall sprinkle everywhere as you install the speakers and literally NEVER touch the cut edges of the drywall. ;-/ LOL

I don’t recall exactly how much overhang the mounts have, but looking at this pic on the product page it doesn’t look like “too much” to worry about. My guess is when they swing into place they will be fine even if they hit something that prevents them from “opening up fully.” But that’s just a guess ...

Might want to experiment with one outside the ceiling so you can watch what happens when you turn the screw and the mount arm hits something before swinging out fully.
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Excellent! Now that you’ve cleaned up, Murphy dictates that gypsum dust shall sprinkle everywhere as you install the speakers and literally NEVER touch the cut edges of the drywall. ;-/ LOL

I don’t recall exactly how much overhang the mounts have, but looking at this pic on the product page it doesn’t look like “too much” to worry about. My guess is when they swing into place they will be fine even if they hit something that prevents them from “opening up fully.” But that’s just a guess ...

Might want to experiment with one outside the ceiling so you can watch what happens when you turn the screw and the mount arm hits something before swinging out fully.


thx for the insight Tex. Agree, I’ll mess with one prior to putting in ceiling to see how they act.

Really glad you mentioned about not over tightening the screws. I’ll just take my time follow your directions to a T.

Amp is installed, all hook ups are ready, speakers get here tomorrow. I’ll touch back with some completed pictures tomorrow evening!

Regarding orientation of the speakers within the ceiling, some users mentioned the speakers are Aimable? How to orient them and aim them for Atmos? I believe users in the speaker forum suggested aiming them directly at the MLP.


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Regarding orientation of the speakers within the ceiling, some users mentioned the speakers are Aimable? How to orient them and aim them for Atmos? I believe users in the speaker forum suggested aiming them directly at the MLP.

Yes, aim them at the MLP when you install them. RSL recommends this as does the Denon X8500 manual which I’m pining over (though at this point two more models will be released before I finish my theater), Fronts are aimed in at like a 45° angle-ish, Centers are aimed like 90°, and Rears are again like 45° towards the MLP (all assumes a .6 configuration like you are doing).
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Yes, aim them at the MLP when you install them. RSL recommends this as does the Denon X8500 manual which I’m pining over (though at this point two more models will be released before I finish my theater), Fronts are aimed in at like a 45° angle-ish, Centers are aimed like 90°, and Rears are again like 45° towards the MLP (all assumes a .6 configuration like you are doing).


Actually I’m only installing .4 but the logic still applies I believe. I’ll tow them both in and then set both the front and rear heights to 45° down to the MLP. Thanks!


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C34E's are installed!

All things considered, the speakers are were pretty easy to work with. Popping out the long mounting arms in favor of short arms was a delicate process: need to be very gentle or the circular guide that holds the arms at the top can break.

Took a few hours but all is well and installed. I used puddy pads to seal the bottom of the Dynabox's to the top of drywalled ceiling. Pro Tip: clean off drywall with damp towel prior to using puddy pads as they will NOT bond to drywall dust for obvious reasons.

Additionally, I had to cut out certain areas of the Sound Snake foam along the sides of the box in order to allow the mounting arms to open and ultimately grab the drywall. You can tell if an arm is hitting an obstruction and therefore not able to open because when tightening it with screws it gets tight very quickly. Per @texpilot good advice, do NOT over-tighten. The plastic used is not very heavy duty and it won't take much to break it.

I'll post up some pics tonight!

Next steps:
  1. Paint grills black and install
  2. Run audyseey to incorporate/tweak my new Atmos speakers
  3. Install some triggers (AVR to Audiosource Atmos amp and AVR to iNuke SW amp)
  4. Watch some 4k UHD Atmos BD and report back on impressions!
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I used my DeWalt drill to install my speakers. I set the clutch to the #2 setting and then finished tightening by hand. No way was I going to install 14 speakers (56 fine threaded long screws!) by hand! Full disclosure - I did break one when I forgot to check the clutch (it was on 9) but Joe at RSL sent me some spares ASAP at no charge.

Your theater is looking fantastic!
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I used my DeWalt drill to install my speakers. I set the clutch to the #2 setting and then finished tightening by hand. No way was I going to install 14 speakers (56 fine threaded long screws!) by hand! Full disclosure - I did break one when I forgot to check the clutch (it was on 9) but Joe at RSL sent me some spares ASAP at no charge.







Your theater is looking fantastic!






LOL - great idea with the DeWalt. I would have done the same but my ceiling is so thick (double 5/8" drywall with a Dynabox) that I didn't have far to tighten. I used the shorter arms and it was no worries. I can see how, with thin ceiling, turning them down with a screwdriver would be brutal...







Thanks for the kind words on the theater! I just (finally) put up LED strips around the molding at edge of soffits last night. I'm pleased. Really adds something although it would look better if I would have matched the soffit and step colors before snapping the pic lol:













Atmos speakers mounted, grilles painted!

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Not as thick as your ceiling but not exactly thin either - 1/2" drywall and 5/8" OSB.
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@texpilot - The C34Es have a very thin fabric that lines the underside of the speaker grilles. Probably a silly question but does this fabric remain intact or should it be removed? My gut tells me it is to remain but I didn’t know once it starts getting painted how that affects the acoustically transparent properties of the fabric? Also, the white fabric makes it difficult to get a consistent look to the grill if painting it a dark color.

I can work with it either way just trying to determine if the fabric should remain or be pulled ?

Thoughts?

Edit: did some research. See no reason that the cloth must remain on the speaker grill and I’m concerned that painting it will negatively impact acoustically transparent properties. Removed the cloth and all is well!

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C34E's are installed!

All things considered, the speakers are were pretty easy to work with. Popping out the long mounting arms in favor of short arms was a delicate process: need to be very gentle or the circular guide that holds the arms at the top can break.

Took a few hours but all is well and installed.
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You can tell if an arm is hitting an obstruction and therefore not able to open because when tightening it with screws it gets tight very quickly. Per @texpilot good advice, do NOT over-tighten. The plastic used is not very heavy duty and it won't take much to break it.
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Edit: did some research. See no reason that the cloth must remain on the speaker grill and I’m concerned that painting it will negatively impact acoustically transparent properties. Removed the cloth and all is well!
Thanks, my ceiling isn't ready but I have four C34e speakers ready to go. I really appreciate the tips and am eager to hear your impressions!
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@texpilot - The C34Es have a very thin fabric that lines the underside of the speaker grilles. Probably a silly question but does this fabric remain intact or should it be removed? My gut tells me it is to remain but I didn’t know once it starts getting painted how that affects the acoustically transparent properties of the fabric? Also, the white fabric makes it difficult to get a consistent look to the grill if painting it a dark color.

I can work with it either way just trying to determine if the fabric should remain or be pulled ?

Thoughts?

Edit: did some research. See no reason that the cloth must remain on the speaker grill and I’m concerned that painting it will negatively impact acoustically transparent properties. Removed the cloth and all is well!

Sorry Diggs, just saw this. I installed mine 6+ months ago, didn’t paint them, and don’t even remember a cloth being on the grills. Sounds like you took them out to paint them, which I definitely would have done as well.

My guess is the cloth acts as a pad against the plastic to ensure the magnetically-attached grill does not rattle. I would put it back in after you’ve painted before reinstalling the grill.
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Sorry Diggs, just saw this. I installed mine 6+ months ago, didn’t paint them, and don’t even remember a cloth being on the grills. Sounds like you took them out to paint them, which I definitely would have done as well.

My guess is the cloth acts as a pad against the plastic to ensure the magnetically-attached grill does not rattle. I would put it back in after you’ve painted before reinstalling the grill.
I did some research on other forums that indicates the cloth is not necessary. I still have it and as you pointed out plan to put it back on only in the case that the grilles start rattling. We shall see!

first impressions of the C34E is that they sound very, very nice. They are Atmos effects speakers for my particular setup which makes them a bit more difficult to demo than my mains. At the same point, they do seem to blend well and sound very good!

I am currently crossing them at 100 hz. Its going to take more time before I can establish a definitive opinion on the matter but I cannot see any reason I am not going to be happy with these speakers.
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The C34E's are a winner!

After watching several Atmos mastered movies I declare the JSL C34E in ceiling Atmos speakers a winner! Atmos truly adds a different dimension to my HT experience. Well worth the upgrade cost and sweat equity involved.

Thanks to all who recommended the upgrade, suggested speakers and advised on construction processes. Its appreciated!

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So cool to see your theater moving again, and getting some SOLID updates. Your theater is still one of my favorites visually, and the inspiration for a few of my design choices. Hopefully someday my theater is done and then I will share it with the world, haha.
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Thanks Sig; its appreciated!

Do you have a build thread for your current theater? I'd like to take a look and see how things are going.
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Thanks Sig; its appreciated!

Do you have a build thread for your current theater? I'd like to take a look and see how things are going.
No build thread yet. Haven't fully decided if I'll commit to one. Plus... I'm going to start working on the theater after literally taking an entire year off. I don't need the kind of abuse that would cause in my thread . I'll probably have a theater thread someday, just might skip the "getting there", haha.

Here's some pics. 2 of them are current state. And the other shows kind of current state for the front, except it was before the door/wainscoting.

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No build thread yet. Haven't fully decided if I'll commit to one. Plus... I'm going to start working on the theater after literally taking an entire year off. I don't need the kind of abuse that would cause in my thread . I'll probably have a theater thread someday, just might skip the "getting there", haha.

Here's some pics. 2 of them are current state. And the other shows kind of current state for the front, except it was before the door/wainscoting.

https://imgur.com/a/bbHWKJU
Looks like you are doing it right Sig! Really like how you framed out the man door. That adds a seamless look to the room.

You will love it! Getting through the build, although fun, is a TON of work haha

Like the stage as well. Keep it up!
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Update on recent upgrades

Atmos:
Very nice - immersive experience in movies mastered in Dolby Atmos. A worthwhile upgrade and one I'm glad I invested in. When properly implemented it is a significant upgrade from 5.1 or 7.1 systems IMHO.

Crowson MA's Super fun technology here. The key is to balancing them correctly as they can overwhelm or feel poorly integrated with the subwoofers if not crossed over, timed and leveled correctly. But the closer I dial it in the more I love the motion actuators. Highly recommended to anyone desiring more TR in their HT.

I just bought a MiniDSP 2x4HD and am going to use that to fine tune, EQ both subs and Crowsons. At that point I plan to enter the interesting world of BEQ!!

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Update on recent upgrades:

BEQ:
This is a HUGE improvement over my previous setup. BEQ is just excellent. And its implemented w/o feeling like you are 'pushing it too far' or sounding boomy IMO. Just a nice, realistic feeling hitting of the bass in movies. An awesome project and well worth looking into for anyone who desires a more well
rounded EQ in their HT. If you are interested check it out here!

I need to mention @aron7awol - thank you so much for helping me out with integrating MiniDSP HD and for practical instruction on how to integrate subs, etc. My HT is really starting to sound amazing and you were the most recent to help me get there so thanks!!
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