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any new update?
Thanks for asking! I committed the perennial mistake of hanging the projector, and then it was "good enough" to enjoy the room so far - it's in better shape than before the remodel. Updates coming up.
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Falcon Vision HD material on a Carada frame

<Copying from this post for posterity>

I finally got around to this last night! I used self-drilling screws from Home Depot, and for the bands I bought several sizes from Amazon at around $7-$10 per each pack of 100. Those shown in the photo are what I ended up using, though they were a little large and so were wrapped twice around the grommets. Constructions was simple, just like stapling I started at mid-points and then after those 4 were done worked out 3 grommets at a time diagonally opposite each other.

I think I need to make 2 small adjustments, but otherwise it looks great. Those are:
  1. Remove (unscrew) the snaps where a grommet lies on top, as that is pulling the material off the frame and so giving a small shadow
  2. At the 4 corners, I did a diagonal band and think I need to do 2 bands (horizontal and vertical)

I just need to paint my goalposts (minimal screen wall approach) black (and then they can go back up) and add the insulation/plastic/insulation to the front wall and then I can hang it. Hopefully this holiday weekend.







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I made those two small adjustments, and now the screen lies perfectly flat on the frame with no shadows cast:

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Screen wall frame details

I thought I'd add a few more details on the screen wall frame. Like many others, I've followed Big's excellent Minimalist Approach to Screen Wall thread, and reused ideas from various posters there.

The frame was assembled by using the 1" nominal (0.75" real) primed FPJ, and screwing two pieces together at 90d to make each goal post and crossbar. I used the excellent Kreg pockethole jig, that my wife got for my birthday, to attach the crossbars to the posts and for some reason chose not to mount the bottom one on little shims. Presumably as there is no weight hanging on it, but those sure made hanging the top one easier!



After the dry fit, I took it all down and back to the garage for painting. I've got left over Rosco from the ceiling, and used two coats. The pre-primed wood, which is very smooth on one side, makes the paint go on real quick with a 1/4" nap 4" roller. In this photo you can also see the hanging bars take came with the Carada frame, including one that keeps the bottom tight:



For the feet I copied @Newt1822 method from this post. I bought 2 packs of 2 Everbilt 1-1/16 in. Threaded Glide feet from Home Depot, and added them to a left over offcut from making the goal posts. I then took my Dremel and cut a slot in the top of each foot so that I could turn them with a flat blade screwdriver when in place. Each foot then attached to the goal posts via pocket hole screws on the back side:




BTW I did find better feet, with stronger metal fittings rather than plastic, and with a slot already in the top at Woodcraft. They are only about $2 more for the set of 4, but the existing feet have worked fine and so I haven't swapped them out.

To attach to my proscenium, the insides of the goalposts were cut longer than the outside so that they can rest against the framing. A single drywall screw holds the goalpost so that it cannot slip forward or back, with compression between the feet on the floor and the front of the goal post against the proscenium framing really keeping it tight:



I don't know if it was really necessary, but the framing behind the proscenium left a 8"x22"x12' space that I felt like would resonate badly. I've been using all Knauf products for my acoustic plan and found this roll to stuff it at the local hardware store (McLendon Hardware in Renton):

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DIYSG Titan 615LX build

Back in fall 2016 when I started the remodel, I originally had wanted to build a set of DIYSG 1099 but like there Elusive moniker they were elusive to me and out of stock. After much research here, and talking to Tom at PSA, I ordered a set of PSA MTM-210 knowing that if I didn't like them there was a 60 day evaluation period. I loved them. As I've mentioned in several threads asking about the PSA, I've not heard drum heads sound so real. However, I still hankered for the chance to build some speakers and when Erich announced the Titans my jaw dropped to the floor!

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Link to the Titan-615 General Discussion Thread here at AVSForum.

I preordered the 615LX and IIRC late April they were delivered. To make things go smoothly, I ordered the flat packs (I needed wide and shallow), horn brackets and assembled crossovers. The 3 speakers were professionally packed in 6 boxes:





Dry fit went perfectly except that one of the crossbraces for the narrow but deep boxes had been packed instead. Erich offers great service, but I opted to just cut them down to size myself. My use of a miter saw extends that far:



To build the boxes, I cleaned Harbor Freight out of clamps:



I then had to determine how to mount the crossover, and played with various positions including some not pictured like underneath the ports:





After talking with others on the various threads, including Matt the designer, I settled on this orientation as it kept the inductor away from the 15" woofer magnet:



To mount the crossover I found #8 x 1/4" and 1" spacers at McLendon Hardware in Renton. The height difference in the crossbraces is 3/4", so 1/4" spacer and some holes and 1" on others was perfect.

Before gluing the baffle in place, I wired the crossovers using a 4-pole Speakon mounted on the top of the cabinet to connect to the tweeter/mid and just 2 banana sockets for connection to the amplifier:




Here's the connection to the tweeter/mid:


And the completed product, complete with patching the insulation sandwich on the screen wall were my alcoves/recess to wall mount the PSA had been:




Note that to clear the bottom crossbrace of my screen frame, I placed the top section on top of a 4" piece of wood. I don't notice anything odd with the sound, but I may move the frame forward an inch or two so that the boxes can clear the framing and then raise the boxes so that the top section sit directly on top.
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Second row seating

For our second row of seating we are reusing our original main seating. This was originally purchased in 2006 when we lived in another house, where the theater was in a 13'x13' space. To fit the available space, where it had to sit against the rear wall, we bought a slightly curved row of four, with a love seat in the middle. These are Berkline 075:



In the "new" home (we moved in 2009) we have a 12x19 space and need an aisle to access the seating and so could only fit 3 of these, which we organized as a seat and love seat. The new seating for the front row (see first page) fits 4 fine, but for the back row we had to organize the seating as a sofa:



With the arms attached to the side chairs, those remain solid when getting in and out but the middle seat has a tendency to tip. I found predrilled angle at Lowes with the correct spacing to fit the Berkline frames and bolt spacing, and so fed the Berkline feet through the angle iron to bolt the center seat to the right seat:




Eventually we may recover the chairs as they are still in great shape (real leather, made in the Tennessee factory), but for now we actually kind of like the contrasting look in the seats and being in the back row they don't catch the eye during movie time. Maybe I'm losing some contrast ratio in the room, but that's not an issue till the walls are finished.
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Thanks for the updates, lots of great info. FYI the subwoofer build post has a bunch of broken image links . Thanks again for taking the time on the updates!
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Thanks for the updates, lots of great info. FYI the subwoofer build post has a bunch of broken image links . Thanks again for taking the time on the updates!
Thanks for the note on the links. I'm not sure how they got deleted, but I'll fix them tonight.
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Thanks for the updates, lots of great info. FYI the subwoofer build post has a bunch of broken image links . Thanks again for taking the time on the updates!
OMG that took three goes to fix. I fixed them all up in Edge, saved, still broken. Did the same in Chrome, still broken. I finally uploaded 3 at a time, and now it worked.
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Wow! That's quite an upgrade for your little room.
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Wow! That's quite an upgrade for your little room.
Thanks David! I remember following your thread - it was a nice reminisce to go back and reread parts of it just now.

I was worried the Titan's would be overkill, but the sound is just sublime. It's a continuous soundstage across the front now, no hollow gaps between the speakers, and the apparent height of the sound they throw is so much taller than their location. However, to get the number of subs you have in your space I would need to go in wall
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Equipment and media area

Back when I was still in the information gathering stage, April 2016, I went ahead and bought the rack I wanted to use. This is a Middle Atlantic Essex RCS-4224:



I had ordered the rack, and a whole bunch of accessories, from customavrack.com on a Thursday afternoon and didn't expect to receive it for a couple of weeks. The following Monday I received an email with the tracking info from Oakharbor Freight, went to their website, and they had tried to deliver earlier that day! Less than two working days from SoCal. It then sat in my garage for 6 months till the room was ready to receive it.

Although I don't really need all that rack space at the moment, I'd rather plan for the future and not rebuild again. However, although I knew I would remove a folding door I also knew I'd have to pull both out and raise the header by 4" to get the rack in:



We didn't want to have mismatched doors, or replace the entrance or bathroom doors, and thankfully Jeldwen still sold the same model (the house was built in 2006, and the model name was still visible on the top of the door where the painters didn't spray) and in the desired height. I had to order from Home Depot, and it took 3 weeks to come in. I still need to caulk and paint, but here it is installed:



Previously I had 4 Ikea Billy CD racks for movie storage beside the closet, and these remain now. Extending the "rear" wall of the theater allowed me to embed 3 more in that wall:



The wood artwork from The Craft I found at a cafe in Portland, Or in 2015 and is called "We are the wierdos, Mister". The Craft has a special place in my heart as it is where I discovered Heather Nova (singing a cover of Peter Gabriel's I Have the Touch during the closing credits), whose music since has been a huge part of my life for the past 20+ years. When she played Seattle last year, I got to chat with her and we talked about that session among other things.

Every speaker in my room, and the projector is fed with conduit that runs from the equipment closet through a soffit in the equipment/media room, and then through soffits and the ceiling in the theater. For the front of the room and the projector, 2" is used and then 0.75" elsewhere. A single conduit is used for each pair of ceiling speakers, with two cables pulled through. The ceiling boxes holding the speakers are then connected with conduit and the second wire is then pulled through one box to the other:



Just this past weekend I was so thankful for conduit, as in addition to the Monoprice Cabernet HDMI cables that were already run I had need to pull a RuiPro fiber optical HDMI cable.
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I got pulled in by your post in the "What I would Do Differently" thread. Great remodel. There is an ending to this story, correct? I would love to see the "final" photos.
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I got pulled in by your post in the "What I would Do Differently" thread. Great remodel. There is an ending to this story, correct? I would love to see the "final" photos.
Unfortunately not yet. Between work, kids and making the common mistake of hanging the screen, finishing has ground to a halt. I have had all the insulation and foil for the acoustic plan since December '16 and all the fabric since last July. Unfortunately, I can't use my miter or table saw once the kids are in bed, and the weekend is mostly family time. We do all get to the enjoy the room in its current state though.
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Unfortunately not yet. <snip> We do all get to the enjoy the room in its current state though.
Well, I am subbed now so I won't miss anything. I am glad you and the family are getting some enjoyment from the room.
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Any updates? I have a similar size theater, so I am really anxious to see how it turns out. Looks great so far!

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Back when I was still in the information gathering stage, April 2016, I went ahead and bought the rack I wanted to use. This is a Middle Atlantic Essex RCS-4224:



I had ordered the rack, and a whole bunch of accessories, from customavrack.com on a Thursday afternoon and didn't expect to receive it for a couple of weeks. The following Monday I received an email with the tracking info from Oakharbor Freight, went to their website, and they had tried to deliver earlier that day! Less than two working days from SoCal. It then sat in my garage for 6 months till the room was ready to receive it.

Although I don't really need all that rack space at the moment, I'd rather plan for the future and not rebuild again. However, although I knew I would remove a folding door I also knew I'd have to pull both out and raise the header by 4" to get the rack in:



We didn't want to have mismatched doors, or replace the entrance or bathroom doors, and thankfully Jeldwen still sold the same model (the house was built in 2006, and the model name was still visible on the top of the door where the painters didn't spray) and in the desired height. I had to order from Home Depot, and it took 3 weeks to come in. I still need to caulk and paint, but here it is installed:



Previously I had 4 Ikea Billy CD racks for movie storage beside the closet, and these remain now. Extending the "rear" wall of the theater allowed me to embed 3 more in that wall:



The wood artwork from The Craft I found at a cafe in Portland, Or in 2015 and is called "We are the wierdos, Mister". The Craft has a special place in my heart as it is where I discovered Heather Nova (singing a cover of Peter Gabriel's I Have the Touch during the closing credits), whose music since has been a huge part of my life for the past 20+ years. When she played Seattle last year, I got to chat with her and we talked about that session among other things.

Every speaker in my room, and the projector is fed with conduit that runs from the equipment closet through a soffit in the equipment/media room, and then through soffits and the ceiling in the theater. For the front of the room and the projector, 2" is used and then 0.75" elsewhere. A single conduit is used for each pair of ceiling speakers, with two cables pulled through. The ceiling boxes holding the speakers are then connected with conduit and the second wire is then pulled through one box to the other:



Just this past weekend I was so thankful for conduit, as in addition to the Monoprice Cabernet HDMI cables that were already run I had need to pull a RuiPro fiber optical HDMI cable.
Wow...I missed The Craft wall plaque first time around on your thread. I think I saw that movie over twelve times( not over exaggerating) at the theater when it came out ( Fairuza Balk fan) AND purchased both soundtracks to this movie...( Graeme Revell had one for it) Yes lets see the finished theater pics. Nice work!

Thee Rock n' Roll Theatre-coming soon.
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Any updates? I have a similar size theater, so I am really anxious to see how it turns out. Looks great so far
Thanks Darren! Unfortunately, no updates to report. The kids wanting to do things, other than help me feed wood through the table saw, have really cramped my ability to get anything done!
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Thanks Darren! Unfortunately, no updates to report. The kids wanting to do things, other than help me feed wood through the table saw, have really cramped my ability to get anything done!
Glad to hear you'r still around! I can really relate to the kids wanting things. I am redoing my theatre, and I started when the kids and wife were gone. Got 14 hours of work done while they were away over the weekend. They come back and I've managed to squeak in 45 minutes over the past 4 days!

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Ps: How big is your garage that you need to have the garage doors numbered?

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Hah! That was the previous owner, though we've been in for nine years now and I've not removed it. Just two doors, and there is a piece of blue tape on the corresponding button. The builders wired the buttons in the wrong order than what seems natural, and I guess the previous owner thought the same and came up with this solution without having to replace the buried wire (which is too short to swap buttons).
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Hah! That was the previous owner, though we've been in for nine years now and I've not removed it. Just two doors, and there is a piece of blue tape on the corresponding button. The builders wired the buttons in the wrong order than what seems natural, and I guess the previous owner thought the same and came up with this solution without having to replace the buried wire (which is too short to swap buttons).
That makes sense. I pictured a huge mansion with a 12 car garage, and having to remember which door went with which button eg. I would hate to have to push the wrong button when I wanted the Lamborghini from garage bay 8 and I pushed it for the McLaren in garage bay 6.

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That makes sense. I pictured a huge mansion with a 12 car garage, and having to remember which door went with which button eg. I would hate to have to push the wrong button when I wanted the Lamborghini from garage bay 8 and I pushed it for the McLaren in garage bay 6.

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Or it could have been a pick-me-up for the previous owner before driving out to face the day
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Any updates on this? It is a very interesting build for sure! How do you like those DIY speakers compared to the PSA?
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Under soffit covers

I finally do have some updates! Preordering a new projector, and deciding to switch my screen material (to Dream Screen / Screen Acoustics / AVS v6) lit a bit of a fir under me to get this room finished. Of course work and family still fill most of my time, but while the kids are playing Roblox I can get down to the garage

I've started with building the covers for the undersides of the soffits. After these are in place, the insulation and fabric frames can then go on the walls.

The soffit frames need to be a total of 3/4" inch deep, and to make things simple I just bought 1x2x6' lengths of hemlock at Lowes. The 1" dimension actually measures out at 5/8" and so wrapped in GoM FR701 comes out at 3/4". The construction is simple, with just 6 pocket hole screws (using the small Kreg R3 jig), stapling using the Porter Cable upholstery stapler that BiG recommends, and then brad nailing to the soffit:







To complete this part of the project, I now need to build and cover the vent boxes for the HVAC - you can just see the pipe in the top right cover - and I can them move on to the walls!
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Drinks and remote table

Back in January we trawled Wayfair, Amazon and local stores for a table to hold drinks. It had to be the right height for legs to get under while reclined, but not too tall as it would look or to use it would be awkward. The Deco 79 Metal Glass Accent Table turned out to be a great fit, and the movie reel design fits the room perfectly.



The underside is open, and so the charging cable for the Harmony remote cradle neatly velcros underneath.
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I forgot to mention, that although the lengths of hemlock already had a slight non-square corner I did add a 1/8" round over (on 3 sides of each stick) using the router table to make it easier to pull the fabric while stapling. My wife and kids got me a router table for my birthday last year, which really made this quick:



Before cutting the framing to length I decided to finally replace the blade on my miter saw. I bought the saw 8+ years ago from a guy on Craigslist (seemed legit, he had a nice house not a parking lot deal), and I'd never replaced the very used Freud blade it came with. However, I just couldn't get enough pressure on the button that stops the blade from turning while undoing the blade nut (even after a few hours of WD40). The blade would turn and pop to the next position. Fortunately a clamp came to the rescue, and hitting the blade wrench with a hammer finally got the nut to turn without turning the blade!

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Great setup. Unless I missed it somewhere, did you talk about the Ci200QL in wall speakers for surrounds? If not, how are they? Did you put any backer boxes or insulation behind them?
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Great setup. Unless I missed it somewhere, did you talk about the Ci200QL in wall speakers for surrounds? If not, how are they? Did you put any backer boxes or insulation behind them?
Since I'm not building for isolation, I didn't build boxes. The two side walls are both 8" deep and already insulated, and I added insulation on the (interior) back wall. My thought was that since I'll be doing insulation on the walls + fabric frames, I could always cut the drywall and build boxes (or equivalent with blocking to make a smaller acoustic volume than the 9'x14"x8" currently) if I need to. Thankfully I haven't found that to be necessary so far. Maybe things will change as I implement the Quest acoustic plan for the room.

When I first installed the speakers, I wired them as L/R to test them and then play music as I worked on the screen wall. I was really impressed with how they sounded installed - I've had several Kef box speakers before, but these I bought blind as derivatives of the THX versions many on here are using in-ceiling. No regrets, and they blend very well with my DIYSG fronts.
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@dlinsley - The remodel came together very well. I like the new layout. Especially since you put the gear rack into a location that you can turn around and still see the screen. To me, that's very important to be able to do when calibrating, and setting everything up. Well done on that part of the plan.

Another thing I really appreciate, and I am sure others do as well, you had a floor plan layout before you began the endeavor, and it looks as if you updated as you went along. I can't stress it enough how important just having a simple drawing put together can help so much during the build effort, if anything, to make sure what you were thinking was going to work when it comes time. Again, good job.!



I enjoyed going through your build effort and seeing in come together. Well done, and I hope you and the fambam get to enjoy your efforts. Looks like you have some content there to re-watch with the new setup.!

ps.. looks like the garage could use some TLC
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I enjoyed going through your build effort and seeing in come together. Well done, and I hope you and the fambam get to enjoy your efforts. Looks like you have some content there to re-watch with the new setup.!
Thank you for the kind words. The family do love to watch in the room as it currently stands, which helped prolong the procrastination.

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One thing at a time But yes, it's on my list. I have a bunch of GIK products to shift, and a lot of tidying to, but I'm trying to keep to my resolve to "finish" before switching to another task. If I do, it will have been another first time for everything moment!
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